OT: New York Mets 2024-2025 Off Season Thread

[Doctor Worm]

Quiz time! Yesterday Mendoza made the following statement about a certain Mets player:

"He's going to have a big role. He's going to have a huge role."

CAN YOU GUESS WHO?

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Quiz time! Yesterday Mendoza made the following statement about a certain Mets player:

"He's going to have a big role. He's going to have a huge role."

CAN YOU GUESS WHO?

Vogey back ???

 

[Doctor Worm]

Vogey back ???

Off by about 100 pounds.

 

[RAHWAYBOB]

Off by about 100 pounds.

If Acuna's September was for real, he can be a big help in '25.

 

[Doctor Worm]

If Acuna's September was for real, he can be a big help in '25.

BINGO! Mendoza made that statement about Acuna. Kind of shocking since I didn't (and still don't) think he is a lock to make the opening day roster.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Here is what I think: The day when I give one single fvck about anything Joe Benigno says, is the day that... well, I'm not sure what day that is. But it ain't today. Not looking too good for tomorrow either.

Yo Bro, lololol

 

[BigEastPhil]

How dare they offer him a $158 million contract that he was forced to turn down and then, over a year later after he chose to go on the open market, not agree to the earlier of his ever-decreasing contracts demands.

Pete signed up for this when he hired Boras. You don’t sign with him without knowing that negotiations just like this are a possibility.

I understand your point and I agree with it as well.

However if Alonso does indeed leave - what is the alternative plan?

Are you comfortable with Vientos at 1b - a position he has never played - and Baty and / or Mauricio at 3b ?

I’m not !

Hence why I want this contract with Alonso to get done.

3/80 seems fair given given reported Mets offer of 3/68 and current market values for 1b

Problem is Mets are probably bidding against themselves and Boras shooting for deal with an AAV of $30 m.

An inflated 1 year deal is what it may end up at via these stalled deals with Boras clients !

 

[tico brown]

https://www.essentiallysports.com/m...so-for-blue-jays-star-angers-mets-radio-host/

What do you guys think?

🤬🤬🤬🤬 Joe Beningo and WFAN

 

[tico brown]

The 'highly assymetric against us" comment is interesting. I assume this has to do with Boras demanding one or more opt outs. Cohen probably responded with OK then we need the option to extend. Boras said no, and Cohen said FU.

Was Alonso’s biggest mistake was hiring Scott boras?

 

[willisneverrana43]

I understand your point and I agree with it as well.

However if Alonso does indeed leave - what is the alternative plan?

Are you comfortable with Vientos at 1b - a position he has never played - and Baty and / or Mauricio at 3b ?

I’m not !

Hence why I want this contract with Alonso to get done.

3/80 seems fair given given reported Mets offer of 3/68 and current market values for 1b

Problem is Mets are probably bidding against themselves and Boras shooting for deal with an AAV of $30 m.

An inflated 1 year deal is what it may end up at via these stalled deals with Boras clients !

If the Mets are probably bidding against themselves, there’s no one else to win.

As to letting him go, I take a broader view. Fans are terrible GMs, always have been, and always will be. When the front office is doing what the fans want, it’s a bad sign. Always.

Now Stearns has a terrific track record with the Brewers and their lack of resources, and did very well in year one with the Mets—certainly better than most fans were predicting when they were self-mutilating before last season, much as some are now. So I trust his decision-making process more than the panicked “well if we lose this guy or don’t sign that guy we’re screwed” thinking that fans have every off season.

So I don’t need to have a plan. And, by definition, my plan will suck. I’m just glad we have a guy in charge whose plans don’t suck, in fact generally turn out to be excellent, and are backed by the most money in the league.

 

[rubaseball78]

David Wright? Too bad about the injury. He’s not getting in.

Would you rather have Scott Rolen or David Wright on your team?

 

[Doctor Worm]

Was Alonso’s biggest mistake was hiring Scott boras?

Nope. His biggest mistake was turning down 7/$158M, which he did before either Boras or Stearns were in the picture.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Ridiculous demand
Pete opts out and would get bonus for opting out

Pete Alonso's agent reportedly making certain contract demand during Mets talks

Alonso's path to returning to the New York Mets just keeps getting more complicated.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[Doctor Worm]

Ridiculous demand
Pete opts out and would get bonus for opting out

Pete Alonso's agent reportedly making certain contract demand during Mets talks

Alonso's path to returning to the New York Mets just keeps getting more complicated.

www.yardbarker.com

Well that is certainly asymetric.

 

[BigEastPhil]

If the Mets are probably bidding against themselves, there’s no one else to win.

As to letting him go, I take a broader view. Fans are terrible GMs, always have been, and always will be. When the front office is doing what the fans want, it’s a bad sign. Always.

Now Stearns has a terrific track record with the Brewers and their lack of resources, and did very well in year one with the Mets—certainly better than most fans were predicting when they were self-mutilating before last season, much as some are now. So I trust his decision-making process more than the panicked “well if we lose this guy or don’t sign that guy we’re screwed” thinking that fans have every off season.

So I don’t need to have a plan. And, by definition, my plan will suck. I’m just glad we have a guy in charge whose plans don’t suck, in fact generally turn out to be excellent, and are backed by the most money in the league.

Not having an alternative plan is a big problem !

The argument against your post is that the Mets do want Alonso back as it’s not solely the fans wanting him back.

As the cards are now - the Mets are a better team with Alonso than without him given the current roster and given the current free agent options.

Boras knows this and hence the current stalemate !

 

[BigEastPhil]

The 'highly assymetric against us" comment is interesting. I assume this has to do with Boras demanding one or more opt outs. Cohen probably responded with OK then we need the option to extend. Boras said no, and Cohen said FU.

It’s possible but I think another possibility is Boras wants a lot more money upfront for Alonso - either with upfront AAV and / or bonus with opt outs - thus a one sided contract that favors Alonso and not the team

 

[willisneverrana43]

Not having an alternative plan is a big problem !

The argument against your post is that the Mets do want Alonso back as it’s not solely the fans wanting him back.

As the cards are now - the Mets are a better team with Alonso than without him given the current roster and given the current free agent options.

Boras knows this and hence the current stalemate !

What big problem? Who says that they don't have an alternative plan? More than an alternative plan, I'm confident that they have a broad plan on how to build the system and the team, and that fans are just reactionary.

Next you say that the Mets do want Alonso back. Again, that's amateur fan talk. I'm sure that the Mets have a broad plan and that Alonso fits into it at the right price, years, and terms, but then that he doesn't fit into it when those things are wrong.

But you think differently and are announcing the ways in which the Mets will be better or worse, all focused on Alonso. Forgive me if I put my money on Stearns and not a fan getting that right.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Would you rather have Scott Rolen or David Wright on your team?

Your question walks directly past the issue of his injury and how his productive years were cut short. So, for instance, if I were to remain quiet about that too and simply assume that you're talking about the 2014-18 David Wright, I get to easily say Rolen.

That's the point, isn't it? David was on his way but the injury killed any chance he has for the Hall. Now, if the first 10 years of David's career had been like Koufax's first 10 years, he'd be in. But he wasn't that good, and then his production fell off the cliff with the injury. So I don't see him getting in.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Phillies should sign Alonso
45 125 RBI
NLCS MVP

 

[Doctor Worm]

Phillies should sign Alonso
45 125 RBI
NLCS MVP

Bryce Harper called and suggested that the money might be better directed elsewhere.

 

[BigEastPhil]

What big problem? Who says that they don't have an alternative plan? More than an alternative plan, I'm confident that they have a broad plan on how to build the system and the team, and that fans are just reactionary.

Next you say that the Mets do want Alonso back. Again, that's amateur fan talk. I'm sure that the Mets have a broad plan and that Alonso fits into it at the right price, years, and terms, but then that he doesn't fit into it when those things are wrong.

But you think differently and are announcing the ways in which the Mets will be better or worse, all focused on Alonso. Forgive me if I put my money on Stearns and not a fan getting that right.

“Amateur fan”talk that Mets want Alonso back?

Stearns and Cohen both said the negotiations have been exhaustive - worse than Soto!

“The Professionals “want Alonso back ! Hence the negotiations!

It’s the correct decision to bring him back at least for this year - albeit Vlad Guerrero decision being deferred to next year - because it makes the Mets better for this year !

 

[willisneverrana43]

. . .

“The Professionals “want Alonso back ! Hence the negotiations!

. . .

Again, at the right price, years, etc. Otherwise, they won't sign him.

At this point, I'm not sure of your position. Are you saying to pay him whatever he wants for however many years with whatever opt outs he wants? If not, what exactly are you saying?

 

[rufeelinit]

Where are the Mets with finishing the bullpen? I saw an article today that Stanek has interest from the Cubs and Cards. I thought he was good in some high stress situations down the stretch and in the post season. I assume the Mets have decided to part ways?

 

[Zak57]

I think Mets will sign one more pen arm. I was hoping for a Robertson reunion. After that they'll be done. I don't see Stanek returning at this point but we'll see.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Again, at the right price, years, etc. Otherwise, they won't sign him.

At this point, I'm not sure of your position. Are you saying to pay him whatever he wants for however many years with whatever opt outs he wants? If not, what exactly are you saying?

I agree with you per the above.

Alonso contract should be above market value - in my opinion - given his homegrown status / fan appeal and known certainty that he can handle NY.

As I posted previously, I feel 3/80 hopefully should be sufficient given Christian Walker signed 3/60 deal.

Mets offered 3/68 so both sides now need to compromise and give in somewhat on their demands.

Soto was grossly overpaid so a little overpayment to Alonso should and cam occur. Give him his opt outs as well.

 

[BigEastPhil]

BINGO! Mendoza made that statement about Acuna. Kind of shocking since I didn't (and still don't) think he is a lock to make the opening day roster.

At worst he should open the season as righty platoon at 2b and hopefully take over the position full time by seasons end.

Spring training starts soon and so does Spring Optimism !

 

[yesrutgers01]

I agree with you per the above.

Alonso contract should be above market value - in my opinion - given his homegrown status / fan appeal and known certainty that he can handle NY.

As I posted previously, I feel 3/80 hopefully should be sufficient given Christian Walker signed 3/60 deal.

Mets offered 3/68 so both sides now need to compromise and give in somewhat on their demands.

Soto was grossly overpaid so a little overpayment to Alonso should and cam occur. Give him his opt outs as well.

Here is the quandary- Alonso just isn’t getting other offers but take a good look at how the lineup looks with him in it rather than not.
With Alonso- this is a monster lineup. Without him, it just isn’t.