OT: NY Mets Season

[Knight Shift]

Wacky season for NL East. Favorites to win it, Nationals, are treading water. Scherzer is sh!tting the bed. Whoever would have guessed the Braves (beating the yankees tonight) would be leading the NL east with the Phillies nipping at the heels and the Mets swimming with whale turds?

 

[BigEastPhil]

Players to be dealt:

- Zach Wheeler
- Asdrubal Cabrera
- Wilmer Flores (no tears this time)
- Seth Lugo

- And Familia...how can I forget Armando 2.0

 

[Knight Shift]

- And Familia...how can I forget Armando 2.0

Reyes for a bag of rosin

 

[ruready4somefootball]

If the Mets really are going to trade a couple of starters,then keeping the AL races close will only help the Mets extract more from Boston,Houston,Seattle and Cleveland. Here's to hoping the Mets in some small way, can help decide which AL team makes the World Series!!!

 

[RuBird]

Reyes for a bag of rosin

Too high a price. You are undervaluing Rosin

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Too high a price. You are undervaluing Rosin

What sealed the deal for me was when he didn't run full speed to 1st the other day.When your hitting as bad as he is,you don't take plays off.

 

[Knight Shift]

That 11-1 start this year was so sweet.
But it seems more distant than the 1986 World Series.

We have the Rutgers football season to look forward to. And good news-- the Mets will not be a distraction from RU football in October.

 

[Foads]

As was the case last year. the players most likely to be dealt or released are the ones on expiring contracts. That would be Familia, Cabrera, Bautista, Mesoraco, Blevins, and Reyes. Familia would bring back a return comparable to Addison Reed last year - three midlevel prospects. Cabrera would be like Neil Walker - one midlevel prospect. Maybe Mesoraco brings back a midlevel prospect as well. That's about it.

I can definitely see Wheeler and Flores being traded. Both are free agents after 2019, and neither is in the club's long term plans. However, neither will bring much in return.

Cannot see Mets trading Lugo. Contending teams want guys with track records, which he doesn't have. No way he will bring back fair value. IMHO he's the type of guy you keep and build around.

I like Mesoraco and hope the Mets keep him. The others you listed can all go and hopefully soon.

Every day I wake up and don't have an alert that the Mets released Reyes, I just shake my head. Rosario is starting to act like him, which is not a good thing.

 

[formerlyknownasrutgers100]

Fire Mickey, cut swarzak, and gesselman. Trade wheeler and degrom because they don’t deserve this

 

[Doctor Worm]

Did anyone notice that the little American flags on the players' sleeves were BACKWARDS? The stars were in the upper right quadrant instead of the upper left.

My God they can't get anything right.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Fire Mickey, cut swarzak, and gesselman. Trade wheeler and degrom because they don’t deserve this

Mickey is not getting fired this season. However, if a new GM is hired during the offseason from outside the organization, all bets are off.

Swarczak is under contract for next season at $7M and isn't going anywhere.

Gsellman could get sent down to work things out. Not that there's anybody better to bring up though.

Maybe deGrom and/or Wheeler will be traded and maybe they won't. Whatever helps the team. Whether they "deserve better" has nothing to do with anything and should not be a consideration.

I type this while watching Wheeler's post game interview. He has more grace and class than I will ever hope to.

 

[formerlyknownasrutgers100]

Mickey is not getting fired this season. However, if a new GM is hired during the offseason from outside the organization, all bets are off.

Swarczak is under contract for next season at $7M and isn't going anywhere.

Gsellman could get sent down to work things out. Not that there's anybody better to bring up though.

Maybe deGrom and/or Wheeler will be traded and maybe they won't. Whatever helps the team. Whether they "deserve better" has nothing to do with anything and should not be a consideration.

I type this while watching Wheeler's post game interview. He has more grace and class than I will ever hope to.

Obviously my post was not real suggestions to the general manager lol

 

[waretown]

Did anyone notice that the little American flags on the players' sleeves were BACKWARDS? The stars were in the upper right quadrant instead of the upper left.

My God they can't get anything right.

its a military thing, the flag forges foward

 

[Rokodesh]

The Mets will not win 50 games this year, guaranteed. Mickey should’ve been fired a month ago. As long as he continues to accept this garbage, bet the mortgage on the other team. This is comically bad

 

[Rokodesh]

Mickey is not getting fired this season. However, if a new GM is hired during the offseason from outside the organization, all bets are off.

Swarczak is under contract for next season at $7M and isn't going anywhere.

Gsellman could get sent down to work things out. Not that there's anybody better to bring up though.

Maybe deGrom and/or Wheeler will be traded and maybe they won't. Whatever helps the team. Whether they "deserve better" has nothing to do with anything and should not be a consideration.

I type this while watching Wheeler's post game interview. He has more grace and class than I will ever hope to.

You can’t possibly keep mickey around for year two, he’s one of the worst mistakes I’ve ever seen in baseball. Couldn’t be more over his head. Keeping him as the coach for another season isn’t even a question. He shouldn’t finish the season. Do you think ANY successful team would keep this f’n clown around for two years? Hell No.

All of your scenarios are just continuing one of the lowest periods in the franchise’s history. People on this board thought they would win 80+ games. They won’t even win 50. You need drastic changes.

 

[rurahrah000]

They continue to be a heartless, gutless and leaderless team. 7 runs to the Blue Jays in the 7th and 8th inning?

 

[Knight Shift]

Did anyone notice that the little American flags on the players' sleeves were BACKWARDS? The stars were in the upper right quadrant instead of the upper left.

My God they can't get anything right.

It's right. See what waretown said. Good explanation here:
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/why-is-the-u-s-flag-worn-backwards-on-army-uniforms-3357002

However, in the Mets' case they should have white flags on their uniforms. They are unidirectional and more fitting.

its a military thing, the flag forges foward

Correct. It is a point of confusion.

 

[RuBird]

Dave Eliland seems to be a good pitching coach........for the starting pitchers. Maybe we can split the duties like co offensive coordinators. Let someone work with the relief pitchers. (Yes this is sarcasm).

 

[Doctor Worm]

its a military thing, the flag forges foward

Did not know that, thanks. Still unclear to me why MLB would adopt military convention here. Is that appropriate? Seems kinda like saluting the flag, which is reserved for military (and I think veterans) only.

 

[Doctor Worm]

They continue to be a heartless, gutless and leaderless team. 7 runs to the Blue Jays in the 7th and 8th inning?

Being reliefpitcherless is not the same as being heartless, gutless, and leaderless.

 

[Doctor Worm]

The Mets will not win 50 games this year, guaranteed.

If you're offering even money wagering on that guarantee, I'm in.

 

[Rokodesh]

If you're offering even money wagering on that guarantee, I'm in.

Lol even money would be 60 games. They already have 33 wins, I’m saying they won’t win 17 more the remainder of the year. That requires greater odds.

 

[RuBird]

Lol even money would be 60 games. They already have 33 wins, I’m saying they won’t win 17 more the remainder of the year. That requires greater odds.

I’ll take the bet and here is how the get to 61 wins.......the weather. After our starters get us the lead and we go into the 7th, then we all do a raindance. Game is official but in in the books the Mets Win!

 

[Doctor Worm]

Today MiLB.com (the minor league version of MLB.com) issued its NL midseason grades. I was pleasantly surprised to see that they gave the Mets a "B" grade. Here is their summation:

This is far from a top-to-bottom loaded group, but the Mets have made plenty of positive strides in 2018. They had no players in MLB.com's Top 100 rankings to start the season, but 19-year-old shortstop Andres Gimenez has emerged in St. Lucie while Peter Alonso might be one of the biggest breakout stories in the Minors this year after mashing his way through the Eastern League with 15 homers before moving up to Las Vegas. Top pitchers in Justin Dunn and David Peterson have each earned midseason promotions as well, and Anthony Kay is healthy after elbow surgery. Jeff McNeil might not be ranked but joins Alonso as one of the Minors' best hitters in the first half. Though the expectations might have been low, Mets farmhands have been able to accomplish plenty this season.

 

[Zak57]

TJ Rivera sighting. Playing for St. Lucie tonight. Please let this mean Reyes will be cut within the next week.

 

[RuBird]

TJ Rivera sighting. Playing for St. Lucie tonight. Please let this mean Reyes will be cut within the next week.

Can’t like this post enough!

 

[Doctor Worm]

C'mon guys. I know that Reyes is a popular whipping boy right now, and he has been very bad. But he's a bench player. Having TJ Rivera replace him on the bench may be an incremental improvement, but it really won't move the needle very far.

Besides, I doubt RIvera would be a direct replacement for Reyes. If the Mets cut Reyes, they would need a backup shortstop, a position Rivera has never played in the majors. Mets would have to make a second drop (Kaczmarski?) and a second add (Guillorme?)

Mets have a whole lot bigger problems than Jose Reyes.

 

[RuBird]

C'mon guys. I know that Reyes is a popular whipping boy right now, and he has been very bad. But he's a bench player. Having TJ Rivera replace him on the bench may be an incremental improvement, but it really won't move the needle very far.

Besides, I doubt RIvera would be a direct replacement for Reyes. If the Mets cut Reyes, they would need a backup shortstop, a position Rivera has never played in the majors. Mets would have to make a second drop (Kaczmarski?) and a second add (Guillorme?)

Mets have a whole lot bigger problems than Jose Reyes.

Maybe a bench player but well known to not be a good clubhouse player

 

[Knight Shift]

C'mon guys. I know that Reyes is a popular whipping boy right now, and he has been very bad. But he's a bench player. Having TJ Rivera replace him on the bench may be an incremental improvement, but it really won't move the needle very far.

Besides, I doubt RIvera would be a direct replacement for Reyes. If the Mets cut Reyes, they would need a backup shortstop, a position Rivera has never played in the majors. Mets would have to make a second drop (Kaczmarski?) and a second add (Guillorme?)

Mets have a whole lot bigger problems than Jose Reyes.

.173 cough cough cough.
0/July
.161 June
.132 May

Thor has a lifetime batting average higher than Jose.

 

[Zak57]

C'mon guys. I know that Reyes is a popular whipping boy right now, and he has been very bad. But he's a bench player. Having TJ Rivera replace him on the bench may be an incremental improvement, but it really won't move the needle very far.

Besides, I doubt RIvera would be a direct replacement for Reyes. If the Mets cut Reyes, they would need a backup shortstop, a position Rivera has never played in the majors. Mets would have to make a second drop (Kaczmarski?) and a second add (Guillorme?)

Mets have a whole lot bigger problems than Jose Reyes.

There are only 25 roster spots. Ideally you want your best most ready players using those spots. Reyes is not one of them. An upgrade to the roster is an upgrade.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Maybe a bench player but well known to not be a good clubhouse player

How do you know that? Honest question, not rhetorical. Has anyone in the know - people who cover the team and are in the clubhouse - ever made that insinuation?

We do know that Reyes has a strong influence on Rosario. Whether that influence is good or bad, is a fair question. But I am not sure any of us knows the answer.

Outside of Rosario, I really don't know whether any Mets players care all that much about Reyes one way or the other.

Besides IMHO, clubhouse chemistry is overrated anyway. I care more about physics - the physics of hitting and throwing a baseball.

 

[Zak57]

How do you know that? Honest question, not rhetorical. Has anyone in the know - people who cover the team and are in the clubhouse - ever made that insinuation?

We do know that Reyes has a strong influence on Rosario. Whether that influence is good or bad, is a fair question. But I am not sure any of us knows the answer.

Outside of Rosario, I really don't know whether any Mets players care all that much about Reyes one way or the other.

Besides IMHO, clubhouse chemistry is overrated anyway. I care more about physics - the physics of hitting and throwing a baseball.

Which Reyes can't do anymore. Hit or field.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I am not defending Reyes. I'd be fine with DFA'ing him tomorrow. All I'm saying is don't expect it to change things much.

The moves I would make:

1. DFA Reyes and bring back Kelly, who is more versatile and certainly no worse.
2. Option Kaczmarski, who isn't playing anyway, to free up a roster spot for Rivera when he is ready to return.
3. When (not if) Cabrera moves on, bring up McNeil and hand him the 2B job until he proves he can't handle it.

 

[RuBird]

How do you know that? Honest question, not rhetorical. Has anyone in the know - people who cover the team and are in the clubhouse - ever made that insinuation?

We do know that Reyes has a strong influence on Rosario. Whether that influence is good or bad, is a fair question. But I am not sure any of us knows the answer.

Outside of Rosario, I really don't know whether any Mets players care all that much about Reyes one way or the other.

Besides IMHO, clubhouse chemistry is overrated anyway. I care more about physics - the physics of hitting and throwing a baseball.

Can’t say I know Reyes personally but I can say where there is smoke there is fire. Numerous reports over the years

 

[Knight Shift]

This post on MetsBlog from SNY is worth a read:
https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/on-the-mets-trade-competition-available-managers-and-more/284361028

Speaking of managers...

Joe Girardi, 53, and Buck Showalter, 62, are expected to be looking for new managerial gigs in 2019. So, if you're concerned about Mickey Callaway and hope a new front office will consider making a change, bringing in one of these two veteran managers will be worth chewing on...

 

[RU4Real]

This post on MetsBlog from SNY is worth a read:
https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/on-the-mets-trade-competition-available-managers-and-more/284361028

Speaking of managers...

Joe Girardi, 53, and Buck Showalter, 62, are expected to be looking for new managerial gigs in 2019. So, if you're concerned about Mickey Callaway and hope a new front office will consider making a change, bringing in one of these two veteran managers will be worth chewing on...

 

[Foads]

Why is it that every other team that had Reyes was able to and actually got rid of Reyes quickly? The Marlins, Blue Jays and Rockies all dumped him pretty quickly. Yet the Mets just let him linger on the bench corrupting Rosario.

 

[Zak57]

I am not defending Reyes. I'd be fine with DFA'ing him tomorrow. All I'm saying is don't expect it to change things much.

The moves I would make:

1. DFA Reyes and bring back Kelly, who is more versatile and certainly no worse.
2. Option Kaczmarski, who isn't playing anyway, to free up a roster spot for Rivera when he is ready to return.
3. When (not if) Cabrera moves on, bring up McNeil and hand him the 2B job until he proves he can't handle it.

Very well thought out but for now just cut Reyes and call up McNeil

 

[Doctor Worm]

Very well thought out but for now just cut Reyes and call up McNeil

Disagree. Don't do with McNeil what was done with Guillorme, i.e., call him up to sit on the bench. Wait until Cabrera is gone, then play him every day. Besides, if you cut Reyes you need a backup SS, and I don't think McNeil is that guy. He's only played 37 games there his entire minor league career.

 

[Doctor Worm]

This post on MetsBlog from SNY is worth a read:
https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/on-the-mets-trade-competition-available-managers-and-more/284361028

Speaking of managers...

Joe Girardi, 53, and Buck Showalter, 62, are expected to be looking for new managerial gigs in 2019. So, if you're concerned about Mickey Callaway and hope a new front office will consider making a change, bringing in one of these two veteran managers will be worth chewing on...

If the new Mets GM (assuming it's not one of the current troika) decides to go that route, that would bring the total of guys who have managed both the Mets and the Yankees to five. Who's gonna be first, without looking it up of course, to name the other four? Anyone who calls himself a Mets fan should get three; the fourth is tougher.