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Interesting.

Fact is, you need very little power to drive a 4 piece band. Even if the guitars are using 100 watt tube amps, the consumption is still under 200 watts. Figure the same for the PA. Another 5-10 watts per guitar for a pedal board. Bear in mind, that's with everything turned all the way up, which nobody is going to do. That truck would drive a gig for a long, long time.
Even if the amps are turned up to 11?
 
Even if the amps are turned up to 11?

Especially.

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The winter range scares me. I’ve heard up to 40% reduction 🤬. Appreciate any tips to get more
Cabin heat is the biggest drain by far. Seat heater only will deplete range, but barely noticeable. On really cold days, I put the floor heater on the lowest setting to keep my feet warm and use the seat heater. I'm comfortable with that.

The 40% range loss stat probably came from having the cabin heat full blast b/c I've never experienced such an extreme range loss. Every EV is different though. Tesla HVAC is super efficient, so I'm curious what you discover.
 
This article is pretty funny, for it's snarky headline and clearly on topic if CEOs of EV companies are on topic. I would recommend ignoring the vapid article itself, though - I did.

 
That chart is a joke - mixes hybrids and BEV's to support the ICE agenda - Electric cars are on an exponential increase - and Tesla is the clear leader - 5 years ahead of the comp - deal with it .
"deal with it" ?? lol. I couldn't care less actually. I'm only interested in actually facts being presented.
I'd own a tesla if it made sense.
 
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this is what happens when a narcissistic egomaniac has a giant pile of money.
No, this is what happens when a businessman takes over a company losing a billion dollars a year and no revenue relief in sight. You cut expenses, the fat that inevitably builds in organizations over time (although Twitter got very soft very quickly).

A Department of Human Rights, dedicated to protecting the human rights of Twitter users overseas. Really, I actually LOL'd. Gone.

A Department of Internal Communications. Their team picture appeared to have 50 or more members. Gone.

A Department of Machine Learning Ethics. Musk already owns a company (Tesla) more deeply invested in ML, but also helped found a for-profit company (OpenAI) working on the exact same questions as Twitter. Gone.

Will Twitter prove to be a profitable venture for Musk? I have no idea. But he's demonstrated too much success in the past, against large odds, for me to bet against him. On the other hand I won't be acquiring any Twitter stock.
 
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No, this is what happens when a businessman takes over a company losing a billion dollars a year and no revenue relief in sight. You cut expenses, the fat that inevitably builds in organizations over time (although Twitter got very soft very quickly).

A Department of Human Rights, dedicated to protecting the human rights of Twitter users overseas. Really, I actually LOL'd. Gone.

A Department of Internal Communications. Their team picture appeared to have 50 or more members. Gone.

A Department of Machine Learning Ethics. Musk already owns a company (Tesla) more deeply invested in ML, but also helped found a for-profit company (OpenAI) working on the exact same questions as Twitter. Gone.

Will Twitter prove to be a profitable venture for Musk? I have no idea. But he's demonstrated too much success in the past, against large odds, for me to bet against him. On the other hand I won't be acquiring any Twitter stock.
Maybe there was a reason for those departments

 
No, this is what happens when a businessman takes over a company losing a billion dollars a year and no revenue relief in sight. You cut expenses, the fat that inevitably builds in organizations over time (although Twitter got very soft very quickly).

A Department of Human Rights, dedicated to protecting the human rights of Twitter users overseas. Really, I actually LOL'd. Gone.

A Department of Internal Communications. Their team picture appeared to have 50 or more members. Gone.

A Department of Machine Learning Ethics. Musk already owns a company (Tesla) more deeply invested in ML, but also helped found a for-profit company (OpenAI) working on the exact same questions as Twitter. Gone.

Will Twitter prove to be a profitable venture for Musk? I have no idea. But he's demonstrated too much success in the past, against large odds, for me to bet against him. On the other hand I won't be acquiring any Twitter stock.
Clearly you don't want to understand. There's plenty of fat to be cut... but to cut the groups responsible for any accountability to investors, regulatory or governmental agencies, and advertisers/user community is quite telling. That, on top of no general counsel, no PR group, no corporate affairs at Tesla, it speaks to a maniacal disdain for accountability to anybody but himself and his own delusions of how the world is supposed to work... specifically working in his favor.
 
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No, this is what happens when a businessman takes over a company losing a billion dollars a year and no revenue relief in sight. You cut expenses, the fat that inevitably builds in organizations over time (although Twitter got very soft very quickly).

A Department of Human Rights, dedicated to protecting the human rights of Twitter users overseas. Really, I actually LOL'd. Gone.

A Department of Internal Communications. Their team picture appeared to have 50 or more members. Gone.

A Department of Machine Learning Ethics. Musk already owns a company (Tesla) more deeply invested in ML, but also helped found a for-profit company (OpenAI) working on the exact same questions as Twitter. Gone.

Will Twitter prove to be a profitable venture for Musk? I have no idea. But he's demonstrated too much success in the past, against large odds, for me to bet against him. On the other hand I won't be acquiring any Twitter stock.
As a shareholder idk what to think. I’m glad he’s making some tough decisions to help the bottom line, but some of the things he tweets just screams sell sell sell. Can’t have a loose cannon CEO tweeting out misinformation and other crazy stuff. Advertisers are terrified.
 
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As a shareholder idk what to think. I’m glad he’s making some tough decisions to help the bottom line, but some of the things he tweets just screams sell sell sell. Can’t have a loose cannon CEO tweeting out misinformation and other crazy stuff. Advertisers are terrified.
Massive layoffs to try to help the bottom line can end up in a death spiral... you cut to try to get some cost efficiencies, but then the product suffers. Which can lead to more cost cutting as a short term solution. If that cycle continues, there ends up being nothing left to cut. See: GE, Xerox, etc.
 
Please stop. It's embarrassing. EDS.
Second unprovoked personal attack in two days. I let the first go. But if you want to go that route, then okay, let's do that. Just don't cry like a little oversensitive baby now that you decided to play that game.

The guy was a total jerk today and deserves the negative attention he's getting. Maybe you don't know anybody who benefits from accessibility work by software companies, or you don't GAF about people with disabilities, I don't know. But firing the entire team doing that work at twitter was an asshole move. Some of the other teams he extinguished were also asshole moves, just not quite as obvious.

I‘ve gone from totally neutral about the guy to realizing he's actually a pretty shitty human over the past couple weeks. You can pull out the worn and IQ-deficient Trumper "derangement" defense, which I frankly thought you were too intelligent to ever use seriously. The "TDS" thing was how I identified the morons in the room. Use variants of it all you want but it's use will only ever earn you well-deserved scorn.

What's truly embarrassing is the way you're slurping Musk's sack now.
 
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No, this is what happens when a businessman takes over a company losing a billion dollars a year and no revenue relief in sight. You cut expenses, the fat that inevitably builds in organizations over time (although Twitter got very soft very quickly).

A Department of Human Rights, dedicated to protecting the human rights of Twitter users overseas. Really, I actually LOL'd. Gone.

A Department of Internal Communications. Their team picture appeared to have 50 or more members. Gone.

A Department of Machine Learning Ethics. Musk already owns a company (Tesla) more deeply invested in ML, but also helped found a for-profit company (OpenAI) working on the exact same questions as Twitter. Gone.

Will Twitter prove to be a profitable venture for Musk? I have no idea. But he's demonstrated too much success in the past, against large odds, for me to bet against him. On the other hand I won't be acquiring any Twitter stock.
There are multiple ways to cut expenses. The way he's doing it is pretty shitty. Cutting the accessibility department is a great big FU to all the disabled folks out there. That alone was a dick-head move.
 
As a shareholder idk what to think. I’m glad he’s making some tough decisions to help the bottom line, but some of the things he tweets just screams sell sell sell. Can’t have a loose cannon CEO tweeting out misinformation and other crazy stuff. Advertisers are terrified.
I'm a shareholder as well. Cutting fat is great. Cutting redundancy across multiple owned companies is fine. But his approach is irresponsible and unethical as hell.

The guy ignored his own team about the twitter purchase and he's been behaving like a petulant child due to his own mistake.

Advertisers have every right to be terrified.
 
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Massive layoffs to try to help the bottom line can end up in a death spiral... you cut to try to get some cost efficiencies, but then the product suffers. Which can lead to more cost cutting as a short term solution. If that cycle continues, there ends up being nothing left to cut. See: GE, Xerox, etc.
The good news is that him gutting twitter may create opportunities for competition that weren't there prior to Musk's takeover.
 
The good news is that him gutting twitter may create opportunities for competition that weren't there prior to Musk's takeover.
Competition is already around... instagram, tiktok, Facebook. All they need to do is to embrace some form of microblogging. There's also reddit, discord, twitch, amongst others in terms of platforms for sharing and discussion that haven't been monetized quite the way the others have.

Anyways... In other EV news...

 
I got a quote for a 240v outlet and a Generac transfer switch for 2k. This will be 7k to 8k cheaper than the Snrun HIS.
 
Competition is already around... instagram, tiktok, Facebook. All they need to do is to embrace some form of microblogging. There's also reddit, discord, twitch, amongst others in terms of platforms for sharing and discussion that haven't been monetized quite the way the others have.
Obviously there are other social media companies all competing for users. But what I meant was a direct Twitter-style service competitor. One of the other platform types could maybe do it, sure, but with all the tech layoffs, now might be a great time for someone new to join the fray.
 
Second unprovoked personal attack in two days. I let the first go. But if you want to go that route, then okay, let's do that. Just don't cry like a little oversensitive baby now that you decided to play that game.

The guy was a total jerk today and deserves the negative attention he's getting. Maybe you don't know anybody who benefits from accessibility work by software companies, or you don't GAF about people with disabilities, I don't know. But firing the entire team doing that work at twitter was an asshole move. Some of the other teams he extinguished were also asshole moves, just not quite as obvious.

I‘ve gone from totally neutral about the guy to realizing he's actually a pretty shitty human over the past couple weeks. You can pull out the worn and IQ-deficient Trumper "derangement" defense, which I frankly thought you were too intelligent to ever use seriously. The "TDS" thing was how I identified the morons in the room. Use variants of it all you want but it's use will only ever earn you well-deserved scorn.

What's truly embarrassing is the way you're slurping Musk's sack now.
Little big mouth got your feelings hurt? Man up. You write a lot of words that don't mean anything. There was nothing personal. Your crusade against Elon Musk is silly. This is an EV thread, not your personal crusade against Elon Musk.

Assholish last line, but not surprising coming from you. Piss off, you jerk.
 
Little big mouth got your feelings hurt? Man up. You write a lot of words that don't mean anything. There was nothing personal. Your crusade against Elon Musk is silly. This is an EV thread, not your personal crusade against Elon Musk.

Assholish last line, but not surprising coming from you. Piss off, you jerk.
Awwwww, did I offend you by daring to once again criticize your new man-crush. You just can’t help but defend him, that poor misunderstood savior of mankind.

People, including the OP, use this thread to express creepy adulation of Musk making it’s perfectly fair to criticize him in it, too. You’ve chosen a particularly weird time to worship the guy, seeing as how he just went out of his way to screw over a bunch of disabled people. But whatever floats your boat.

Seeing as how he’s the CEO of the world’s largest EV automaker, I’m going to keep posting about Musk’s increasingly indefensible management decisions. I’ll just have to risk having my ”feelings hurt” by your heroic defense of him, ironically self-defeating derangement references and all.
 
Fun thread on the F150 Lightning Forum.

On the way home down route 18 Saturday night after the game, got caught up in some sort of drag race among some BMWs. I played a bit, punching the accelerator, cruising past some of them.

 
Fun thread on the F150 Lightning Forum.

On the way home down route 18 Saturday night after the game, got caught up in some sort of drag race among some BMWs. I played a bit, punching the accelerator, cruising past some of them.

Drive safe. My personal opinion is that it’s way too fast for the size of the truck. I would trade the 4 sec 0-60 for more range.
 
Drive safe. My personal opinion is that it’s way too fast for the size of the truck. I would trade the 4 sec 0-60 for more range.
Yeah, it was a momentary lapse of reason (channeling Pink Floyd). My participation in the drag race antics lasted all of 5 seconds. More range is better than the insane speed. I chirp the wheels when I was going about 20 mph and hit the accelerator.

Are you using 1 pedal driving. I like it a lot.
 
Yeah, it was a momentary lapse of reason (channeling Pink Floyd). My participation in the drag race antics lasted all of 5 seconds. More range is better than the insane speed. I chirp the wheels when I was going about 20 mph and hit the accelerator.

Are you using 1 pedal driving. I like it a lot.
Haha. I participated in drag race antics on a freshly paved RT 287 around the time Pink Floyd was being formed.
 
Fun thread on the F150 Lightning Forum.

On the way home down route 18 Saturday night after the game, got caught up in some sort of drag race among some BMWs. I played a bit, punching the accelerator, cruising past some of them.


Saw one up close at my daughter's soccer game last weekend. If I went EV I'd tend to gravitate towards those that are more traditional "car/truck" looking like the Lightning or Sierra EV or what Audi and some others will soon be offering as opposed to the bubble looks of the Model Y, for example, or the harshness/moon landing look of the Cybertruck.
 
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Haha. I participated in drag race antics on a freshly paved RT 287 around the time Pink Floyd was being formed.
While that makes you a bit older than me, I remember the Circuit in Asbury Park (famed by Springsteen in the song Night- "the Circuit's lined and jammed with chrome invaders"--does chrome exist on cars anymore?). Our family had a 1969 Gran Torino with a 351 Cleveland engine. My brother took it up to the Circuit.

But I was not able to experience the fun--about the time I earned my license, the city closed the Circuit for an ill-fated development project that eventually went bankrupt. Probably was just as well. The Gran Torino met its fate in an unfortunate crash, and my 1966 Rambler American 440 (not the engine size) was not quite the racing vehicle.
 
Saw one up close at my daughter's soccer game last weekend. If I went EV I'd tend to gravitate towards those that are more "car/truck" looking like the Lightning or Sierra EV as opposed to the bubble looks of the Model Y, for example, or the harshness/moon landing look of te Cybertruck.
That's part of the discussion on the linked thread from the Lightning forums. EV haters seem more receptive to the Lightning because it looks like an F150. It kind of reveals itself for what it is when the owner pops open the frunk to expose an empty compartment and not an engine. Enjoying the heck out of it so far. It has been a long time since I have enjoyed driving a new vehicle this much.
 
Little big mouth got your feelings hurt? Man up. You write a lot of words that don't mean anything. There was nothing personal. Your crusade against Elon Musk is silly. This is an EV thread, not your personal crusade against Elon Musk.

Assholish last line, but not surprising coming from you. Piss off, you jerk.

But is he wrong? There were some reports that lenders/investors were shaken by his behavior the first few days after taking control of Twitter. That Paul Pelosi thing gave everyone from investors to advertisers pause. He tried to blame companies who are hesitant to advertise on Twitter after his stunts for being woke and wanting to suppress speech but then a few days later he apparently blocked a bunch of ad execs who questioned some of the things he said and did after a conference call with large marketers and ad execs a few days ago.

The problem for Musk is he is wildly impulsive which is a bad combo with being arrogant. When you make an impulsive decision building cars or a space craft, you can often walk that back as something you decide doesn't happen immediately. But with twitter, every post he makes, every person he blocks, every person he unblocks, every person he lifts a ban from is immediate and quick and immediate reactions. Twitter highlights his worst impulses, which is often to just spout off with no thought as to the consequences.

I often took the position with Musk that you shouldn't bet against him. But something about twitter and the type of person he is strikes me as a bad combo.
 
That's part of the discussion on the linked thread from the Lightning forums. EV haters seem more receptive to the Lightning because it looks like an F150. It kind of reveals itself for what it is when the owner pops open the frunk to expose an empty compartment and not an engine. Enjoying the heck out of it so far. It has been a long time since I have enjoyed driving a new vehicle this much.

My problem is just trying to convince the wife to let me get a pickup! LOL.
 
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Yeah, it was a momentary lapse of reason (channeling Pink Floyd). My participation in the drag race antics lasted all of 5 seconds. More range is better than the insane speed. I chirp the wheels when I was going about 20 mph and hit the accelerator.

Are you using 1 pedal driving. I like it a lot.
I use it but don’t love it. Wrote in an earlier email that it’s too sensitive. Brings the car to a complete stock too quickly for my liking.
 
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