I would also be ok- if we signed Pete and then just went on to add to the pitching staff and that would be my option 1 example.
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Add in the opt out clause with the extra annual money after year 5 and all the perks for the family and its a lot more than a "messly" 5 million.
I think the family perks and private suite are just minor things. Let's call the suite about $1 mil per season. No one has verified clothing and providing security is pretty much a corporate write-off anyway. They are just hiring or moving employees.
The opt out is interesting though. Who knows where the market is or what MLB has changed in how it has managed payrolls.
And- maybe Soto opting out in 5 years ends up a good thing for both sides or Met's buying it back for just $4 mil per year doesn't seem crazy 5 years from now.
so many variables and almost impossible to gauge. If he leads them to the playoffs at least 4 or 5 years and a possible WS Champ- then all monies are worth it. Even just a couple of playoffs pay off his contract.
Oh, I definitely think it's a no brainer for the Mets who needed a big "win" over the Yankees in perception and to build the future around. There's absolutely no way that having Soto on your team is not profitable! The question is does it lead to sustained success?
And I agree the opt out does add a huge variable into the equation. What does Soto look like as a player in 5 years? It's definitely going to be an interesting time.
Mean anything ??
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It means he's ready to make a $hit ton of money from somebody.
Per the post in the Yankee thread- Signing Bregman vs bringing Pete back would make no sense. Would cost more and draft picks and international money…
Well no it wouldn't cost more INTL money because we've already signed Soto. Would cost additional picks.
Tough call. I might prefer Bregman because above average D at 3B. Bats might be close. Alonso is Polar Bear though and still has been one of the best power hitters in the game. I know they may not want to DH Vientos full time but they could sign both and still have a payroll less than the last 2 years.
Bregman/Alonso - same age
Bregman has had 2 great seasons and they were quite a while ago. He is now a .260 25 HR 80 RBI guy on the corner - above average glove
Pete's worst year is 34 HR .240 88RBI - we can pretty much say he is a .240 35-45 HR 90-120 RBI guy on the corner with below average glove
Pete will cost less and we know he is a fan favorite and can handle NYC
Not sure if Pete will cost less but I see them both trending downwards but I think Pete will go bad quicker. I just like having at least one really good defensive corner infielder. Plus he had a bad year for what he’s asking and his negotiations are annoying me. I’d give him a take-it-or leave-it and move on.
.801 .777 .820 .804 .768 OPS
.817 .863 .869 .821 .788 OPS
Maybe Bergman doesn't drop as much as he doesn't have as far to drop. Pete's OPS actually dropped less that Bregman's did last year.
The only compelling argument to me is the duo of Vientos at 1b/Bregman at 3rd is a much better defensive duo than Vientos at 3b/Pete at 1b.
I saw an article that debunk the narrative that Pete is below average 1B. The author explained how the metrics are misleading. He clearly pointed out how some inferior players are considered average to above average, but somehow Pete's play says otherwise. Pete has been better than most in the areas used to judge the quality of the performance. Pete's range is greater than half those listed by the author, but gets hurt by it. Because Pete can get to more balls but doesn't turn them into outs, he is penalized for it. Others, who can't get to the same balls, are not hurt by the same metrics because it was beyond their ranged. Another example is Pete's ability to save bad throws. He may be the best in scooping throws, yet the author pointed out again how metrics claim he is not good at doing that. IMO, the narrative has morphed into facts when it's not really the truth. Now everyone is repeating Pete is no good defensively.
I actually have not seen him be a liability in the field or on the bases. But, you are right, everyone likes to say it is so it must be.
I guess when I made the statement it was partly giving up the argument as much as recognizing Bregman is better at 3B than Pete is at 1B.
With that said- Bregman has been on a downward trend offensively since 2019 when his whole team had career years...He is still a good hitter but he is now a .260 25HR guy without much speed While Pete is a .240 35-45 HR guy. and in 2023 even with the low ba he still hit 46 hr 118 rbi
I am not disputing what you are saying. But from everything I have read, rightly or wrongly, Pete is perceived as a below average defender BY THOSE WHOSE OPINIONS MATTER.
I hate the phrase "Perception is reality." Perception is not reality. But sometimes perception is more important than reality.
Ex-Met Carlos Baerga, who now does Spanish language radio for the Guardians, has reported that the Mets have offered Alonso 3 years at $90M, with annual opt-outs.
If true, he may be well advised to take it. Those opt-outs have value, as Sean Manaea has shown.
If true, he may be well advised to take it. Those opt-outs have value, as Sean Manaea has shown.
Fielding is more about the eye test than metrics. Clutch play matters as well. A guy like Jeter made clutch plays but was consistently below average at times in metrics, but it was tolerated due to other things he brought to the table. If you' re a regular Mets watcher, you'll know as good as anyone how his defense is.
Now this would be something. I assume Vientos as DH with this scenario? Add in Sasaki too and that's an amazing haul.
Well, if anyone were to tell me that we were going to replace him with Hernandez or Olerud in their day - then I drop Pete in a nano second.
But I am unaware of anyone currently available that could do that.
Also- as much as it may not make baseball sense- the fan part of me wants a guy that can put up some Met numbers that mean a damn thing. We have had only 4 guys hit 200 HR and not a single player with either 1000 runs or rbi...
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