I want Cashman fired. He keeps making the same mistake over and over and over again. Time to move on.
OT: New York Yankees 2022-2023 Off Season Thread
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That doesn't explain his high "K" rate, runners on or not. I just think he wore down not taking time off chasing the HR record. In fact with men on, they'd pitch around him more. No runners on, he had pitches to hit and was just awful.
He is a 170 k guy anyway but it felt like he tried to win every playoff game with a 6 run HR each AB
The funny thing is that there were some awful bats in the Yankees lineup that I often wished would strike out if they were up with men on base and less than two outs rather then hit into a double play. I can recall one game in particular where they hit into six double plays. Sometimes a strike out isn't the worst thing that can happen.
Sometimes. But it is still better than 100% of the time nothing good happening with a strikeout. Besides its boring as hell. My last time at Yankee Stadium was April 3rd, 2019. Yankees struck out 18 times!! Trust me a double play and less strikeouts would be way more entertaining. Swore I'd never go back until Cashman is gone with his stupid analytics program. Don't miss it at all.
MLB insider’s 4-point plan to save the Yankees has big lineup change and potential pitfall
The Houston Astros beat the New York Yankees, 6-5, in Game 4 of the American League Championship Series on Sunday at Yankee Stadium to advance to the World Series.
Some four-point plan: Sign Judge, Verlander, Edwin Diaz, and Carlos Correa.MLB insider’s 4-point plan to save the Yankees has big lineup change and potential pitfall
The Houston Astros beat the New York Yankees, 6-5, in Game 4 of the American League Championship Series on Sunday at Yankee Stadium to advance to the World Series.www.nj.com
Let's hope Cashman is on the case. 🙃
NY Post had a similar stupid article. Buy there way out of it. Totally ignore all the other problems. I'm sure nothing could go wrong with this plan 😳MLB insider’s 4-point plan to save the Yankees has big lineup change and potential pitfall
The Houston Astros beat the New York Yankees, 6-5, in Game 4 of the American League Championship Series on Sunday at Yankee Stadium to advance to the World Series.
Another narrow minded bandaid that is trying stop a hemorrhage.
They also are ignoring the finciancial implications. Currently sitting at $160 million salary with just 8 players with signed contracts including just 1 pitcher (Cole). Judge alone will push it close to $200 million making 9 players. The rest of the roster plus the other 3 in this plan would make this a $300+ million payroll. Great idea for long term success.
Maybe Mets fans shouldn't be posting about how to fix the Yankees.
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Judge’s end of season performance reminded me of the year when he was on fire first half of the season…then did the home run derby…and in the process completely screwed up his swing. His push for 62 had him chasing junk and couldn’t break the habit by the time the playoffs rolled around. Honestly, I’m sick of the home run and Yanks have proven you can’t win a championship based on long ball. It’s like the 3-pointer in basketball - it seems great until you go cold or perimeter defense shuts it down.
He actually tried to move Hicks b4 the trade deadline. If it's at all possible, Hicks will be in a different uniform come spring training.
For you guys that live and die with the Yanks, would love to know what you hope to see this off-season outside of fire everyone and get rid of the whole team.
Judge is the priority but so many other things need to happen. What should be the approach for 2023? Is Rizzo also a FA this year?
Judge is the priority but so many other things need to happen. What should be the approach for 2023? Is Rizzo also a FA this year?
I love Judge as much as the next guy, but anything beyond 8 years will be a mistake. With his size, the body will start to break down in 3-4 years, imo.
And really, if losing in the ALCS is the ceiling, start over.
And really, if losing in the ALCS is the ceiling, start over.
I’m for signing Judge. However, you can do a lot with that money.
Let Judge go if by some miracle the Yanks could do a deal to get Ohtani. Then lock him up for 10 years. He is one guy that would bring in a lot more revenue then Judge.
I am surprised with all this Ohtani talk. From
what I remember Ohtani never had an interest in the Yankees. He wanted west coast only for logistics reasons. He may show interest now
just to raise the price to get more from California.
Oh all those years on that team which is run horribly certainly changed his mind. He wants out. He wants to win and get paid like the Superstar he is. Not many teams can do that. He would be a gold mine on the Yankees and in Japan wearing the pinstripes
Maybe The Yanks can shock the world and sign both. I remember when the Yanks had multiple
super stars on their teams.
We have a better chance of hitting the PowerBall tonight. Hal and the family are cheap.
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Much more realistic will be signing Judge and go after Turner or Bogarts. Turner/DJ/Judge/Rizzo/Stanton - starts sounding much more like you expect with the Yanks.
Try this:
make a list of the top 3 starters between the Yankees roster and the Astros roster.
make a list of the top 9 hitters between the Yankees roster and the Astros roster.
make a list of the top 3 relief pitchers between the Yankees roster and the Astros roster.
The Astros win was not an upset.
Just to put in my 2 cents.
The Padres clear over $50 million off their books for next year. Clevinger, Manea, Myers, Bell and Drury are all FAs. Out of all of them the first three are no brainers to let go. Bell is 50/50 and I hope that they keep Drury. They don't have to worry about paying Soto for another two years and Preller loves to make the big splash so don't be surprised if they try something for Judge or Ohtani.
The Padres clear over $50 million off their books for next year. Clevinger, Manea, Myers, Bell and Drury are all FAs. Out of all of them the first three are no brainers to let go. Bell is 50/50 and I hope that they keep Drury. They don't have to worry about paying Soto for another two years and Preller loves to make the big splash so don't be surprised if they try something for Judge or Ohtani.
As much as I love Judge, I’d have to agree that Ohtani is such a unique player that he would be hard to pass up. Judge’s playoff performance was about as bad as it gets for a guy that was chasing the triple crown until the final days of the season.
I never said it was an upset. Did you quote the wrong person? Astro’s were the 2nd best team during the season and very difficult for anyone.
and what sucks- watch them all go cold during the World Series
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I don’t think Yanks went cold. They are a team of hitters that crush mediocre pitchers and can’t generate rallies because they don’t make contact enough. Although I will say that without DJ and Benintendi in the line up the Yanks were toast before that Astros series started.
Just give me a batting lineup where 50% of the outs aren't KOs.
how about a lineup where there is no way in hell you bat Judge 2nd because there are 2 guys on the team that can get on base in front of him. Missing DJ was a big loss.
Let me ask- with your current contracts- FA's(yours and others) - maybe some trades and what is in the minors- what do you think would be the way for the Yankee's to go.
I don't think they are going to just Sign Judge, deGrom, Diaz, Nimmo, trade or Otami- get rid of Donaldson and hicks contracts. etc.
How should they approach the off season?
Ohtani is a pipe dream. He is signed for $30M next year and won't be a free agent until 2024 when he will be 29 and looking for $45M per year - assuming he does not injure his pitching arm.
Judge is not worth $40M per - but that's likely what it will take to get him. Probably at least 7 years - likely more.
If we can't somehow re-sign Judge, I instead call up Dominguez, sign a contact hitting free agent OF and throw money at a higher end starter to build a kick-ass rotation. I eat the rest of Donaldson's contract and try to trade other dead weight - even if I have to throw in some lower level assets to make it work. I also look to bring up 2 or 3 top prospects to bring more energy to the team.
Here's the realistic outlook - IMO still likely won't beat the Astros
Definitely Gone - Britton, Chapman
Likely Gone - Gonzalez, Taillon, Green, Castro, Carpenter
OF (dead weight to trade - Hicks, Florial (believe it or not - still only 24 years old)
RF - Judge (offer $40M @ 7 years) - Cabrera as backup
CF - Bader - Judge/Locastro as backup
LF - Free Agent or Dominguez (Stanton as backup)
4th OF - Cabrera
5th OF - Locastro
DH - Stanton (rotate other players as backup)
Free Agent Options
- Benintendi
- Nimmo
- Greg Allen
- Conforto (hey - why not take a look - Astros offered 2 years $30M in August which he declined)
INFIELD (trade fodder - IKF, Torres, Higashioka)
1B - Rizzo (up the ante to $20M) (DJ as backup)
2B - Cabrera / Volpe (DJ as backup) - likely that Torres will still be in the mix if they can't trade him
SS - Peraza (Cabrera / Volpe as backup)
3B - Free Agent - Turner/Arenado/Longoria (DJ as backup)
C - Trivino, Wells (Rortvedt as 3rd Catcher option)
STARTING PITCHERS
1) Cole
2) Severino - pickup $15M Team Option
3) Cortes
4) FREE AGENT
5) Montas
Potential Free Agent Options (here's where it gets interesting depending on who opts out) -
- Bauer (player option - on suspension til 2024 - but being appealed)
- Sale (player option)
- Verlander (player option)
- deGrom (player option)
- Kershaw
- Bassitt
RELIEVERS (Trade Fodder - Leutge, Abreu, Garcia, German, Schmidt)
- Use Trade bait (Torres or Volpe, Floriel, IKF, Higgy, German, Abreu etc......for higher-end reliever)
- Loaisiga
- Holmes
- King (target return from injury in March/April)
- Marinaccio
- Peralta
- Effross
- Weissert
Great response- and interesting, I was thinking about how Conforto could actually be a great addition to the Yankees if he is healthy. But he will most likely want 20 mil plus.
But his left handed bat and being a good RF, would be attractive.
Reading the options sounds like the Cashman/Steinbrenner plan. Depressing. Stop signing old guys. Love Rizzo but the Yankees need to rebuild. Ohtani is a steal next year at $30 million. Pay him right away. Pitching is a bonus at some point he becomes just a fielder. Who cares? The money he produces is crazy.
Ohtani is already signed by the Angels for next year and bringing up 3 top kids from the minors is rebuilding
Ohtani has already asked to be traded months ago. He wants out of a losing organization.
Never understood why Trout wanted to stay there.
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