sure it was. Not surprised by your reaction, though. Entirely predictable.
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sure it was. Not surprised by your reaction, though. Entirely predictable.
No it's not because they have many restrictions that go along with it. A stupid reply without fact or merit.
Masks were required at museums. What the hell are you talking about.
Once again, predictable. Always easy to predict poor behavior. Not a surprise.
Once again you think you are smarter and more clever than everyone. And once again you just repeat the same line over and over again.
Than everyone? No. Than you? Of course. And I will repeat the truth as often as I like. Time to move on, though. Get the thread back on track.
You nexts mention of the complete truth will be your first. You think you are smarter but your not. Nobody is buying into half truths and agenda because we are all smarter than you.
Anyone taking these supplements like this article suggests? Article is 6 months old but seems to be a logical way to give your body help against the virus.
I've been doing 1000-2000mg of Vitamin C and also Vitamin B Complex for a few years. I've noticed a significant reduction in colds over the last few years. I've just added the other supplements recommended for prophylaxis in this article
www.uspharmacist.com
I've been doing 1000-2000mg of Vitamin C and also Vitamin B Complex for a few years. I've noticed a significant reduction in colds over the last few years. I've just added the other supplements recommended for prophylaxis in this article
Common Supplements Might Reduce COVID Severity
I recall Ann Coulter saying that she was often sick after doing a lot of travel on airplanes. She started to wear masks and stopped getting sick (this was all before the pandemic). To me its kinda crazy people don't think masks work at all, but then again the "experts" were telling everyone last spring that masks not only didn't work but were "dangerous" due to post exposure handling. When people figured out on their own to wear masks, they were wearing junk like neck gaiters. The N-95 mask are night and day compared to those cloth things (which might be better than nothing I suppose). A good part of the mask rebellion is also traced to the excessively heavy handed manner some pols use. Some clearly see an opportunity with the pandemic and its in process of being used to advance apocalyptic weather scenarios and radical economic and social regulations.
On another note while I am posting
Tel Aviv research: 99.9% of COVID-19 virus dead in 30 seconds with UV LEDs
TAU research: 99.9% of COVID-19 virus dead in 30 seconds with UV LEDs
The study is the first of its kind in the world.
www.jpost.com
Anyone taking these supplements like this article suggests? Article is 6 months old but seems to be a logical way to give your body help against the virus.
I've been doing 1000-2000mg of Vitamin C and also Vitamin B Complex for a few years. I've noticed a significant reduction in colds over the last few years. I've just added the other supplements recommended for prophylaxis in this article
Common Supplements Might Reduce COVID Severity
I took some of those since they've been often recommended. I also think probiotics are important, and I like the ide of trying Elderberry if I got sick (and its more for use when actually ill than as a prophylactic)
Elderberry, COVID-19 and Cytokine Storm: Sorting Through The Science, Confusion And Fear — Wild Lilac Wellness
Let’s face it – we are all on high-alert. Since the announcement of the global Coronavirus pandemic and the declaration of a national state of emergency, we are all wondering what to do, how to protect ourselves and our families, and what to do if we get sick. As a physician and an integrative he
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I started out thinking, ok I agree with Ashokan and then I continued to read the nonsense. Experts were not telling people masks don’t work and certainly weren’t telling people they were dangerous. Not sure what crazy ass shirt you are reading or listening to. Masks were not promoted early on because health care workers didn’t have enough masks. Fauci et al were saying not to buy masks so healthcare workers would have masks. Why would they want healthcare workers to have masks? Because as you say, they work! Of course real masks. As you point out neck gaiters are pointless and actually spread the virus more. I’m sure the neck gaiter crowd is filled with people doing it because they have to but don’t believe it actually does anything like a number of posters on this board. Glad, at least, you agree that’s nonsense. Your last sentence is pure insanity.I recall Ann Coulter saying that she was often sick after doing a lot of travel on airplanes. She started to wear masks and stopped getting sick (this was all before the pandemic). To me its kinda crazy people don't think masks work at all, but then again the "experts" were telling everyone last spring that masks not only didn't work but were "dangerous" due to post exposure handling. When people figured out on their own to wear masks, they were wearing junk like neck gaiters. The N-95 mask are night and day compared to those cloth things (which might be better than nothing I suppose). A good part of the mask rebellion is also traced to the excessively heavy handed manner some pols use. Some clearly see an opportunity with the pandemic and its in process of being used to advance apocalyptic weather scenarios and radical economic and social regulations.
On another note while I am posting
Tel Aviv research: 99.9% of COVID-19 virus dead in 30 seconds with UV LEDs
TAU research: 99.9% of COVID-19 virus dead in 30 seconds with UV LEDs
The study is the first of its kind in the world.
It’s been 9 days since he’s tested positive and 4 since he’s been in the hospital. He has pneumonia but apparently reacting positively to antibiotics. Does not need oxygen assistance at this point which is good. He is confused which is a less well known but concerning symptom. He seems to be marginally better from that perspective as well. He never received remdesivir which is questionable in my view but the call of the infectious disease doctor. Will see about tomorrow. Thx for asking.
Oops yeah actually they were:
"US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams not only wants people to stop buying facemasks to prevent the novel coronavirus, but warns that you actually might increase your risk of infection if facemasks are not worn properly.
"You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider," Adams said during an interview on Fox & Friends on Monday morning. "Folks who don't know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus," Adams said."
Masks may actually increase your coronavirus risk if worn improperly, surgeon general warns
Masks may actually increase your coronavirus risk if worn improperly, surgeon general warns | CNN
The US surgeon general not only wants people to stop buying facemasks to prevent coronavirus, but warns that you actually might increase your risk of infection if facemasks are not worn properly.
Fauci on 60 Minutes:
"When it comes to preventing coronavirus, public health officials have been clear: Healthy people do not need to wear a face mask to protect themselves from COVID-19...
" There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes.
While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands. "
March 2020: Dr. Anthony Fauci talks with Dr Jon LaPook about COVID-19
In March, Fauci told 60 Minutes that masks should largely be reserved for healthcare providers. In April, the recommendations were broadened to include simple masks for the general public.
www.cbsnews.com
From your article. Please stop with the nonsense.
It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it," Fauci said.
Who needs to wear a face mask?
Update: On Friday, April 3, President Trump announced that the CDC now recommends Americans wear a "basic cloth or fabric mask" in public. The following was published on March 8.
It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it," Fauci said.
Who needs to wear a face mask?
Update: On Friday, April 3, President Trump announced that the CDC now recommends Americans wear a "basic cloth or fabric mask" in public. The following was published on March 8.
Oops yeah actually they were:
"US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams not only wants people to stop buying facemasks to prevent the novel coronavirus, but warns that you actually might increase your risk of infection if facemasks are not worn properly.
"You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider," Adams said during an interview on Fox & Friends on Monday morning. "Folks who don't know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus," Adams said."
Masks may actually increase your coronavirus risk if worn improperly, surgeon general warns
Masks may actually increase your coronavirus risk if worn improperly, surgeon general warns | CNN
The US surgeon general not only wants people to stop buying facemasks to prevent coronavirus, but warns that you actually might increase your risk of infection if facemasks are not worn properly.www.cnn.com
Fauci on 60 Minutes:
"When it comes to preventing coronavirus, public health officials have been clear: Healthy people do not need to wear a face mask to protect themselves from COVID-19...
" There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes.
While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands. "
March 2020: Dr. Anthony Fauci talks with Dr Jon LaPook about COVID-19
In March, Fauci told 60 Minutes that masks should largely be reserved for healthcare providers. In April, the recommendations were broadened to include simple masks for the general public.
I remember that very clearly
It was crazy. It was totally obvious the "experts" had no clue what they were doing.
Nurses and prison guards were being fired for wearing masks because their bosses said CDC advised against masks, and that wearing masks scared other people and made them feel stigmatized.
Few federal and state agencies are staffed with the sharp people. I knew the CDC sucked a long time ago when it took them over a decade to begin to figure out Lyme
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You're struggling to maintain denial. Yes they also had the excuse of the need to preserve PPE for workers (who would need them less if population wore masks) but they still said masks "didn't work" and that they were "dangerous" because of face touching. I saw them on TV over and over saying this. All the news outlet MDs were spinning the line. You probably can work at the CDC
Well, masks didn't work in 1918.
They actually contributed to more deaths via bacterial infections.
I've read that but since many "experts" cant figure anything out in in present time I dont assume they know about 100 years ago. I know they were using cloth surgical type masks and that living conditions and public health weren't as they are today. Many people didn't have indoor plumbing and immigrants were packed in squalor. Even today its the immigrant populations with highest rates of infection. After WW I Soldiers in camps were toxic.
In 1918 it was also the reverse of today in that it was the young people dying. Their strong immune systems killed them with cytokine storms. One positive thing medical people realized. was that patients did better outdoors and they move them there when they could. In the article I linked above the potent effect of UV light was noted. Trump was laughed at for saying that even though there are devices being made to expose lung tissue etc to the light. The whole situation is a carnival of failed experts (and they were killers slandering hydroxychloroquine when it was saving people all over the world - like India)
I've been predicting we'd see about 1/3 to 1/2 the hospitalizations we saw in spring in NJ and we've been seeing about 1/2 the death rate per hospitalization this past summer, due to improvements in medical procedures and treatments (and not having hospitals generally overwhelmed like they were heare in the spring), which would mean 1/4-1/6 the deaths in NJ vs. spring (at their peaks). The 7-day avg back in April was around 300/day, so that would translate to 50-75 per day if I'm correct. NY would likely see similar numbers as NJ, relatively speaking (i.e., 1/4-1/6 the death rates vs. spring).
Edit - forgot to include the updated graphic showing what I said for NJ with regard to spring vs. now.
The latest IHME (U of Washington) model forecast is pretty bleak, predicting 440K US deaths by the end of February, which includes 383K by the end of January and 318K by the end of the year, from our starting point of about 240K now. The model run shows an acceleration in deaths from the current rate of 1000-1500 deaths per day to about 2000-2200 deaths per day from December through February, given the huge current rise in cases ongoing, which has 2-4 week lag before deaths start climbing quickly.
This should not be a surprise to anyone who has read what most of the experts have been talking about with regard to cases rising this fall as people went back to school/universities, as well as the return of colder weather driving people back indoors much more, leading to more infections, which is part of what sends flu cases up every year. The model run also shows a "best case" of 370K deaths by the end of February, if we see far more masking/distancing than we're seeing now, and a worst case of 586K deaths if there is a significant decline in vigilance by the public.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend
While things are certainly bleak, I think the death estimates are a bit overestimated, as I believe that the new antibody treatments will start to make a difference in December, as they get emergency approvals, plus I think vaccines will start to make a difference by late January, given expected rollout in early December, at least for health care/front line workers, who are most at risk - I think most of these people should have immunity by mid-January, reducing deaths significantly.
I'd guess more like 400K deaths by the end of February (vs. 440K), although either number is horrible and largely a function of us not really having great interventions in place, with masking/distancing nowhere near universal and mediocre testing, tracing and isolating efforts. For what it's worth, back in early September, IHME was predicting 410K deaths by the end of the year, while I was predicting 310K deaths, given expected improvements in procedures/treatments and accounting for people already infected (see the linked post, below) - and we're very likely to have about 310-315K deaths by the end of the year. Let's hope I'm right on my new prediction (vs. IHME's higher numbers).
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...es-interventions-and-more.198855/post-4686684
The other somewhat good news for this area is that deaths in NY/NJ are not expected to rise nearly as much as the rest of the country. NY is projected to rise from about 34K current deaths to 45.5K, a ~34% increase vs. the US's ~85% increase from now through Feb and NJ is expected to rise from about 16.5K to 20.1K by the end of Feb, a 22% increase. Keep in mind, however, that some of lower expected increase is because our deaths are much higher per capita than elsewhere to date, given how early we were hit before we had testing or any plans to control the virus - everywhere else is playing catch-up, unfortunately.
IHME Death Projections (and mine):
Well, we hit a pretty depressing milestone this weekend with 0.1% of the US population now having died from COVID this year (~330K deaths and that's a lowball estimate given excess deaths are in the 400K range). Thought I'd revisit my posts from a few weeks ago on NJ/NY/National data and do a little prognosticating on where we're headed, including an update of the latest IHME projections.
- The latest IHME projections predict 459K by the end of January (that's ~4000/day for Jan), 527K by the end of February (that's ~2500/day for Feb), and 566K deaths by the end of March (that's ~1300/day for Mar). In mid-Nov, they were predicting 440K by the end of Feb and 383K by the end of Jan, so they've gone up quite a bit, mostly responding to the death rate spikes we've been seeing since Thanksgiving and anticipating another spike post-Christmas.
- I was projecting even lower back in mid-Nov - 400K by the end of Feb - that will almost certainly be exceeded, but I still think they're predicting too high with their latest projections, as I don't think they're accounting enough for the vaccine rollout to LTC facilties, which will hopefully be done in 2 weeks. Close to 40% of COVID deaths have been in LTC facilities and these should be way down by late January. Note that my predictions were much more accurate in the summer and fall than IHME.
- I'm guesstimating more like 425K by the end of Jan (~2800/day for Jan), 475K by the end of Feb (~1800/day for Feb) and 500K by the end of March, (~800/day for Mar), when I think we'll have vaccinated 100MM Americans (38% of eligible adults, plus we'll likely have >30% having been infected/immune, although there's some overlap in those sets of people), which is why my estimate really drops for March.
- If we hit targets of 50% of eligible adults vaccinated by the end of April, deaths should continue to plummet, hopefully to below 100-200 per day, with cases/hospitalizations also obviously way down and I think that's when we're going to start seeing a lot of things reopening (probably first to people who have proof of vaccination).
- Their estimates and mine are both horrible outcomes, with mine being at least preferable to theirs.
- IHME predicts 25K deaths in NJ by the end of March (18.6k deaths now) and predicts 51.5K deaths in NY by the end of March (29.5K deaths now). I think the NJ number is realistic, but the NY is too high (it's much more than NJ's on a % basis from now through March and I don't see why that would be).
Cases/Hospitalizations/Deaths in NJ (and NY)
Let's talk a bit about NJ/NY (and maybe a few other states). The important thing to notice for NJ/NY vs. the US, and other states is the outbreaks here are about half as severe as they were in the Spring (based on hospitalizations) and are far less severe than the oubreaks in most of the rest of the US now. And one critical key to looking at NJ/NY now vs. the Spring is recognizing that testing rates were so low that our case rates were hugely underestimated, which is why I almost exclusively talk about hospitalization rates as the best indicator of the extent of the outbreak, as they're "real" (assuming people aren't going to hospitals more or less than they were in the spring, which is unlikely) and not dependent on testing rates and directly linked to death rates, whereas cases are not.
- Looking at hospitalizations in NJ, they peaked at about 900/1MM (per capita is much better for comparing states) in the spring, which is a little more than 2X the 400/1MM total we're peaking at now, implying that cases now are a little less than half what they were in the Spring, despite the case numbers now looking higher.
- I've been saying for months that we likely had 2-4X the number of cases (positive cases by the viral PCR assay) back in Spring than we actually reported. Let's say that's about 1200 cases/day per 1MM (vs. the 400 cases/day per 1MM reported back then at the peak - that's a little more than 2X the current case rate, which has peaked around 550 cases/day per 1MM; see the graphic below and this aligns well with the relative hospitalization rate data.
- Also, as I've been saying since summer, deaths per hospitalization have dropped by at least 50%, due to improved medical procedures and treatments, so if our hospitalizations have peaked around half of what we saw in the spring, we should expect deaths to peak at about 1/4 of what we saw in the spring - and right now they're at about 1/5 what we saw in the spring and appear to be starting to peak. However, we may also get a bit of a post-Christmas bump in cases, hospitalizations and deaths, as noted above.
- Assuming these relationships hold, anyone saying the outbreaks in this area are as bad as they were in the spring, simply isn't looking at the data closely enough.
- All of the preceding applies to NY also (and the other NE US states hit much harder in the Spring), relatively speaking, as one can see the shapes of the curves over time are very similar, as well as the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per capita (per 1MM).
Also, IMO, there's no better "proof" that masks work (to some extent, not perfectly) than the NJ/NY data. We weren't masking much at all in the Spring, at least until early April when masking guidances came out, and had zero masking in Feb and most of March when cases were rising exponentially. Since then masking is at least mostly being practiced, at least in public indoor spaces, but not private ones (especially during the holidays).
- NJ/NY having half the case and hospitalization rates vs. Spring is a huge improvement and I'm hard pressed to think of other reasons for this than masking (the number of infected people being greater now is likely a small factor).
- Compare that to states like the Dakotas (included SD below; others look similar) that have little masking requirements in place and poor masking compliance, which recently had peak case rates about 2-3X the case rates we have now (per capita) and are even higher than our estimated spring case rates, plus SD and nearby states participated in the biggest superspreader event ever - Sturgis.
- 80-90% of the deaths in ND/SD and several other nearby states have come since Sturgis in August, while only about 15% of deaths in NJ/NY have come since August. Back in August, SD/ND had <200 deaths/1MM (vs. over 1500 deaths/1MM in NJ/NY) and now they're closing in on NJ/NY.
- Also, if NJ/NY had any idea what was hitting them in the Spring and if we had been masking back in the spring to the extent we are now, we would likely have about half the deaths per capita we have now and would be in the middle of the pack in the US.
- One other observation: while California is certainly peaking higher than Florida or Texas, keep in mind that CA's per capita death rate is less than 2/3 that of FL/TX (CA's is 614/1MM, TX's is 938/1MM and FL's is 988/1MM; Arizona is at 1158/1MM - added them as I was comparing all 4 states in the summer) and while CA will likely catch up a bit, it's unlikely to catch them and if it doesn't masking will likely be a factor, as none of these states was hit hard in the Spring and they're all generally warm, but had very different masking guidances.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
I took some of those since they've been often recommended. I also think probiotics are important, and I like the ide of trying Elderberry if I got sick (and its more for use when actually ill than as a prophylactic)
Elderberry, COVID-19 and Cytokine Storm: Sorting Through The Science, Confusion And Fear — Wild Lilac Wellness
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Mom of one of the kids on my sons travel basketball team who is into holistics made us an Elderberry supplement. She told us when the pandemic started not to use it as it might worsen Covid effects. Some say that a Cytokine storm could be created.
You’re confused with poor logic skills.
I am not in denial. I also saw Fauci et al promoting PPE for healthcare workers and trying not to have the public buy what limited supply there was at the time. Saw it many times. There was also more limited data at the time on how the virus spreads. Once PPE was stockpiled and more info was understood the CDC and otherS promoted the use of masks. That was 9 months ago. Why you choose to believe in some nefarious plot by the healthcare system is beyond me. The used an “excuse”, why would they need an excuse? Whats the purpose? You then say healthcare workers wouldnt need PPE if the population had it instead. That’s a pretty funny view. So, we should let the healthcare workers get sick and die during the first wave? Would that have been your policy? Give PPE to general pop vs. healthcare? Please share the brilliant thinking on that one.
what is the point of you and others trying to undermine everything coming out of the science community while simultaneously felating anything uttered by trump et al including the use of UV? Masks don’t work. Fauci is a liar etc etc. what would you like to see happen? Please share your detailed plan. Is it masks for general pop and none for healthcare worker? Will you use your UV to protect the healthcare workers? Please share how everything we are doing is dumb and your plan.
Here is one of the reasons people don't have faith in government officials when it comes to this pandemic.
So I've been listening to Fauci give his numbers for what it would take to get to herd immunity with the vaccine. I know he was saying 70% going back when news of the vaccine being almost ready came out. And I've seen him several times since then and his numbers have steadily risen. Now I've seen him say as high as 90% and there have been numbers in between.
So by now I've heard him say several different estimates. And he tries to explain this vacillation between numbers as either we're not really sure what the number is or the American public isn't really ready to hear what the actual number is.
By now, for me, I've heard him vacillate with masks. I hear him vacillate with herd immunity. Either the man isn't sure what he is talking about or he is a straight up liar. Either way to me, he lacks any credibility. How am I to know whether he is lying or telling the truth about anything at this point? How is he any different than the leader of the country who was trying to spare us of the real threat of this virus at the start?
And to make matters more confusing to me, he stated his team helped develop one of the vaccines. So how much does he personally have to gain with this pandemic? What kind of conflicts of interest are there with him?
At this point, I don't believe a word he has to say. And I know I'm not alone. And I'm not attached to either political party so this isn't political to me.
Here is an article from yahoo about his different guesstimates with herd immunity.
https://news.yahoo.com/dr-fauci-says-90-population-170459187.html
So I've been listening to Fauci give his numbers for what it would take to get to herd immunity with the vaccine. I know he was saying 70% going back when news of the vaccine being almost ready came out. And I've seen him several times since then and his numbers have steadily risen. Now I've seen him say as high as 90% and there have been numbers in between.
So by now I've heard him say several different estimates. And he tries to explain this vacillation between numbers as either we're not really sure what the number is or the American public isn't really ready to hear what the actual number is.
By now, for me, I've heard him vacillate with masks. I hear him vacillate with herd immunity. Either the man isn't sure what he is talking about or he is a straight up liar. Either way to me, he lacks any credibility. How am I to know whether he is lying or telling the truth about anything at this point? How is he any different than the leader of the country who was trying to spare us of the real threat of this virus at the start?
And to make matters more confusing to me, he stated his team helped develop one of the vaccines. So how much does he personally have to gain with this pandemic? What kind of conflicts of interest are there with him?
At this point, I don't believe a word he has to say. And I know I'm not alone. And I'm not attached to either political party so this isn't political to me.
Here is an article from yahoo about his different guesstimates with herd immunity.
https://news.yahoo.com/dr-fauci-says-90-population-170459187.html
After reading your post, I decided to read a little more about Fauci.
Anthony Fauci - Wikipedia
He makes 400k in his current position, one he’s held for decades. How much do you think he’s worth in private industry? I would venture millions. So if he was in it for the money, he’s not being very smart.
the NIH is involved in the creation of many drugs. They fund a lot of R&D, government funding that a lot of private corps and universities including Rutgers benefits from and are part of the engine that drives US research.
I have read and listened to his comments from the beginning. I see someone trying to navigate a NOVEL virus along with competing demands of a healthcare system and an economic system along with managing the “politics” in this environment.
again, he could make millions tomorrow if he chose to.
I used to get at least one long duration cold per year, I'd say more often then not I would get a second one. About 4-5 years ago I started taking vitamin C in the cold season months, and would go heavy at the first sign of symptoms, I legit haven't had a cold that lasted longer then a couple day since.Anyone taking these supplements like this article suggests? Article is 6 months old but seems to be a logical way to give your body help against the virus.
I've been doing 1000-2000mg of Vitamin C and also Vitamin B Complex for a few years. I've noticed a significant reduction in colds over the last few years. I've just added the other supplements recommended for prophylaxis in this article
Common Supplements Might Reduce COVID Severity
Big advocate of vitamin C.
I'll take B vitamins when eating when I have some sort of physical activity planned afterwards, I feel that works pretty well for energy and stamina.
As I note above I recently started taking vitamin D because after some routine blood work I was shown to be low there. Too early to notice any results here.
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I would add to the Bamlan post above hat anyone who knows a high risk person to come down with covid to personally advocate for them to get the treatment if you feel it’s in their best interest. My father was unable to nor was my mother. Wish I had gotten his GP on the phone.
After reading your post, I decided to read a little more about Fauci.
Anthony Fauci - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
He makes 400k in his current position, one he’s held for decades. How much do you think he’s worth in private industry? I would venture millions. So if he was in it for the money, he’s not being very smart.
the NIH is involved in the creation of many drugs. They fund a lot of R&D, government funding that a lot of private corps and universities including Rutgers benefits from and are part of the engine that drives US research.
I have read and listened to his comments from the beginning. I see someone trying to navigate a NOVEL virus along with competing demands of a healthcare system and an economic system along with managing the “politics” in this environment.
again, he could make millions tomorrow if he chose to.
Yea you're probably right that he could be making more money somewhere else. But I'm not sure where all of his money is coming from.
The main point I was trying to make is that these leaders who are always out in the general public's eyes have an obligation to tell the truth when they speak. If you are going to send messages that continually change, the public is just not going to trust you going forward. And that's what happened with this pandemic.
I'm not just talking about the crazy people on either side of the whole political debate. People just want our leaders to be up front. I could tell Trump was lying from the start. I knew he would be in political trouble because of it. Likewise, when the Surgeon General and Fauci were screaming about the public shouldn't be wearing masks, that came back to bite them in the ass. The excuse of this disease is new doesn't work.
They all lied to us. And now many in the public doesn't trust them. That's a huge problem going forward when you're trying to get people to take a vaccine and need anywhere from 70%-90% to reach herd immunity.
The P3 Novavax trial is finally starting in the US. Looks like that could get approved in the Spring if all goes well. Will know if it works in the next month or so since it’s already in P3 in the UK.
This reminds of when a big storm is predicted, and the forecasters say the snow will start at 8 am. But it starts snowing at noon, and for those 4 hours people get all up in arms about how the forecasters have no idea what they are talking about. Then it dumps a foot of snow.
Except we never get a foot of snow when they predict a foot of snow.
How can you possibly think Dr.Fauci is vacillating? You have numerous people on this board who have attempted to ridicule , castigate and even sensor others for doubting Sir Anthony and his statements and predictions. I really am not surprised at your thinking and yes there are millions of others who question the directives. Just look at the statistical data out of China by Province on cases vs deaths vs recoveries : 86k positive cases , 4.6k deaths, 82k+ recoveries... but it wasn’t a lab created virus.Don’t believe this line either: “ it’s their system where they can control and monitor.” Yet we still have those who bow down in worship to them.
Maybe. But you already have a distrustful public and you're asking them to take a vaccine that was developed in record time. I think it's naive to think these things don't play a part in the success of getting enough people vaccinated. We will see how this all plays out.
I for one have no problem taking the vaccine. I've looked at enough info to feel comfortable. But there are many who are very leery of the government. Lying doesn't help.
Great to hear he’s getting at least a bit better.. Hope his progress improves.
They predicted 3-8 for my area in this last storm, starting off as snow and then switching to rain. It followed that pattern and we got 5 inches.
I was in the catskills at the time of the storm, they were predicting 18+ inches. They got 20 inches.
They nailed this last one, but some will look to ignore it.
Changing ones predictions of the future due to changing information is not lying.
Also note that Fauci has made plenty of correct calls on this. Those correct calls far outweigh his misses. Some want to focus on the misses. Has he been 100% dead on? No, but no one ever is.
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