A well-reasoned response.
I guess it comes down to: do you think the Mets will be contenders in three years, or will it take longer? If the latter, how sure are you that you can re-sign Syndergaard, who is a free agent after 2021?
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I guess it comes down to: do you think the Mets will be contenders in three years, or will it take longer? If the latter, how sure are you that you can re-sign Syndergaard, who is a free agent after 2021?
That is a fair point. Rosario has several bad habits and one of them is that he gives up on ground balls that he doesn't think he can beat out. This is not new, he's been like that since he came up.
IMHO this is not on Reyes, this is on Callaway. And if Callaway perceives that Reyes is part of the problem, then it's on him (and on the triumvirate) to do something about Reyes.
None of us know whether Reyes is a BAD influence on Rosario, and I think it's unfair to assume that he is. However, it's clear that Reyes is not a GOOD ENOUGH influence on Rosario, to justify keeping Reyes around despite his substandard performance.
When you're #1 prospect comes up to the majors with flaws that should have been corrected earlier, ultimately you have an organizational problem which hopefully the next GM will address.
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Honestly, I don't think most people appreciate how poorly the Mets are positioned for the future. They have two teams in their own division, the Braves and the Phillies, who are currently battling for the division lead and also have farm systems that are ranked within the top five in baseball. The Mets have a consensus bottom five farm system and at the big league level they have good starting pitching and nothing else. Trading DeGrom now would give them four or five high quality prospects. Thor would bring three in the offseason or maybe four next year if he stays healthy. The Mets need to build up the farm instead of half-assing their way through one poor season after another. From a WS appearance in '15 followed by a wild card loss in '16, they've done a) nothing to bring in top end players through free agency, or b) nothing to build the farm system in the meantime. Every offseason, it's been wash, rinse, and repeat as far as going bargain basement shopping in the free agent market. Now they want to do the same thing as last year- trade aging position players on expiring contracts. Nobody needs that. Contenders are all looking for pitching- relievers the Mets don't have, or starters the Mets won't trade.
If you want to get great players to build with, you have to give up something of great value. Right now, starting pitching is the greatest need for any contending team outside of Houston.
At the end of the day, the Mets have too many holes to really contend with what the organization has (or will be willing to pay for) in the foreseeable future. Management's problem is that they refuse to choose to go all in with either choice of spending to get a top notch roster or blowing everything up to build a top notch roster. As long as they do neither, they will never get any better.
If you want to get great players to build with, you have to give up something of great value. Right now, starting pitching is the greatest need for any contending team outside of Houston.
At the end of the day, the Mets have too many holes to really contend with what the organization has (or will be willing to pay for) in the foreseeable future. Management's problem is that they refuse to choose to go all in with either choice of spending to get a top notch roster or blowing everything up to build a top notch roster. As long as they do neither, they will never get any better.
The Mets coaches are going to coach 'em up. Oh wait. . . [roll]
The problem is...it doesn't seem like any team out there is willing to give the Met's fair trade value for deGrom. If I am the Met's I put him out in front of the Yanks and BoSox and say which one of you wants him more. If neither start an offer with their number 1 guy, you keep him and sign him for 4-5 years before this season ends. And if you do that, sign Thor as well. Don't wait for their walk years and lose them for nothing.
As for Reyes...he is such a non factor. Makes no sense to me when people even mention him as part of the Met's problem. Would I currently keep him on the roster, no f-ing way, but that is because of performance only. If Rosario is slacking, put it on Rosario and the manager, not another player.
Ces - they HAD to sign him. But WTF...this guy used to never miss a game until he became a Met. Bruce- his PF in his feet is a killer.
I would love to be able to keep Wheeler and Matz but these are the guys that I would use for top prospects. Familia as well. Cabs is having a year where he may be able to do the same for us as well. Those 4 guys could go a long way in helping shape the future. Sign the two top pitchers because if they stay healthy, both are Cy Young type guys. And can we please go get a A list FA this year.
You're counting on the Mets getting fair trade value for their pitchers. The Mets haven't shown the ability to seek fair trades and other teams aren't always treating NY teams fair. Just look at Harvey to Cincy situation. The Mets were so concerned about getting rid of him, they really got nothing back in exchange.
Some overlooked facts:
What everyone should focus on with the Mets is finding a way to get the Coupons to sell the team to an owner who cares. Then you can hire a real GM knowing you can wheel and deal on even ground with other teams. No more penny-pinching.
If Reyes is somehow on the 25 man roster then he is a problem that you can not ignore, especially if you want to start a youth movement. Wasn’t that why the got rid of Gonzales? Their numbers were pretty much the same, putrid
One has history with the team, and the other doesn't. Reyes is the only player in team history to win a batting title, and he'll go down as one of the greats for the Mets. I think Mets and Reyes are holding on till the end of the season to announce his retirement. Trying to save some dignity in a lost season.
Is it worth it it he brings Rosario down with him? Those who say Rosario is at fault I question then why not also find fault with Reyes?
First, I'm not saying keeping Reyes is right. Second, Rosario is his own person, and if another person can influence you to that degree, it says more about Rosario than it does about Reyes. Besides, I've never heard Reyes was a cancer in the clubhouse. Reyes was always considered the one player full of energy to pick everyone up.
Then we must be hearing different things. Also seeing different things. Tired of Reyes loafing it. Reason why young players have mentors. To learn from them. If they knew it all the would not need the help. Believe me Rosario is also at fault but why continue this? Because Reyes won a batting title? Ancient history gets us nowhere.
Mentors advise you on what to do, but in the end, it's still the responsibility of the mentee to make the right decision. You are right these days Reyes loafing, but his first appearance with the Mets was full of energy, and he led by example. Don't blame Reyes. It should go to Callaway and Sandy. How else do you not have a player not bunting in a situation that requires it? Oh, because you don't prep the players to do their jobs. The fundies are not a priority, and it shows. The buck stops with management and not the co-workers.
So you want Rosario to take responsibility but not Reyes and say it’s managements fault and not the coworker? Rosario (and any student) should have more chances to make mistakes and learn from them with the mentor’s help. How about Reyes doing a better job as both mentor and player. If he can’t then certainly dont wait until the end of the season. Do the honorable thing and walk away for the better of the team. Why are people saying that about Wright and not Reyes? Could care less what they did in the past,care more about the present.
What excuse could Rosario use next year when Reyes isn't around? There is an old saying, are you your brother's keeper? If your brother commits a crime are you going to take responsibility for it? I don't think so, why do you continue to blame Reyes for Rosario's faults? It makes you look like you have an ax to grind with Reyes. Also, more established players are not responsible for being mentors for young players. Fans assume that is standard protocol. They are both pro athletes fighting for their professional lives. That is all anyone should expect from them. It appears you have no idea of what it is to be in competitive sports.
So tell me why you have mentors? True story my mom taught for 40 years. About 30 years ago she took a young college grad under her wing. This new teacher at age 22 was suppose to teach students who were 17 and 18 years old (special education no less). This new teacher made her share of mistakes and owned up to them. With every mistake my mom not only encouraged her but showed her by leading by example how to become a better teacher. My mom did win teacher of the year but three years later chose to retire. She said she wanted to go out “on top” before she could not give her best to her students and fellow trachers. That former 22yr old and I have been happily married 26 years. My mom introduced us on a blund date. Even though my mom passed now over two years ago, Terry to this day still talks about what she learned from my mom.
Mentors will always have a special place in my heart for the job that they do
Right before the Yankee pre-game on WFAN I heard an ignorant Yankee fan say he had a great trade, fair to both teams. I always listen hoping they really got something. Wanted EVEN UP, Sonny Gray for Zac Wheeler,unF'n real. STOP BEGGIN!!!!
Great story, but you're trying to imply an idea built around a person guiding someone who is not a threat to your livelihood. Reyes plays the same position as Rosario. I guess you didn't see what Ben Roethlisberger had to say about being a mentor to a guy who's in to take your job. In sports your shelf life is short, so being the buddy of someone trying to take your job isn't ideal.
Reyes batting .180 and loafing around the bases is more of a threat to him then Rosario will ever be. Well aware of Big Bens comments. Numerous other positive stories of being a mentor
Three areas to grade Reyes on I will put them in order of most importatant
1. What is Reyes doing now?
2. How is Reyes in clubhouse/mentor?
3. What did he do in the past?
So far he is 1-3 which by the way is roughly 150 points over his current average.
I was at the game today. It was ridiculous to the point of being comical. All the fans were rooting for Eovaldi to throw a no-hitter.
For Father’s Day my daughter bought us tickets for tomorrow’s game. Turned into a doubleheader. Does she hate me twice as much:sunglasses:
Funny, that's exactly why I went today - Father's Day Daddy-Daughter gift.
DeGrom is a great pitcher but I really think you're overstating what they could fetch for him in a trade. 4-5 HIGH level prospects? Like top 20 from an organization? Come on man. Remember what Seaver brought back in return?
LOL- Matt Harvey is born again:
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24031734/mlb-matt-harvey-made-quality-trade-target
2.48 ERA with the Reds. Can the Mets trade the manager?
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24031734/mlb-matt-harvey-made-quality-trade-target
2.48 ERA with the Reds. Can the Mets trade the manager?
I agree with current reports that a deadline trade for either is highly unlikely. New GM will evaluate in off season, which is when blockbusters like this generally occur. At least in theory, the market opens up in the offseason, because hope springs eternal. More teams believe they are contenders in the offseason, than actually prove to be contenders in July.
Good rehab assignment for Syndergaard today in Brooklyn. Five innings, 71 pitches, one run, two hits, seven K's. Had a rocky first inning where he walked the leadoff batter who came around on a WP. He attributed that to getting used to the mound, which was not to his liking. Settled down after that. My guess is his next start occurs one borough north.
You have a hard-on for Reyes. There are more pressing needs for the Mets, but all you can focus on is Reyes. Reyes cost the Mets $2 million. Meanwhile, a more significant problem is Cespedes and his $30 million. The Mets are paying him to watch from Florida, and it's been like that for the last two years. Bruce is another problem at $11 million and no production. Still, in your eyes, Reyes is the biggest problem for the Mets.
Also, when it comes to mentoring younger players, it's a bonus. Not a requirement like you believe. Each level you go up in sports, receiving advice from older players is not a given especially if that older player is fighting to keep his spot on the roster. It's a business.
@cubuffsdoug is right-- Mets have much BIGGER problems that Reyes. Bruce and Cespedes are huge issues.
Instead of debating the facts I laid out as to why Reyes should be cut, you say I have a “hard-on for him”? Why do you love him? His batting title? Why are you blindly looking past Reyes’ negative influence on Rosario? Many older players saved their jobs, as their skills decline, if they at least have a positive influence in the clubhouse and help mentor. Reyes is batting .180 and showing Rosario exactly what not to do!
Where did a ever say Reyes is the only problem or even biggest problem for that matter? Ces. And Bruce are hurt and have huge contracts. No GM is cutting them or getting anything for them in a trade, plain and simple. As of now Reyes is an easier fix, so many complain about a youth movement. You keep saying Mets will wait until end of year. Ask most Met fans, would they rather see Reyes everyday,who is a shell of who he was during his batting title, or see one of the youngsters get a shot?
Stop saying things like “I think it is a requirement” that he is a mentor. It certainly would help his cause if he was a better one. If Reyes was playing anywhere near what he played in the past then it is a whole lot easier to keep him. Right now (and for the entire season) he has brought nothing.
Any good GM knows (yes we can agree Mets don’t have one) you need to fix ALL problem you have not just wait until the bigger ones are solved. Bruce and Ces. Should not be tied to what needs to be done with Reyes
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Lots of problems on the team. Fix what you can now. McNeil should be playing right now over Reyes. Our better pitchers are at least another full year away
And no one is saying Reyes is the biggest issue. It's a simple fix to cut him for minimal dollars and yet because of crappy ownership and bad front office management we refuse to do so. It gets more complicated with cespedes and Bruce. Every roster spot is valuable and should be upgraded if you have dead weight on the team.
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