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OT: New York Mets 2024-2025 Off Season Thread

One thing that this saga has shown, is that Cohen's appetite for payment of 110% luxury tax is not unlimited. . . .
It was never unlimited.

But the thing that Pete's free agency has shown is that his numbers, particularly the advanced stats, have declined, not improved, over the last 2 or 3 years. And the league knows it. You can see it in his hitting. He's still productive, but as much as anyone on the team, he can be pitched to. He has the most fundamental of flaws, one that a pitcher knows to attack from Babe Ruth league onward. Heat high, hard and often in; breaking stuff low and away. He seems to have become more, not less, vulnerable to this. The best use of his time this off season may not be talking to Boras. He should take a page out of Vientos's book, get in the cage every day with a pitching machine that throws breaking stuff away and fastballs high and hard. Get the right revolutions on the ball. And just see it and see it and see it and see it. Of course, maybe he's doing this. I hope so. It seemed to work for Vientos.
 
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It was never unlimited.

But the thing that Pete's free agency has shown is that his numbers, particularly the advanced stats, have declined, not improved, over the last 2 or 3 years. And the league knows it. You can see it in his hitting. He's still productive, but as much as anyone on the team, he can be pitched to. He has the most fundamental of flaws, one that a pitcher knows to attack from Babe Ruth league onward. Heat high, hard and often in; breaking stuff low and away. He seems to have become more, not less, vulnerable to this. The best use of his time this off season may not be talking to Boras. He should take a page out of Vientos's book, get in the cage every day with a pitching machine that throws breaking stuff away and fastballs high and hard. Get the right revolutions on the ball. And just see it and see it and see it and see it. Of course, maybe he's doing this. I hope so. It seemed to work for Vientos.
In today’s modern baseball, 102 mph fastballs with 97 plus common, combined with 90 mph breaking stuff and change ups at the same speed the average fastball was in my day.
Pretty much takes age old hitting fundamentals out of the game…. Stay back and keep your front shoulder in didn’t work against Nolan Ryan, now most the league is Nolan Ryan.
The Yankees new closer throws 103.

Vientos is 25 and catching up with the fastball with incredible god given reactions.
There ain’t no teachable mechanics that will help you with a 92 mph 2 strike slider on the black.
Pete is so big and strong if he hits 240 he’s 40 120….sign him
 
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No matter where Fat Pete lands, he needs to fire Boras ASAP. That loser cost him a lot of money.
Scott Boras has been called many things. One that he has NEVER been called, until now, is "loser". And with good reason. Boras is at the very top of his profession.

BTW, Boras was NOT Alonso's agent when he reportedly turned down a 7 year offer in 2023.
 
Scott Boras has been called many things. One that he has NEVER been called, until now, is "loser". And with good reason. Boras is at the very top of his profession.

BTW, Boras was NOT Alonso's agent when he reportedly turned down a 7 year offer in 2023.
If we want to believe the rumors that agency told Pete to take the deal as well.
 
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In today’s modern baseball, 102 mph fastballs with 97 plus common, combined with 90 mph breaking stuff and change ups at the same speed the average fastball was in my day.
Pretty much takes age old hitting fundamentals out of the game…. Stay back and keep your front shoulder in didn’t work against Nolan Ryan, now most the league is Nolan Ryan.
The Yankees new closer throws 103.

Vientos is 25 and catching up with the fastball with incredible god given reactions.
There ain’t no teachable mechanics that will help you with a 92 mph 2 strike slider on the black.
Pete is so big and strong if he hits 240 he’s 40 120….sign him
It is amazing to me that the new age stat geeks...don't understand this. Most likely never faced above a small school HS pitcher in their lives either. Speaking of the numbers you just mentioned. Healthy deGrom may have been the nastiest pitcher in the history of the game. Consistent 102 and could put it anywhere- 97 slider, breaking balls at 94 and a 90-92 changeup...And he could paint any of them and he was just nasty enough that you couldn't try to did in either.

Everyone talks of Pete's 2 year drop- Imagine anyone saying 46 HR 118 RBI is a dropoff. And I do believe over the next 3- he will most likely be right in that .240 40 110/120 space. Just sign him
Fat Pete is a friggen mountain of a man.
Hardly fat
TKO and a couple of other posters like to say this all the time and just makes them confirm their ignorance.
 
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Sounds like Mets are talking trade with SD for either Cease or King.
Get one of them, lock up Pete and they are a hell of a team.
 
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Vientos is 25 and catching up with the fastball with incredible god given reactions.
There ain’t no teachable mechanics that will help you with a 92 mph 2 strike slider on the black.
Pete is so big and strong if he hits 240 he’s 40 120….sign him
Zap,

I'm just parroting what Vientos himself said about his improvement this past year over his previous stints in MLB. He said that he did what I just described and did it for the first time and it helped him with pitch recognition and laying off the breaking stuff away and out of the zone. But maybe he was just coming up with something to tell reporters.

And, despite this, I'm still behind re-signing Pete. His worst year is a very good year.
 
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Huge piece of lineup
A good year from him would really make lineup much deeper

Let's not forget he's still only 23 and we know catchers take a lot more time to develop their full game with all they have on their plate. Big things still to come for sure.
 
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I was just watching the 1964 Mets' highlight film.
There's a scene in which Ron Hunt is shown to be signing autographs left handed,something that you wouldn't expect from a right handed throwing and batting player.Could he have taught himself to do this upon reaching star status?
 
Zap,

I'm just parroting what Vientos himself said about his improvement this past year over his previous stints in MLB. He said that he did what I just described and did it for the first time and it helped him with pitch recognition and laying off the breaking stuff away and out of the zone. But maybe he was just coming up with something to tell reporters.

And, despite this, I'm still behind re-signing Pete. His worst year is a very good year.
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I’m sure Vientos did it and I’m sure he thought it helped him.
Mattingly used to hit off the tee for an hour before games when he was still a kid.
My dad used to tell him “you swing the bat like Stan Musial kid, and it ain’t because you wear yourself out hitting of that tee”
 
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Looks like OMG time is over with Madrigal signing 😢


 
Looks like OMG time is over with Madrigal signing 😢
That is the conventional wisdom, but I am not convinced.

The Mets signed Madrigal to a split contract. From the club's standpoint, this is very low risk. Madrigal only makes major league money if he is in the major leagues. If he is not, he'll get some contractually agreed upon figure which is more than the standard minor league pittance, but less than MLB minimum. Figure about $300K.

Madrigal may turn out to be the 2025 version of Zack Short or Joey Wendle.

And maybe the 2025 version of Jose Iglesias will be Jose Iglesias. Unlikely IMO, but the probability is > 0%.
 
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That is the conventional wisdom, but I am not convinced.

The Mets signed Madrigal to a split contract. From the club's standpoint, this is very low risk. Madrigal only makes major league money if he is in the major leagues. If he is not, he'll get some contractually agreed upon figure which is more than the standard minor league pittance, but less than MLB minimum. Figure about $300K.

Madrigal may turn out to be the 2025 version of Zack Short or Joey Wendle.

And maybe the 2025 version of Jose Iglesias will be Jose Iglesias. Unlikely IMO, but the probability is > 0%.
What is it that Iglesias is looking for that is keeping him from being signed?
 
Any recent news on The only Mr. Unanimous HOF'er? Asking for a friend.
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