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OT: Electric vehicles

Just curious - would the Ford Lightening, GM Silverado, and Hummer, fit in most garages for charging purposes?
 
Just curious - would the Ford Lightening, GM Silverado, and Hummer, fit in most garages for charging purposes?
Yes, it’s heavier due to the battery but dimensions are not that different.

ETA: the weight is a guess
 
Just curious - would the Ford Lightening, GM Silverado, and Hummer, fit in most garages for charging purposes?
One would have to know the dimension of "most garages" to know the answer for that.

A regular Ford F150 appears to have a width that can vary between around 80" to 86" or so.

A modern so-called "standard" single car garage door width is either 8' or 9' wide these days (according to various web sources). So... probably yes, for average houses built recently.

OTOH, plenty of people have older homes with older garages. And in many of those homes, the answer would be probably no.

How totally unhelpful was that answer? 😃
 
One would have to know the dimension of "most garages" to know the answer for that.

A regular Ford F150 appears to have a width that can vary between around 80" to 86" or so.

A modern so-called "standard" single car garage door width is either 8' or 9' wide these days (according to various web sources). So... probably yes, for average houses built recently.

OTOH, plenty of people have older homes with older garages. And in many of those homes, the answer would be probably no.

How totally unhelpful was that answer? 😃
I have 100+ year old house but the detached garage in probably just 40 years old. What do you think?
 
I have 100+ year old house but the detached garage in probably just 40 years old. What do you think?
I have a detached garage that was built 100+ years ago (I think). The doors were originally out-swinging barn doors, that were modified by some prior owner to be up-swinging doors. I had those ripped out and replaced with new automatic garage doors.

I believe the width is either 6-1/2 feet (78"). I think my Suburban (76.7") might've just squeaked through them width-wise. I never actually tried. I was able to fit a Porsche Macan S in (at 76.2") without folding in the mirrors - but it was a tight fit. The widest car in there now is 73" and is easy to get in and out.
 
I like the look of the Lightning more, but not bad—

 
I like the look of the Lightning more, but not bad—

Can it be use as a backup generator? If so, I’m getting on the list.
 
GM - the worlds leader in EV cars according to President Biden - delivered a whopping 26 electric vehicles in Q4. They heading for deep trouble - government bailout is coming. And for what it is worth you will never see them produce a $40,000 Electric Silverado. More press release garbage by the nations worst CEO.
 
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GM - the worlds leader in EV cars according to President Biden - delivered a whopping 26 electric vehicles in Q4. They heading for deep trouble - government bailout is coming. And for what it is worth you will never see them produce a $40,000 Electric Silverado. More press release garbage by the nations worst CEO.

They'll sell a handful at that price, not many people buy a base model of anything.
 
They'll sell a handful at that price, not many people buy a base model of anything.
All automakers make a few of the stripped down base models so that they can say they fit a certain price point and/or sell them as fleet vehicles. But they are a very small % of total production.
 
All automakers make a few of the stripped down base models so that they can say they fit a certain price point and/or sell them as fleet vehicles. But they are a very small % of total production.
GM said the base models are for fleet.
 
GM - the worlds leader in EV cars according to President Biden - delivered a whopping 26 electric vehicles in Q4. They heading for deep trouble - government bailout is coming. And for what it is worth you will never see them produce a $40,000 Electric Silverado. More press release garbage by the nations worst CEO.
GM announced they'll have 30 EVs by 2025. So, 26 deliveries in Q4 2021 is a pretty good start.
Oh, wait.....
 
wow, don’t get the GM hate by Tesla guys. The competition is Ford.
The Teslarati insist that the legacy auto manufacturers will fail despite the fact they have established operations, and the biggest challenge is likely transitioning from ICE to EV without disrupting the financials. But, in the end, whether it’s ICE or electric it’s still a vehicle made up of components assembled by mechanics, machinists, etc. and not the rocket-science the Teslarati will have you believe. Of course the production numbers will start low but will spike much faster as operations are established.
 
The Teslarati insist that the legacy auto manufacturers will fail despite the fact they have established operations, and the biggest challenge is likely transitioning from ICE to EV without disrupting the financials. But, in the end, whether it’s ICE or electric it’s still a vehicle made up of components assembled by mechanics, machinists, etc. and not the rocket-science the Teslarati will have you believe. Of course the production numbers will start low but will spike much faster as operations are established.
You're right. If history has taught us anything, it's that manufacturing profitable vehicles at scale is a piece of cake. And after all, a car is a car
 
You're right. If history has taught us anything, it's that manufacturing profitable vehicles at scale is a piece of cake. And after all, a car is a car
I’m not suggesting auto manufacturing is easy, but keep in mind that lessons have been learned, manufacturing models will be copied, and technology available today vs. 10-20 years ago is infinitely more sophisticated = the EV manufacturing road has been paved to an extent (thank you Tesla) so the real question is execution. I wouldn’t bet against any of the legacy automakers. I’m not saying they won’t have issues especially if they don’t thread the needle on phasing out ICEs, but I’d be more concerned that new entrants get drowned out by the bigger players.
 
You're right. If history has taught us anything, it's that manufacturing profitable vehicles at scale is a piece of cake. And after all, a car is a car
No, no, you're right. Clearly an EV is so vastly complex that nobody but Tesla could possibly figure out how to make one. Everybody else should just give up now.
 
When did EV's stop being a car?

I’m not suggesting auto manufacturing is easy, but keep in mind that lessons have been learned, manufacturing models will be copied, and technology available today vs. 10-20 years ago is infinitely more sophisticated = the EV manufacturing road has been paved to an extent (thank you Tesla) so the real question is execution. I wouldn’t bet against any of the legacy automakers. I’m not saying they won’t have issues especially if they don’t thread the needle on phasing out ICEs, but I’d be more concerned that new entrants get drowned out by the bigger players.

No, no, you're right. Clearly an EV is so vastly complex that nobody but Tesla could possibly figure out how to make one. Everybody else should just give up now.
Ford has 100 years of manufacturing expertise. The Mach E has been in production for over a year, and Ford has plateaued at 2-4K units/month. At that piddly volume, it's a loss on every vehicle. Demand is not an issue. By all accounts, the Mach E is a great car. Ask Ford if a car is a car.

Maybe copying Tesla's manufacturing techniques is the answer, but no one appears to be doing so.

This is not about making a great EV. This is about profitable volume production.

Manufacturing is hard.
 
Ford has 100 years of manufacturing expertise. The Mach E has been in production for over a year, and Ford has plateaued at 2-4K units/month. At that piddly volume, it's a loss on every vehicle. Demand is not an issue. By all accounts, the Mach E is a great car. Ask Ford if a car is a car.

Maybe copying Tesla's manufacturing techniques is the answer, but no one appears to be doing so.

This is not about making a great EV. This is about profitable volume production.

Manufacturing is hard.

I'd be amused if you would stop demonstrating how little you know about this business.

Ford is currently building the Mach-E in Cuautitlan. Prior to Mach-E final assembly, this plant was producing Fiestas for the global market.

The introduction of Mach-E final assembly meant that Fiesta production had to be offloaded. This was achieved, in part, by Ford's decision to discontinue Fiesta sales (along with all other cars save the Mustang) in the U.S. The remainder of the capacity relief is accomplished by reallocating production to the roughly half-dozen assembly plants, worldwide, that produce the Fiesta. All of this requires a considerable amount of work.

In 2022, with Fiesta assembly fully discontinued in Mexico, Ford projects that it will build +200k Mach-E units for North America.
 
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I'd be amused if you would stop demonstrating how little you know about this business.

Ford is currently building the Mach-E in Cuautitlan. Prior to Mach-E final assembly, this plant was producing Fiestas for the global market.

The introduction of Mach-E final assembly meant that Fiesta production had to be offloaded. This was achieved, in part, by Ford's decision to discontinue Fiesta sales (along with all other cars save the Mustang) in the U.S. The remainder of the capacity relief is accomplished by reallocating production to the roughly half-dozen assembly plants, worldwide, that produce the Fiesta. All of this requires a considerably amount of work.

In 2022, with Fiesta assembly fully discontinued in Mexico, Ford projects that it will build +200k Mach-E units for North America.
but no one except tesla can build EV at scale. no one! because st. elon said so...
 
I'd be amused if you would stop demonstrating how little you know about this business.

Ford is currently building the Mach-E in Cuautitlan. Prior to Mach-E final assembly, this plant was producing Fiestas for the global market.

The introduction of Mach-E final assembly meant that Fiesta production had to be offloaded. This was achieved, in part, by Ford's decision to discontinue Fiesta sales (along with all other cars save the Mustang) in the U.S. The remainder of the capacity relief is accomplished by reallocating production to the roughly half-dozen assembly plants, worldwide, that produce the Fiesta. All of this requires a considerable amount of work.

In 2022, with Fiesta assembly fully discontinued in Mexico, Ford projects that it will build +200k Mach-E units for North America.
I would also imagine there is a strategy at play in terms of a sensible transition from ICE to EV. If Ford simply pumps out a crap load of EVs it will likely impact existing ICE inventories and sales. I.e., slowly ramp up EVs while slowly ramping down ICEs. That transition doesn’t need to happen overnight especially when the nationwide charging station issue is still looming. Not to mention the EV market is still tiny right now so why would Legacy manufacturers rush that transition.
 
I'd be amused if you would stop demonstrating how little you know about this business.

Ford is currently building the Mach-E in Cuautitlan. Prior to Mach-E final assembly, this plant was producing Fiestas for the global market.

The introduction of Mach-E final assembly meant that Fiesta production had to be offloaded. This was achieved, in part, by Ford's decision to discontinue Fiesta sales (along with all other cars save the Mustang) in the U.S. The remainder of the capacity relief is accomplished by reallocating production to the roughly half-dozen assembly plants, worldwide, that produce the Fiesta. All of this requires a considerable amount of work.

In 2022, with Fiesta assembly fully discontinued in Mexico, Ford projects that it will build +200k Mach-E units for North America.
That's a great press release. I hope they can pull it off. And it's 200K production capacity in 2022. They hope to hit that number in 2023.
You shouldn't edit after you copy and paste
 
Ford has 100 years of manufacturing expertise. The Mach E has been in production for over a year, and Ford has plateaued at 2-4K units/month. At that piddly volume, it's a loss on every vehicle. Demand is not an issue. By all accounts, the Mach E is a great car. Ask Ford if a car is a car.

Maybe copying Tesla's manufacturing techniques is the answer, but no one appears to be doing so.

This is not about making a great EV. This is about profitable volume production.

Manufacturing is hard.
Because current EV manufacturing and sales are an absolute determinant for future EV manufacturing and sales? Because Tesla never had a period of EV manufacturing and sales when it operated at a loss?
 
are battery capacities going to be the new horsepower bragging rights?

"it's not how much you have, it's how you use it"
 
That's a great press release. I hope they can pull it off. And it's 200K production capacity in 2022. They hope to hit that number in 2023.
You shouldn't edit after you copy and paste

A) Not copied and pasted, wrote it myself, so bend over backwards and lick your ass. You know you want to.

B) You're just crying because it doesn't fit your "Elon Musk is my future husband" narrative.

C) See (A), above.
 
GM has introduced the EV versions of the Blazer and Equinox, both to hit production in '23. The Cadillac Lyriq arrives this year, as do the Audi A6 e-tron and Q4 e-tron, as well as the BMW i4 and iX. Hyundai is taking orders for the Ioniq - which looks pretty sharp but has kind of a mediocre range (270).

The big car manufacturers will, by 2025, be producing a shitload of EVs. It should be really interesting to see, once that happens, how many people will want pay too much to order a car, online, that has misaligned panel gaps and a bargain basement interior.

But I'm sure Elon will figure it all out, right? Of course he will.
 
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