This is an EV car thread. Keep it clean!! Another poster got himself into hot water over such a post!!! 😜
OT: Electric vehicles
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A couple of questions. What range do you desire before making the jump?
My Maverick has a range of nominally 300-350 miles, before having to fill the tank. If it was an EV, it would be topped off every night when I plug it in. But 95-98% of my driving is daily driving to work, errands, etc.
Do you take a lot of long trips where longer range is important to you? Hypothetically, if gas prices went to $6/gallon and stayed there, would you be willing to compromise the range of a larger gas tank SUV (such as a Chevy Suburbran, which gets around 600 miles per tank)? To fill the tank, that would cost about $180. Would stopping to charge the vehicle every 300 miles be worth it to you save about $150?
Same. The internal combustion engine and all that it created is a remarkable thing that changed civilization.
But 0-60 in 3.5 with no GHG emissions is also pretty cool too. Once my solar is done and the EV is in the driveway, I’ll also have no exposure to crude prices, pipeline outages, GOM hurricanes, etc.
For an EV, over 500 and 600 would be better. For an ICE vehicle, I can live with shorter range because of the essentially mindless ease of refueling.
I have a very low tolerance for stopping during long road trips and only stop for bio breaks and fuel. I'll do very long drives that way, nibbling food while driving. The Ford Expedition Max and GMC Yukon XL have a range of ~600 miles. Towing would lower it, obviously, and one of my use-cases is towing a car to race tracks or to fun driving places (e.g. Tail of the Dragon). But either one (and a couple others) are great, for me, for long road trips, and the range is part of that greatness, especially if towing is involved.
So anyway, my initial thinking was wanting something to go 600 miles. Which ain't gonna be available in an EV SUV for a little while longer.
However, I have more recently been considering down-sizing for the next SUV and am seriously considering a Cayenne GTS (~500 if driven gently), GLS 450 (~500) or Macan GTS (~370) or Telluride (~441). All four are smaller and have less range than the behemoths I mentioned (the Macan's towing capacity is a potential issue, though).
But again, for me, range is more of a determinant with an EV purchase than for an ICE purchase. Fuel costs are a non-factor for me. I will happily eat the expense for the convenience.
What same argument? That spamming internet forums is obnoxious? That's not an argument; it's an opinion. One that is widely agreed upon across the internet. It's a bannable offense in virtually very forum I've participated in over the years.
You guys need to stop thinking that just because YOU like your car, that everybody wants to be spammed by marketing hyperbole for it. Write about how YOU feel about YOUR car and that's great; I'm all ears and love to hear about it. But that's not what he was doing at all.
For those in a panic about our energy needs going forward, decentralized energy could/should be the future of energy. Renewable energy, produced and stored locally, and energy arbitrage managed by AI. Lower cost and more reliable. Of course, we need a shit ton of battery storage, but this is a sustainable solution with less environmental impact.
https://electrek.co/2022/06/13/tesla-virtual-power-plant-demonstration-texas/
https://electrek.co/2022/06/13/tesla-virtual-power-plant-demonstration-texas/
Q1 2022 US EV registration data:
"According to Experian, electric vehicles topped 5% of U.S. new vehicle registrations in the first quarter, with California well in the lead"
https://www.greencarreports.com/new...2022-us-ev-buyers-are-getting-a-tesla-model-y
"According to Experian, electric vehicles topped 5% of U.S. new vehicle registrations in the first quarter, with California well in the lead"
https://www.greencarreports.com/new...2022-us-ev-buyers-are-getting-a-tesla-model-y
That's only for green cars. What about other colors? 🥸
NHTSA investigation into autopilot. While this article is predominately about Tesla, the systems of pretty much all self-driving cars is what is really under investigation. I’m 100% behind that. It’s just a very, very bad idea and will remain a very bad idea until V2V/I is implemented and has gone through several rounds of testing and fixes.
www.caranddriver.com
830,000 Teslas with Autopilot under NHTSA Investigation, Recall Possible
Tesla EVs dating back to 2014 are involved as the safety agency probes the way the driver-assistance software identifies potential incidents with stopped first responder vehicles.
I'm contemplating if it would be worth it to lease a Leaf for a couple years to save a ton of money until something I actually like is available. I can see the Leaf's battery specs being outdated in a few years and potentially hurting its resale value, so I'm not sure I'd want to buy one knowing that I only plan on having it for a short time.
$219/month on a 36 month lease with $4,064 down. Comes to $332/month.
I'd consider the Chevy Bolt and the Hyundai Kona too. List of lease costs here:
Electric Vehicle Lease Guide
Shortcuts to Dealers Listed: Acura – Audi – BMW – Cadillac – Chevrolet – Fiat – Ford – Genesis – GMC –...
electrek.co
I have a deposit in on both cybertruck and lightning. Got a call from Ford dealer Thurs night, said they are going down the list as they have some higher end lightnings that those lower on the list have declined to buy and I could. They lowest one they offered was the Lariat which he said starts at $67K. Too much. Really would like the base with the fed tax credit but afraid they will have sold too many and the credit will be gone when I finally get a chance.
Battery Startup Promises to Give a BMW iX 600 Miles of Range
Our Next Energy says its new battery chemistry could give the BMW iX more driving range than any EV on the market today.
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Fairies grant wishes. Take that, Tesla!!Battery Startup Promises to Give a BMW iX 600 Miles of Range
Our Next Energy says its new battery chemistry could give the BMW iX more driving range than any EV on the market today.
That’s really a BS move by that dealer. They just want to make more money by selling the more expensive model. What they should be doing is when your name comes up, you get to go in and order the model you want. Ford is not just producing models based on spec. This is the process that was explained to me by the Ford reps at the NYC auto show.
With the Leaf, you're getting less range and charging speed tops out at <100 kW (I think). Also, not nearly the performance of some of the other premium EVs on the market. However, for a daily driver, it's great. Plenty of satisfied Leaf customers as long as you know what you're getting.
As far as resale value... Have you considered what the resale value of a comparable ICE vehicle would be in a few years given the transition to EV has accelerated? I'm sure I'll be crucified for saying this, but you'd have to be a complete moron to be buying an ICE vehicle in 2025 and beyond. The demand for an affordable EV, even if it is slightly limited by range and performance will still be strong given where we're going. A used Leaf would be the perfect 1st car for a teen IMO.
Speaking of BMW, their new electric X1 is only Europe this year, super annoying.Battery Startup Promises to Give a BMW iX 600 Miles of Range
Our Next Energy says its new battery chemistry could give the BMW iX more driving range than any EV on the market today.
I would guess that, in ten years, 600 mile ranges will not be seen as remarkable at all. I’d think Tesla will be well into that range by then, along with everyone else.
OTOH, I’d also guess that, ten years out, self-driving cars will be have become prohibited in most, if not all, states. We’ll continue to see increasing driver assistance systems (blind spot monitoring, night vision assist, lane holding or changing assist, etc.). But the self-driving car with a human backup concept will be dead.
Don’t know why manufacturers do that sort of thing, but it is annoying. Presumably profit-driven.
It all depends on the ICE vehicle in question. While probably true for low-end sedans and cross-overs, higher-end ICE sports cars will be going up in value dramatically as manufacturers phase them out in favor of EVs.
It’s basically already been happening with 5 and 6 figure dealer markups over MSRP. Demand far outpaced supply even in the past and now that it’s the last chance to get some of these cars, the “bidding war” for them is out of control, both for new and used inventory.
No, that's not on the dealer. When we got to the later reservations, the lower-priced Lightnings were "sold out" and not available to order. Only could order the Lariat or the Platninum. Seems that is on Ford.
I think you're correct that it's on Ford.
So far as I am aware, all manufactures carefully plan how they will use their always limited manufacturing capacity in terms of which models and trim levels to build and the relative numbers to build. Presumably they all do it with greatest profitability in mind.
It only makes sense, from the manufacturer's perspectives, to sell those models and trim levels that result in the largest profitability. Their shareholders will insist upon it.
Ford issues stop-sale of electric Mustang Mach-E crossovers due to potential safety defect
Ford says the issue with the Mustang Mach-E crossovers could cause the vehicles to become immobile.
Was just going to post that. There will be hiccups with EVs.Ford issues stop-sale of electric Mustang Mach-E crossovers due to potential safety defect
Ford says the issue with the Mustang Mach-E crossovers could cause the vehicles to become immobile.www.cnbc.com
Talk about saving some cash, $24/month (in UK): https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-tiny-citroen-ami-is-now-on-sale-and-it-costs-just-20-a-month/
I could definitely see @goru1869 cruising the strip for chicks in one of these babies.
I could definitely see @goru1869 cruising the strip for chicks in one of these babies.
Yeah I know it's not the best, I would only get it for how affordable it is and then get rid of it when I can get a Silverado or something else that hasn't been announced yet. I'm not going to spend a ton of money on a stopgap.
I haven't considered comparing the resale value to a comparable ICE vehicle because my current daily driver, a Subaru Baja, has been retaining its value very well and is becoming increasingly popular among enthusiasts, and mine is rust-free. I love driving this car though and will definitely miss doing so every day, but I'll have to decide if that's worth a few hundred bucks a month. I have two of them though, one automatic as my daily driver and one manual that is going to get an STI swap--that one isn't going anywhere. I'm hoping Subaru comes out with something similar as an EV in a few years so I don't have to decide between driving the car I love or saving a fortune by not buying gas.
Another thing I'm considering is that gas prices always drop at the end of the summer, and it's hard to guess how much it'll drop this time. Maybe it will go back to more normal numbers, or maybe it will drop only a little and $4+/gallon is the new norm.
I really wanted a Subaru Baja, but they don't make them anymore. I could not find a used one in decent condition, and I bought a Ford Maverick. I wish I found a Baja. What year is yours, and how many miles do you have on it?
Both of mine are 05s with turbos, and I bought both of them in California and drove them back here because exactly as you said, it's nearly impossible to find one in good shape around here anymore, most are rusted pretty bad. There's a shop right on the border of Connecticut and New York that applies a rust-prevention product called Corrosion Free. I got that put on the automatic when I got it three and a half years ago and it's been working great so far with a re-application every year and a half to two years, so I will be doing the same to the manual that I just recently picked up before the winter.
I got one new from the dealer as my first car in 2004. It lasted me 14 years and 189k miles even though I really didn't take care of it as well as I wish I did, but I didn't know much about cars back then and always used regular gas even though it said to use premium because of the turbo. When that engine finally died, my friend let me borrow his Altima for a while and I was driving some other cars here and there, but every car I drove felt like it was missing something compared to the Baja Turbo. Either it was slower than I was used to, didn't have all-wheel drive, and for storage space everything either had less space because of the lack of a bed, sacrificed a back row of seats for storage space, or had more storage space and a back row but was a massive bulky full-size pickup which I wasn't interested in. I eventually decided that literally anything other than another Baja Turbo would feel like a downgrade in one feature or another, it really is a jack of all trades, so I sought out the exact same car and found one in basically brand new condition in California.
When I bought this one, it had only 69k, I bought it from the original owner who was an 80-something year old lady. She had a pretty sad story, she was only selling it because she had just been diagnosed with dementia, so they took her license away, and she needed the money to hire a caregiver because she had just had an estate sale where they sold pretty much everything she owned for such dirt cheap prices that she basically lost all of her possessions for almost no money. She was sad to see it go, but it worked out for both of us, I got the car I wanted and was able to help her out a bit financially by buying it from her. It was $12,000 but could have gone for at least $15,000, probably more. I already have it up to 149k miles, and it was flooded in Ida, but after replacing the alternator, battery, A/C compressor, spark plugs, timing belt, draining and replacing all the fluids, cleaning the carpet, and fixing a bad ground coming from the ECU, it still drives like new as it did before the flood.
The manual I just picked up about two months ago. It's the rarest Baja option--white, manual, turbo. It has a good amount of dings and scratches on the body that I'm hoping a body shop can fix up, and I think it is slowly burning oil and just last week the water pump went and the engine started overheating. Pretty annoying, but I guess these things happen when you buy a 17-year old car with 145k miles on it. I got a good deal on this one too, these white manual turbos usually go for around $12-15k even with that kind of mileage, but this was listed for $10k and I talked him down to $9k and he threw in a Johnny Cash CD lol.
Interesting. I can't remember where I read/saw it (there is a dealer from the midwest with a YouTube channel that gives good information that is purportedly accurate), but I remember reading/seeing that, and I was surprised that I could not order the cheapest model, and I had to order a Lariat or pass when my reservation came up.
Welp I filled out an online form to get some info on the Leaf and someone from Sansone just called me back saying that the Leaf isn't really sold anywhere around here and is mainly on the West Coast. I could have sworn I've seen them around but maybe not. There goes that option, I'll look into the Bolt and Kona like you suggested.$219/month on a 36 month lease with $4,064 down. Comes to $332/month.
I'd consider the Chevy Bolt and the Hyundai Kona too. List of lease costs here:
Electric Vehicle Lease Guide
Shortcuts to Dealers Listed: Acura – Audi – BMW – Cadillac – Chevrolet – Fiat – Ford – Genesis – GMC –...
Why didn't you include the full quote? I discussed this same thing last week and it has nothing to do with short sellers.
For those interested in facts, Rivian is discovering their cost of production is waaaaay too high. As a result, they raised prices. By raising prices, they shrink their potential customers. It doesn't matter how awesome their truck is, if they cannot produce a unit volume that covers their fixed cost, they're screwed. Elon's advice is for Rivian to cut costs immediately, across-the-board, drastically, or they're doomed. Nothing earth shattering, just good business advice.
Prototypes are easy. Profitable, volume production in the auto business is damn near impossible.
Stop trying to deceive people.
There were some posts above about the Bolt being reintroduced because of a recall of earlier models. I seriously considered the Hyundai Santa Cruz (closest new car to a Suburu Brat), and they make a nice car. I'd favor the Kona over the Chevy. I think you are going to have a hard time running down cheaper EVs with the current gas price situation. Keep us posted. If you strike out on Chevy and Hyundai, there are KIA EVs (I think).
Yeah, it’s not like Musk trying to manipulate pricing 🙄. LOL. Maybe they should go private with a tweet of funding secured.
Yeah I actually just got a text back from a Chevy sales rep and he said they have 6 Bolts coming in soon, but four of them are already spoken for. They are also only the premium model, which is more than I'm looking to spend on a car that is just a stopgap. He says he'll see if they have any of the sedan LTs coming in. You're right though, it probably is going to be difficult to find a new EV at this price range, I'm at least trying my luck though. Even something around $45k could end up being cost-effective if gas prices don't drop that much in the fall, but I think I need more to be excited about than just the gas savings for me to be willing to spend that much.
The Santa Cruz does look interesting, but the inability to extend the bed into the back seat really limits its capability to carry longer items--for me that would mean I'd need a roof rack for skis and hockey sticks would probably have to go in the cab. Hopefully in upcoming years they implement a midgate to alleviate this issue since the bed is so small, as well as at least a hybrid version like the Maverick.
The person from Sansone did mention that they have some Kia Ioniqs coming in soon.
