I don't know why, but yeah I hate 'em. HATE 'EM!!!!!!! GAH...the RANGERS!
True but whether you like him (or the Devils) or not this is on the money…
You and mostly everyone else that says Prudential Center is a dump only because it’s in Newark, which is horsesh**.
Yeah, it’s starting to get beyond creepy, lol.
Yeah, I’ve been there a lot and it’s not close to a dump. The nosebleeds are too steep for me, but it’s like that in a lot of arenas.
What pissed me off about new MSG is how they make the “affordable seats” claustrophobic-like. You can’t see the scoreboard If you sit in the 200s anywhere above 15th row thanks to the Chase Bridge. You can see the scoreboard or a corner of the ice if you sit above 3rd row in the 400s. And people are paying at least $90 for those seats on stubhub lol.
That may be a valid counterargument, but the guys who were dealt were key guys from the Canucks' 94 Cup run, so they had what it takes to reach the Cup. When the dust settled and those guys were sent packing, the Canucks went from being a middle of the pack team before the Messier signing to ending up with the 3rd worst record in the league and were not much better the next couple years.
I have been to plenty of other NHL arenas and the Prudential Center certainly is pretty nice. Newark sucks but they were willing to spend the money. I used to live in Iselin and would have loved for the team to move right there in Woodbridge, but that was never going to happen. Newark is much more accessible via mass transportation. There's only one NJ Transit line that goes to Woodbridge.
I don't see what the problem is, I enjoy talking about hockey history and I think this is an interesting discussion. At least miker has a feasible rebuttal that isn't just "LOL," "He has his own trophy," or "most people disagree."
What‘s the point? This is all opinion and your mind is made up. Unfortunately, so is the majority of the hockey world’s.
So? Of course it's opinion, that's why we can have a debate over it. Most of the time people disagree on here about any topic, people's minds are already made up, doesn't mean the people with the minority opinion shouldn't be able to chime in.
Well, at least we can agree, you are in the minority opinion. Can’t believe it took this long to get here. Better late than never! But, don’t let that stop you, as if it could, haha. Keep your windmill tilt going. And maybe…just maybe. Maybe…one day…by GOD, one day…they will have the GUTS to change the name on that damn trophy!!
??? I never disagreed that I was the minority opinion. However, just being the majority doesn't automatically make you correct. I also never took issue with the trophy being named after him, my point about the trophy was that its existence shouldn't be used as some sort of trump card on him being the best leader because the reason it's named after him is because he created it and named it after himself. Same reason why the Art Ross Trophy is named that way, except nobody uses that to say that Art Ross was the best point-scorer.
Messier’s two goals wouldn’t had mattered if they were down 4 or 5.
All fair points. As much as I loved Messier, it was time for him to go when he went to Vancouver. I don't recall what was going on in his personal life at the time (I seem to recall him and his father trying to take control of a lot of things), but he was way past his prime when he got there. I'll remember him for his Oiler days even more than with the Rangers.
Thanks. Remember score being 4-3 but I recall game not being that close as score would indicate. Think it was on a Sunday afternoon if I recall. Though the Islander playoff round the following season doomed this core to ever win a Cup, it was actually the Flyers in 74 in my opinion that made me realize that this core was done. The good ole days for sure….::
One game I went to at MSG sometime in the late 2000s, I got tickets for the 400s near center ice, thinking I should be able to see everything from there. Instead, there was a press box or something in a walled off section next to me, preventing me from seeing one of the nets. However, the absolute worst was when I got a standing room only ticket for a game in Chicago. You have to stand behind the last row, but the floor of the last row is higher than the floor behind it, so unless you're 7 feet tall, the only way to see anything was to find an empty seat to stand behind, which was almost impossible.
I like to needle my buddy @robcac26 with his unhealthy obsession about all things Messier and NYR, but there are points to be made about the above. IMWO, that NYR team was done. They sold their souls for that 94 cup (probably rightly given what’s happened before and since). Yes, they had a nice run in 97 (I believe another OT series ending wrap around against the GOAT), but there were so many better teams around that time. PHI and NJD arrived. COL/DAL/DET were dominant. NYR were doomed to a one and done.
I seem to recall the issue was a power struggle between Messier and Smith. Smith won, but we lost because the team went downhill as you mentioned above. I could (and probably am) wrong about that. Memory fading in my old age. Not sure Messier as a player / GM would have done any better though.
There’s a lot of spots in the current Garden where you can lean against a wall in the middle of a section.
Yep, this time it was Adam Graves in Game 5. I was at that one, lower level at that end of the ice, happened right in front of me. I think it was the ensuing offseason that I finally decided I needed to pick one team or the other.
The problem with the Rangers in the early 2000s was that they tried to fix their team by throwing money at aging players. Fleury, Bure, Lindros, Jagr, and a returning Messier were the notable stars they tried to center the team around, but even beyond them, instead of developing prospects, they had some older guys like MacLean, Holik, Donato, etc. taking up roster spots. It wasn't until the salary cap was implemented that they had to adjust their roster-building strategy which opened the door for guys like Prucha, Tyutin, Dubinsky, Girardi, Callahan to get some experience and eventually become key contributors. It also helped that Weekes got injured, giving Lundqvist his opportunity.
And here’s one of those “at least” $100 seats with one of those walls right next to me.
I used to go to Yankees games often because my dad was a huge fan. We were actually at Game 1 of that series and had the same problem in the upper deck on the left field side.
Really great points. The root of the NYR 2000s spending sprees - gutting picks/young players from 93-99. By the turn of the millennium, there was no one left. But they had literal boatloads of cash. So, they spent. Spent just enough to not tank and not make the playoffs for like 6 years in a row. The definition of spinning tires. Hard to see how NYR fans would have survived if they were not gifted Jagr and lucked out in with a 7th rounder HOF goalie.
Yeah, not sure why the rest of us blabber on here about stuff we just barely know ourselves. We have an ACTUAL pro in the family! Thanks for the insight buddy!
Well a lot of us are (maybe by age?) are familiar with the things mentioned already.
