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OT:Louisville / NCAA tournament ban

If providing prostitutes to recruits equals a one year post season ban, maybe RU football should find some prostitutes.
Actually if that happened at Rutgers we would be kicked out of the Big Ten and the NCAA would come and implode the RAC, demolish the stadium and turn Old Queen's into a homeless shelter.
 
Actually if that happened at Rutgers we would be kicked out of the Big Ten and the NCAA would come and implode the RAC, demolish the stadium and turn Old Queen's into a homeless shelter.
There is no question this would be the end result for us. Amazes me in life how there are different rules for different parties and a different way of reporting/exposing/hammering by the media depending who you are.

SMH
 
There is no question this would be the end result for us. Amazes me in life how there are different rules for different parties and a different way of reporting/exposing/hammering by the media depending who you are.

SMH
It really is strange. I'd rather do things the right way, but hate that it seems there are so many schools who "get away" with minor slaps on the wrist for blatant abuse/cheating. If UNC doesn't get hammered in by the NCAA for what they've done, there's almost no more point in the NCAA being an oversight body. As I've said countless times, the only solution is the University Presidents showing some balls and taking control back and cleaning this mess up.
 
They probably had a team meeting and asked the players.."hey, would you like to play in the tourney or get laid this year instead so we can get this thing behind us?" [banana] they most have voted for the latter.
 
It really is strange. I'd rather do things the right way, but hate that it seems there are so many schools who "get away" with minor slaps on the wrist for blatant abuse/cheating. If UNC doesn't get hammered in by the NCAA for what they've done, there's almost no more point in the NCAA being an oversight body. As I've said countless times, the only solution is the University Presidents showing some balls and taking control back and cleaning this mess up.

To its credit, at least Louisville offered up self-imposed punishments/sanctions. In contrast, UNC continues to obfuscate, deflect, deny, and act as though their 23+ years of cheating is over and behind them, without ever apologizing to their conference members, the NCAA, the many teams it cheated out of victories and the associated $. They deserve as severe a penalty as the NCAA has available.
 
Trying to mitigate future NCAA sanctions.

Does Pitino have enough plausible deniability??
 
Did Julie know, obviously it's our fault...just going along with negative vibes
 
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Trying to mitigate future NCAA sanctions.

Does Pitino have enough plausible deniability??
This. The NCAA still has to do it's investigation they could accept their self imposed punishment or add to it. But the NCAA goes lightly on those who admit it, they'll probably lose an addition scholarship for a few years. This is one of their bread winners after all. UNC on the other hand hopefully will get the hammer thrown down. They basically have lied and tried to cover this up for years. USC may bitch about their sanctions, but they tried the same tactic as UNC and got caught. The NCAA doesn't like when you try to hide things from them but if you don't they tread lightly.
 
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Actually if that happened at Rutgers we would be kicked out of the Big Ten and the NCAA would come and implode the RAC, demolish the stadium and turn Old Queen's into a homeless shelter.
It'd be worth it just to force the administration to build new bball facilities.
 
UNC=University of NCAA Cash. No way the slam one of their biggest ATM machines.
 
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If providing prostitutes to recruits equals a one year post season ban, maybe RU football should find some prostitutes.
Only certain programs are allowed by the NCAA to provide prostitutes or pay players. When these special programs provide prostitutes and money to players, they don't get punished; Cleveland State and McNeese State get torn a new ass. What we've learned here is that Louisville isn't one of the special programs. If they were, this would have been swept under the rug.
 
media is going nuts saying its unfair/selfish Louisville did this self-imposed ban because now two seniors can't reach their team of reaching the tourney
 
I kind of feel for those two players, but they left their former teams for greener pastures... no one forced them to do that. They'll get over not making the NCAA tournament... there are hundreds of Rutgers players over there last 25 years who had those same unfulfilled dreams, and their lives didn't end.

After reading the article, it didn't make sense that the former assistant coach would just pay the escort out of his pocket for the parties. I imagine there was a handshake agreement that his salary was bumped up a little to pay out these expenses (though the article only talked about that one wire payment). To some degree, Pitino knew this was going on.

I think a reduction in number of scholarships over the next 2-3 years would be an appropriate punishment.
 
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To its credit, at least Louisville offered up self-imposed punishments/sanctions. In contrast, UNC continues to obfuscate, deflect, deny, and act as though their 23+ years of cheating is over and behind them, without ever apologizing to their conference members, the NCAA, the many teams it cheated out of victories and the associated $. They deserve as severe a penalty as the NCAA has available.
Penn State got away with a lot IMO, but they did get a punishment that was quick and decisive whether I agree with the penalty or not. The fact that they are sitting on UNC this long reeks of a no action taken. UNC should at minimum get a 3 year probation for Football and Badketball, and spare me the Woman's program because not cry many care.
 
The loose algorithm used is program success lessens the punishment. Loser schools get the book thrown at them. Pretty much the same as our nation's legal system when you think of it.

Media should roar about UL's ban. The school is doing what is best for them instead of what is best for the student athletes. A future scholarship reductions would have been more appropriate.

UNC's issue is unique since the courses found to be a facade were open to ALL students and thus not just a problem for the athletic programs. I just happened that they took heavy advantage of the easy grades.

What ever happened to the schools paying cash DIRECTLY for recruits like Miami, Oregon, Auburn, etc...??? Nada. Just the way it is.
 
The loose algorithm used is program success lessens the punishment. Loser schools get the book thrown at them. Pretty much the same as our nation's legal system when you think of it.

Media should roar about UL's ban. The school is doing what is best for them instead of what is best for the student athletes. A future scholarship reductions would have been more appropriate.

UNC's issue is unique since the courses found to be a facade were open to ALL students and thus not just a problem for the athletic programs. I just happened that they took heavy advantage of the easy grades.

What ever happened to the schools paying cash DIRECTLY for recruits like Miami, Oregon, Auburn, etc...??? Nada. Just the way it is.

"... UNC's issue is unique since the courses found to be a facade were open to ALL students and thus not just a problem for the athletic programs."

This is why the NCAA cast the UNC situation as "impermissible benefits" as it results in a much stronger case than to cast it as "academic fraud." Academic fraud is the purview and focus of the accreditation agency (SACS), which found gross negligence at UNC, resulting in the school being placed on a one-year probation, and that really is a big deal.

It is evident (per UNC's response to SACS and the Wainstein Report) that the AFAM scam originated to benefit MBB under Dean Smith, as 22 of the initial 25 students were his players. But others found entry, first FB, then other sports, as well as student managers, frat kids, etc. But the forged grade changes just involved athletes. And the fake classes actually involved five or so other departments beyond AFAM; it's just that Wainstein was directed by UNC to focus only on AFAM. He played UNC by publishing hundreds of incriminating emails as attachments to his report, effectively blindsiding UNC while protecting his professional integrity.

The latest UNC news deals with how the scandal has morphed into a whole new form: once the fake class scandal became public, it seems the FB program initiated a new scam wherein all incoming players were tested and.many classified as having ADD. The 2008 class, as an example, had a 61% rate of ADD diagnosis. This brings a number of benefits such as the student being assigned a "note taker," being given "take home" tests and extended deadlines, etc. In addition, these ADD players were prescribed meds that are akin to PEDs.

The reason the NCAA is taking so long on this is due to the depth and breadth of the original scandal, and due to how UNC has responded to date, denying, deflecting, obfuscating, etc, and spending lots of $ to best position themselves.

The NCAA is now in the "sentencing" phase: the COI has the case now, and they are taking their time and great care to make sure it's rock solid.

The new revelation per the ADD scam is in its infancy and came about as the result of a recent UNC data dump, in response to a public records request. See www.bluedevilicious.com for more, should this interest you. This new disclosure will gain some public traction/visibility in the coming weeks.
 
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#'s & Pinehurst right on tatget. Maybe a new explanation of the NCAA...Not Caring About Athletic accountability. Or to stretch it a little...North Carolina (can do) Anything Allowable.

I think most would admit that there are things that go on at every school which border on behaviour and actions not in the true spirit of what we all would like to believe is fair and appropriate. It is to what extent the rules are bent and abused that is the difference. And in many cases it's the unfortunate difference between winning and losing.
 
Gotta feel bad for Pitino. He didn't know anything about this stuff and now his name gets dragged through the mud and associated with the likes of Larry Brown and Jim Boeheim.

It's really unfair how the media picks on great programs like Louisville, Syracuse, SMU, etc.

They should get a pass for minor infractions like prostitution and academic fraud.
 
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Gotta feel bad for Patino. He didn't know anything about this stuff and now his name gets dragged through the mud and associated with the likes of Larry Brown and Jim Boeheim.

I assume you are kidding ... if not you HAVE to be kidding.

Pitino is a mealy-mouthed and scummy liar, I say. And his press conference comment that he has never seen anything so harsh as this penalty ... RIDICULOUS. The self-administered penalty is MILD, actually. The NCAA should penalize them even more ... like a multi-tear post-season ban, and loss of scholarships. Heck, RU lost scholarships (in basketball, football and a couple of other sports) back in the late 1990's and early 2000's WITH NO EVIDENCE of any wrong-doing, but due to a self report to the NCAA about a lack of accountability STRUCTURE on academic controls: Though RU found no evidence that any student athletes actually received any advantages.
 
Pitino also banned himself from late night table encounters with resaurant waitrrsses.
 
Is this the same shocked Rick Pitino that a few years ago was boffing some bimbo on a table in the back room of a restaurant? I can certainly understand his dismay, what the hell he got away with it.
 
I assume you are kidding ... if not you HAVE to be kidding.

Pitino is a mealy-mouthed and scummy liar, I say. And his press conference comment that he has never seen anything so harsh as this penalty ... RIDICULOUS. The self-administered penalty is MILD, actually. The NCAA should penalize them even more ... like a multi-tear post-season ban, and loss of scholarships. Heck, RU lost scholarships (in basketball, football and a couple of other sports) back in the late 1990's and early 2000's WITH NO EVIDENCE of any wrong-doing, but due to a self report to the NCAA about a lack of accountability STRUCTURE on academic controls: Though RU found no evidence that any student athletes actually received any advantages.
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I knew a guy from Reading Pa. Pitino was going after Donyell marshall at the time. Guy said to me he is going after more than Marshall. Thought it was interesting at time, guess Tricky Ricky was chasing a woman too.
 
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