Isn’t that like someone living in a trailer in West Virginia saying “please humble me with 40k a year?
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Mets Re-Engage in Talks With Pete Alonso; Francisco Lindor Wants Team to Keep Him
Saturday's war of words looked messy from an outside perspective but actually might result in some progress in negotiations. Following New York Mets owner Stev
Do the Mets run the risk of upsetting their stars like Lindor or Soto who is expecting the Mets to field the best possible team for a World Series run? Even signing someone else short term, the Mets will field a weaker team and how will that sit with fans?Lindor says end the BS
Mets Re-Engage in Talks With Pete Alonso; Francisco Lindor Wants Team to Keep Him
Saturday's war of words looked messy from an outside perspective but actually might result in some progress in negotiations. Following New York Mets owner Stev
Only Jett and Sproat will be PPI eligible this year. Have to be on 2/3 of the top 100 prospect lists from Pipeline, BA, and ESPN. They were the only 2 that have accomplished that. We have several others that were on at least one of the lists.
I would rather Alonso back but if we don't and they spread that money around 2,3,4 more guys the outcome will be relatively similar even though it won't be as much star power. Stearns is going to go into the season with a certain projected win amount and he's going to hit or come close to that amount whether it's option A Alonso or option B spread money. Basically what the Yanks did when they lost out on Soto.
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Pete Alonso free agency buzz: Steve Cohen ‘back in conversation’ with slugger’s camp
Here’s the latest on where free agent Pete Alonso could end up, with a Mets reunion possible...
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NY Mets bringing back Ryne Stanek, one of their key relievers, report says
Ryne Stanek, one of the key members of the Mets' bullpen in their push toward the playoffs, will be returning to the team on a one-year deal.
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Projecting NY Mets' 2025 lineup with and without Pete Alonso in Queens
There remains two clear paths for the Mets with the start of spring training looming: one without Pete Alonso and one with him.
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Mets’ Steve Cohen made a Pete Alonso move right after ‘brutally honest’ comments
Mets owner Steve Cohen continues to stay aggressive in free agent market
What 2-4 guys making $4-6 million protect Soto/Lindor?
Winker gets $9 mil and he is a non factor in comparison-
Soto,Lindor need a hitter other pitchers have to think hard about…
Maybe he should just sign the offer then. This is so ridiculously dramatic. Mets made a fair offer, there's no other suitors. He already has life changing money. The Mets lineup is 100 times better with Alonso in it, even if he's trending downward.
I think that's fine too. It's not like Cohen doesn't have the money or it's going to ruin the books for the season. He wants to be a lifer, that's rare enough these days.
There's more to it than protecting Soto. Lindor is going to be leading off so that won't matter. Alonso's bat has been declining as has been mentioned a million times. Stearns will make up for the shortfall through multiple other pieces if it comes to that. Alonso was worth 2.1 fWAR last year. Hypothetically adding Mountcastle alone at also 2.1 fWAR would equal Alonso at a much cheaper price and that's before adding another semi high priced pen arm and better bench bat. It's possible going that route adds more to the team than Alonso alone.
Did they make this lineup already...would have expected Nimmo, Soto, Lindor as 1/2/3 and then Vientos 4 no one after that or Alonso at 4 and Vientos at 5...
Having Alonso, Vientos batting after Nimmo/Soto/Lindor is the real protection.
And for the love of F(WAR) lol - How does a guy without a single stat except for BA above Pete's worst year ever, have anything that can show me he is his equal with the bat?
The most runs MC has ever scored is 77 - Pete's worst is 81 The most HR's MC has ever hit is 33 and Pete's worst is 34 Most RBI MC has ever had is 89 Pete's wort year was 88 MC's highest OBP is .328 and Pete's lifetime is .339
Lindor took off in the leadoff spot last year so I figured Mendoza would keep him there. Very possible that won't be the case.
It's not about career highs when taking a yearly fWAR amount. Last year taking everything into account fWAR considers them worth equal at 1B. They have Alonso better offensively than Mountcastle. Mountcastle worth more defensively and not that much below offensively which closed the gap.
Again I personally do want Alonso back at the right price but if Stearns pivots to something like Mountcastle plus some other goodies it doesn't necessarily mean the team is downgraded.
Lindor leads off stats off charts after becoming leadoff hitter
Lindor SS
Vientos 3B
Soto RF
Pete 1B
Nimmo RF
Alvarez C
DH Marte Winker
2B mcneil Acuna
Siri CF
Lindor SS
Vientos 3B
Soto RF
Pete 1B
Nimmo RF
Alvarez C
DH Marte Winker
2B mcneil Acuna
Siri CF
Alonso will be in Mets camp at the start of Spring Training. If it takes Alonso and Cohen working it out and Pete telling Boras to fork off then I'm all for it. Pete wants back and Cohen wants him back.
My bad- long week…lol just moved and a 2 day move took 6 days. My mind blanked out Lindor leading off…
Though, same thing applies- 5 strong at top of the lineup is so much stronger than just 4.
I’m still not getting it…Last year- how is Mountcastle not that much below Pete? And if his defense makes up for it - MC better be Hernandez level…because his offense is McNeil level…
And I’m not sure if Mountcastle matches last year and I am pretty sure Pete will be better this year.
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Agree with @Doctor Worm, guy is a moron.
I say this every time his name is mentioned…how the hell does this guy have job in this industry.
Actually, it is well documented how Joe Benigno got his job. He had been a frequent caller to WFAN (Joe from Saddle River) and had a bit of a cult following. WFAN ran a contest, offering a guest-host spot as the prize. Benigno won. That added to his cult status, and he was eventually offered the WFAN overnight gig.
I can see how he might appeal to the overnight audience. What is less clear is how he has had continued appeal to the broader audience.
I actually misread the numbers, my apologies. Alonso was 2.1 and Mountcastle was 1.5 last year so Pete was more valuable overall. Out of all qualified 1B last year that puts Pete 11 and Mountcastle 13 for some perspective.
Alonso 122 wRC+ last year. Mountcastle 108 was the offensive difference. Pete has been getting worse year by year with the bat so would be surprised if he turns it around but anything is possible. Mountcaste has more youth on his side. I'm only trying to show some perspective about Pete. Defensively Mountcastle is seen as the better 1B.
My point regardless though is they if they don't re-sign Pete, Stearns is going to go shopping for other players that might contribute to be more valuable to the team as a whole even if it's not going to come in a package of one player like Pete. Mountcastle or whoever they decide to bring in. I still think Pete is back anyway.
One thing that this saga has shown, is that Cohen's appetite for payment of 110% luxury tax is not unlimited. Previously, we had wondered whether Cohen had any budgetary restrictions at all. We now know that he does. His budget may be different from everyone else's (with the possible exception of the Dodgers), but it is not unlimited.
My theory is that once Cohen and Stearns broke the bank for Soto, they had pretty much given up on re-signing Alonso for the $150M+ that he wanted. But Alonso's market never materialized. So now Cohen and Stearns are looking to buy opportunistically, on the cheap if they can. If they can't, no big deal, they weren't planning on it anyway.
My theory is that once Cohen and Stearns broke the bank for Soto, they had pretty much given up on re-signing Alonso for the $150M+ that he wanted. But Alonso's market never materialized. So now Cohen and Stearns are looking to buy opportunistically, on the cheap if they can. If they can't, no big deal, they weren't planning on it anyway.
I know that.
But my question still stands. One shot, maybe. A real job out of it…head scratching.
Stats don't support Mountcastle or any other (free agent) out there to add more to the Mets lineup. This is a case of both sides are a fit for each other, but stubbornness is holding them back.
How is Pete being stubborn? Nimmo signed a long-term contract at 30. He has a history of not staying healthy, and he was average as a centerfielder. Yet Pete, in his worst season, was a bulldog in playing just about every game and putting up solid offensive numbers besides average. The Mets bided against themselves in Nimmo's case. They are not bidding against themselves with Pete, but they are lowballing him. Giving Pete a 3-year $75 million deal is not overpaying him. It's a fair short-term deal and only a few million above what he was making.
Was Stearns the GM when Nimmo got his deal? Nimmo was also coming off a GG like CF so positional value is much higher. The marlet every off-season is also different. The comp is apples and oranges.
From all reports Mets have offered the best deal to Alonso and it might be his best deal by 10 millon+. The Mets should keep going up just because? Alonso has totally mis-calculated his value multiple times and it certainly seems like he doesn't want to admit it and take the current best deal out there. Why should the Mets also give an opt out after 1 year so they can be in this position again next year? Pete does well and he opts out and Mets get nothing out of the deal.
Nimmo’s market might have been higher than Pete’s. Mets aren’t going to bid against themselves.
In discussing player contracts in the free agency era, there is one word that I suggest we all lose from our vocabulary.
That word is "fair".
Fairness has nothing to do with anything. What Pete may deserve or not deserve is irrelevant. You get what you negotiate. And for whatever reason, Pete's negotiating position sucks right now.
The Mets can keep going, but this is a case of cutting your nose off to spite your face. We keep hearing Vientos would move to first, but who covers 3B? Bergman? Baty? Mauricio? Bergman wants more than Pete. Baty and Mauricio are younger but haven't displayed enough to say the Mets are better off without Pete. Pete does need to get his @ss in gear and take control of his "out-of-touch" agent. IMO, Boras likely played a role of Pete turning down the 7-year $160 million deal before last year. Having experience switching agents while playing Arena ball, I know firsthand how the new agent contacts you while you have an agent. It's cutthroat and all about agents making the most from players who can attract strong interest from teams.
Fair should not be dropped. I've been in negotiations where the team drops some mean sh8t about you to get the upper hand while devaluing you. Fairness is all the player has.
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