Quite a large recall. Software can be buggy. Ask Bill Gates. He moved on to screwing up other things.
OT: Electric vehicles
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Sure. Rivian and Lucid are keeping Elon up at night. He's twirling his moustache inside his evil lair. You've officially crossed into pathetic territory.
How about you try to earn some credibility and tell us exactly what was false/misleading about Elon's statements.
If you're concerned about cargo capacity, the Bolt is pretty tiny. Have you looked into used Teslas? If $45k is doable, you might be able to find something
Article had conflicting information. One part of the article said something about ordering parts, and the other said OTA fix:
"Ford expects to offer a solution for the problem in the third quarter, according to the bulletin. Mustang Mach-E owners will be notified via mail after repair instructions and parts ordering information have been provided to dealers.
Deep said the company’s remedy will include a software update to the vehicle’s “Secondary On-Board Diagnostic Control Module and Battery Energy Control Module.” It will be conducted remotely, or over-the-air. Customers also have the option of taking their vehicle to a Ford dealer.""
But it's a pretty serious issue.
What credibility does Musk have? Not too mention just a slight conflict of interest. He needs to stick to Tesla.
Just went on the Ford website and now they are showing a message that says “Due to a combination of high demand and global supply-chain constraints, not all models and trims or features are available to order. Contact your dealer for available inventory stock or future availability.” My apologies to the dealer. Guess Ford had a change of heart. Maybe I’ll move on up on the list.
The forum linked below contains a wealth of information on orders, order status and other information related to models, issues, etc.
Reservations, Ordering, Pricing, Production, Delivery
www.f150lightningforum.com
This is one of many articles that came out on April 15, indicating the cheaper versions of the Lightning were "sold out."
2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Pro And XLT Already Sold Out: Report
While retail customers cannot order the Pro and XLT anymore, the $70,000 Lariat and $90,000+ Platinum are still available.
insideevs.com
I'm not too concerned with cargo space for this particular purchase because as I said it's just a stopgap until something that better suits me is available, which will hopefully be no more than a year or two from now. In the meantime, if I need to carry something that doesn't fit in whatever EV I get, I'll still have a Baja that can carry it. I haven't looked at a used Tesla because I was in a Tesla for the first time a week ago and hated it. Seems like just about everything other than the actual driving is done on a touchscreen, which would irritate the hell out of me. I know that seems like it will soon be the norm for some stupid reason, but at least on the Silverado EV the climate controls are still buttons and knobs.
Fair point. Musk knows very little about starting an EV company from scratch and what it takes to succeed. Starting a successful car company is fairly simple and easy. I mean, if you just look at Rivian's or Lucid's past quarterly reports, they're absolutely crushing it. Making money hand over fist. No need to worry.
I'm sure Elon would appreciate your wisdom since you're always spot on when it comes to EVs. How should Elon answer a direct question about other startups? Please share.
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Did TSLA make money hand over fist in their initial stages?
An odd critique coming from a TSLA guy.
I guess you didn't read the full quote/conversation either.
The media is running with one sentence from an entire conversation about startups. I'm not going to bother explaining.
What you fail to understand is the irony when people pointed out and said the same thing about Tesla and Musk was all bent out of shape. Now it’s “facts”….LOL
You turned it into "RIVN/LCID making money hand over fist" I responded to that.
Of course those companies are not making money at this point.
ELON pointed out the fact that Tesla was headed towards bankruptcy, multiple times. That was the entire point of the conversation about startups. Drastic changes had to be made to save Tesla.
Rivian and Lucid are currently in the same (actually worse) boat. They are both hemorrhaging cash. If they continue on this current trajectory, they'll go under. That is a fact. Both need to undergo drastic changes to save their business. Also a fact. Look at their financials and tell me otherwise.
Admit you never bothered to listen to the conversation. You ran with a single out of context quote and created some grand short selling conspiracy. Pathetic.
you are too funny. Please point out where he said Tesla was headed to Bk prior to the pandemic. He is admitting now because they turned the corner. In fact, many short seller said Tesla was headed to BK and Musk trash those short sellers
Elon did not start the company from scratch. I'm sure you know that.
Obviously. But, and this brings us back to my original reply, odd sarcasm from a TSLA fb, as TSLA was certainly not earning a profit in their early years.
Speaking of TSLA, which continues to take a beating, they’re raising prices again…
jalopnik.com
Tesla Raises Prices Significantly Across Model Lineup
The price of some Teslas increased between $2,000 and $6,000.
jalopnik.com
Prior to Elon and JB Straubel, Tesla was a shell company. No employees, no product, no IP.
After being ousted from Tesla, Martin Eberhard, one of the original "co-founders" went on to start his own EV company which failed. Not a single employee left with Eberhard when he was fired.
You can draw your own conclusions from those facts.
And during those tumultuous times, Tesla had to undergo rapid and drastic changes to avoid bankruptcy.
Rivian and Lucid are in the same boat. Elon's advice was they better do something drastic quickly. If they maintain the status quo, they will fail. A relatively benign and obvious comment.
My agitation stems from another poster who insisted that Elon's comment were malicious, and part of some short position conspiracy.
Hyundai is coming out with some kind of streamliner influenced Ioniq 6. Teased it like a big, rolling egg, looking forward to what they come out with.
Car designers have stuck way too closely to 2-/3-box EV design even though there's no engine under the hood and no need for a hood. Aerodynamics and space, not tradition, should be guiding them. More big, rolling eggs and roadable streamliners.
Car designers have stuck way too closely to 2-/3-box EV design even though there's no engine under the hood and no need for a hood. Aerodynamics and space, not tradition, should be guiding them. More big, rolling eggs and roadable streamliners.
Why would the CEO of any business say that when it was obvious from any quarterly report? Another brilliant business idea from you. I guess the Rivian and Lucid CEOs should do the smart thing and announce to the world they're headed towards bankruptcy. Shareholders would appreciate it.
Elon's venom towards short sellers stems from countless lies and misinformation about Tesla and EVs in general spread by the shorts. You should be very familiar with that long list of FUD.
Agree 💯. They can start by getting rid of the grills on EVs. Be daring and bold. If you want to be a part of the future, you need to have a hand in making it.
I saw another Ioniq today. I still think they look nice (this one was parked across the street from where I was having coffee w/some friends). My friends did not like its appearance so much.
Also saw, yesterday, what I believe was an Audi e-Tron S in white w/black accents. Was on the Parkway. It look really good. It was trundling along in the far right lane until I passed at which point it crossed over and slid in behind me in the far left lane, using me as a rabbit for a little while (that bastard LOL). But seriously, it looked great.
Only problem is that the range is a crappy 208 (surely quite a bit less than that even, at the speeds we were doing). Probably down to the wide wheels and 3 motors. But did I mention how great it looked?
Someone said this morning on Jeff Kuhner's talk show in Boston that an alternator could be placed in an electric car to keep it charged.Does anyone know if this is possible?
That is the whole point. The dealership model is hurting ( I prefer to say dooming) any chance of the legacy automakers successfully transitioning.
Only 6 Tesla showroom locations in NJ. 60 Ford dealers. 50 Chevy dealers. Hell, there’s even 11 Porsche dealers.
I think a lot of people would want to view and test drive a car before they buy it. And that few locations for a state as crowded as NJ sucks.
I‘m skeptical that the “dealership model” is hurting or dooming anybody. It could just as easily turn out that Tesla will need to eventually up it’s showroom count to hold it‘s lead.
Dealerships aren’t the same as showrooms, of course. But they have advantages showrooms don’t, like the ability for customers to check out and negotiate great deals on used cars or new models.
The law of conservation of energy says no.
If that was the case, Rolex would’ve been out of business long ago. The reality is that demand is high, dealers can charge a premium. Legacy automakers will be fine because they already “sold” the car to the dealer.
This reminds me of the old Superman TV show where the villain had a plan to make gold to finance his evil deeds. Unfortunately for him, making gold required an even more expensive metal - platinum.
An even more important question is why you would listen to this guy in the first place, let alone cite him as an information source.
Guess you think this is ok
Tesla (TSLA) significantly increases its electric car prices across its lineup
Tesla (TSLA) has significantly increased the prices of its electric cars across its entire lineup with some models going up...
electrek.co
But I thought getting to profitable volume production would be a walk in the park for everyone else
I guess Tesla is going to kill it in delivery this quarter. Again, I thought you didn’t want to compare just EVs. But since we are, too bad Tesla’s EV market share keeps shrinking.
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