Also, Judge significantly underperforms in the playoffs. Compare his playoff stats to regular season stats.
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Don’t think there would be any playoff stats for the Yankees if he was playing somewhere else last year…so, there is that.
mine of the problems this year, if you lose him, there aren’t that many non SS’s that are even close to Judge
That's very true. However, it's going to be nearly impossible for him to replicate similar stats this season. If it wasn't for a shitty playoffs, he would have literally had a perfect season in a walk year. Healthy? Check. Home run record? Check. High average? Check. Good defensive year? Check.
As long as the Yankees don't pocket his salary slot, they could possibly improve next year I think. Build depth so we don't have to rely on the Carpenter's of the world to bail us out when people get hurt.
Completely understand- the trick will be navigating how to even replace what would be a normal Judge Season(let's call it .285 40 HR 110 RBI) great defense etc with the current crop of FA's. Even if they spend the 40 mil they would have to pay Judge, on Mult players.
Also- you also have to either replace or sign Rizzo too.
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I think the Yankees will match annual but as you stated- length may be the issue. Also, if Yankees and Giants both offer exact same contract, that is where it would get interesting
I wonder what would happen if they beat the Giants offer but, depending on the length of the contract, included buy-out clauses (i.e. 5 mil. per year), for the final few years.
If I am Judge, he knows this will pretty much be his last contract...So, 7 years or 8 years...If I am him, I take the contract that provides the highest total compensation.
But...I would also have to realistically weigh on which market is also going to provide the most off field $$$ as well
It wasn't just the length it was the stupidity, insulting offer that they would buy out his last arbitration year and only pay him their arbitration offer not Judge's request of a few million more. The stupidity of Cashman offering an extention and buying out the last year of arbitration that didn't meet the players number is insane. Cheap!!
With Judge's injury issue- maybe the right business move but the wrong PR move by announcing what would seem to be a great offer for an injury prone guy.
It may even be the single moment(ok, outside the booing) that he walks.
Cashman should have just left the offer as non public information which was a ploy to make club look good and player look selfis.
Respect is one of the easiest and cheapest thing to give these players. The Yankees have done a bad job in recent years in this regards. Leaking the Judge contract details, the arbitration debacle - I wouldn't blame him if he just walked, especially if the money is better. California taxes are gonna hurt though.
Worse the NYC?
But agree that the Yankees basically ignored Judge for years. Then threw a last minute, poorly put together contract. Then release the details to try and shame him.
Interesting thing with pro sports that is a pain in the ass but does make the discussion about state taxes a little less of a difference maker.
You file taxes for each state that you played a game or series in. Even during spring training- you pay for where the facility is.
so, even if you sign with a team located in a no state tax state- when you play the Yankees in NYC- you are going to pay those taxes, not your home state.
major PIA when filing at the end of year though.
Depends on whether they live in NYC for which is worse. No separate tax for LA.
Funny, about 15 years ago Ohio tried to assess income tax on an NFL player who was on IR and didn't make the trip. They lost, but never underestimate their attempts to collect tax on someone who doesn't vote in that state
Yeah- my son had that too- he went on IR the last couple of games of his first year. And I forget which state it was but the Jag's played a road game and one state tried to assess their taxes on him even though he was IR and at home.
IR is essentially the same as workers comp or short term disability. Player/employee gets a % of contracted salary and is paid out from the state of their employer.
At least in the NFL- there are only 8-10 states you have to file for- I could't imaging all the states each year in baseball.
First domino drops - Yankees resign Rizzo for 2 years and a club option. 17 million a season, 6 million dollar buy out in year 3.
On the negative side, they lose Stephen Ridings as a free agent to the friggin Metsies.
Oh well, can't protect everyone.
Who???
Claimed off waivers. I'm sure his 2 innings of contributions in 2022 can be replaced.
Rizzo is a good piece of the team...he is the kind of guy that may also attract other FA's- very well respected and liked in MLB.
His average dropped but showed Yankee power, and a very big plus defensive and in the locker room.
The locker room impact is huge, especially if they end up playing some of the kids this year. I think it's possible you can see Peraza, Cabrera and Volpe all at the big club this year. With Dominguez a year behind.
On another note, it seems like the Yankees are trying to raise the value of Verlander by getting involved with him and making the Astros pay more to retain him. Verlander and Upton would be must watch TV in NY though.
They essentially missed out on 2 World Series by not trading/signing Verlander the last 2 times. Could Cashman be so stupid to swing and miss a 3rd time?
The killer is that the guy is only looking for a 1 or 2 year deal at max dollars. The Yankees should be all over those kinds of players.
Sorry that you never heard of this guy. The Yanks loved his stuff. Top notch fastball. He got hurt but was rumored to be a possible call up near the end of the season when he was supposed to finally be healthy and the Yanks were looking for a boost for their bullpen. Let's hope this isn't another Nathan Eovaldi or Garrett Whitlock.
Btw, they also left unprotected two of their top catching prospects....Anthony Siegler and Josh Breaux. Like I said....can't protect everybody.
I'm not sorry at all. Yankees have a ton of always injured players. He is easily replaced
Love Rizzo power numbers but his avg was brutal all season, too many guys in the lineup hitting low 200s. Rizzo might be part of the bait to get judge back, also the captain tag.
Well you broke your promise anyway dumbass. I read it already. Funny a Mets fan saying a Yankees doesn't know about the Yankees minor league. My who? was sarcasm. You missed that I followed up with info on him. Typical dumb Mets fan. You say you come to talk baseball on here but you are just a f-ing troll. Go back to the Mets thread. You can talk over there of the Mets going dumpster diving to pick up a kid on waivers. 🤣🤣🤣
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I like Rizzo returning. Besides great power numbers he plays the field very well and this is a very team friendly contract. Who else could they have acquired? All of them have flaws. Along with his increase in home runs was a jump in strike outs. What could improve his average substantially is the no shift rule.
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Hmm. Good point, the no shift rule will impact certain players (like Rizzo).
Not close...I did troll a specific person and then took it down as I am not going to get back into the stupid fights with him.
And if you go through the thread, if you see anything outside of good fair Yankee/baseball talk, then let me know as I do not believe there has been any.
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