OT: oh oh oh Ozempic !
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Had to comment on this:
BMI is a very unreliable measurement. According to that, due to my height, I'm borderline obese (okay, so I'm a fat phuck
) even though I'm a gym rat with a 9 inch drop chest to waist. There are more reliable ways to measure percentage body fat - I would think most medical practitioners in that business (orthopedists, diet specialists, etc.) would have those. I remember the exercise physiologist at my first company's gym had these electric pincers which would be used at 3 different locations of your body to give a body fat percentage measurement.
BMI is a very unreliable measurement. According to that, due to my height, I'm borderline obese (okay, so I'm a fat phuck
BMI is useful but has limitations and is not the best choice. Body fat is best done with via hydrostatic weighting. Calipers are good and accurate. Dexascan (xray) good...there are others.Had to comment on this:
BMI is a very unreliable measurement. According to that, due to my height, I'm borderline obese (okay, so I'm a fat phuck) even though I'm a gym rat with a 9 inch drop chest to waist. There are more reliable ways to measure percentage body fat - I would think most medical practitioners in that business (orthopedists, diet specialists, etc.) would have those. I remember the exercise physiologist at my first company's gym had these electric pincers which would be used at 3 different locations of your body to give a body fat percentage measurement.
That's the damn name of them - it just wouldn't come to mind!
What is hydrostatic weighting? I remember there was a method of submerging completely in water and getting a reading somehow off of that: was that it?
Basically weight on land vs weight fully submerged after exhaling the air out of your lungs and using whatever calculations requires. Limitation of water submersion while fully emptying the air from your lungs.
I did a Dexascan last December. I was expecting bad results at 5'9" and 197 lbs. I was surprised that my lean mass % was quite high, and my fat mass was not terrible. Still working on getting the fat mass lower.
Random post on X. Clean out that fridge with Ozempic trending--chuck out the mayo, bagels, juice (pure sugar), too much butter, and check the types of oil in the bottles.
The importance of skeletal muscle mass is increasingly being recognised in the medical field.1 The crucial roles of skeletal muscle have come to the forefront of public attention due to data on the use of GLP-1 receptor agonists, which are effective for weight loss, but can cause substantial muscle loss. Studies suggest muscle loss with these medications (as indicated by decreases in fat-free mass [FFM]) ranges from 25% to 39% of the total weight lost over 36–72 weeks.2 This substantial muscle loss can be largely attributed to the magnitude of weight loss, rather than by an independent effect of GLP-1 receptor agonists, although this hypothesis must be tested. By comparison, non-pharmacological caloric restriction studies with smaller magnitudes of weight loss result in 10–30% FFM losses.3 In context, on an annual basis, the decline in muscle mass with GLP-1 receptor agonists is several times greater than what would be expected from age-related muscle loss (0·8% per year based on 8% muscle loss per decade from ages 40–70 years). Dismissing the importance of muscle loss can create a disconnect between patients' increased awareness of muscle and the role it plays in health, and clinicians who downplay these concerns, affecting adherence to and the development of optimised treatment plans.
As you’ve pointed out before, you have to do some sort of resistance training to build or sustain muscle mass with any diet or GLP-1 treatment.
The importance of skeletal muscle mass is increasingly being recognised in the medical field.1 The crucial roles of skeletal muscle have come to the forefront of public attention due to data on the use of GLP-1 receptor agonists, which are effective for weight loss, but can cause substantial muscle loss. Studies suggest muscle loss with these medications (as indicated by decreases in fat-free mass [FFM]) ranges from 25% to 39% of the total weight lost over 36–72 weeks.2 This substantial muscle loss can be largely attributed to the magnitude of weight loss, rather than by an independent effect of GLP-1 receptor agonists, although this hypothesis must be tested. By comparison, non-pharmacological caloric restriction studies with smaller magnitudes of weight loss result in 10–30% FFM losses.3 In context, on an annual basis, the decline in muscle mass with GLP-1 receptor agonists is several times greater than what would be expected from age-related muscle loss (0·8% per year based on 8% muscle loss per decade from ages 40–70 years). Dismissing the importance of muscle loss can create a disconnect between patients' increased awareness of muscle and the role it plays in health, and clinicians who downplay these concerns, affecting adherence to and the development of optimised treatment plans.
Yes, in both cases resistance training, even a moderate amount, is important.
I think the point of this study (cannot access the full study, but from the abstract) is a side by side comparison of caloric restriction with GLP-1 resulted in a higher lean mass loss for those taking the GLP1. What would be nice to know is if both groups did any exercise. If one cohort did exercise and the other did not exercise, then the study is stupid. Much like the studies that blame red meat for heart disease compared to vegetarians, but they don't look at confounding factors such as consumption of sugar and smoking. This is why I did not make any other comment on the study, but thought is was worth sharing.
Daily pill cuts body weight by up to 13% after 3 months in early trial
A daily weight loss pill from Novo Nordisk was shown to lower body weight by up to 13% after three months in a Phase 1 clinical trial, according to new findings.
Mesa AZ at DexaScan. We go to AZ 3-5 times per year. It is $89 there, not Rx needed from a doctor. NJ is ridiculous-expensive, and maybe now you can get one without a doctor's script? Not sure.
US food system is so corrupt and other countries are laughing at the US and making billions:
A quick scan of those tweets and nothing insane about them. Primary prevention goes by the wayside as everyone wants a pill to fix their misgivings for lack of dietary restraint and lack of cardiovascular exercise. Who makes out? Beef, pork, dairy industries and big pharma...all the big players who stroke the government to make gigantic profits.Back down to 0 days since an insane rant of random tweets.
That pharma bro is on ignore. He's a haughty pig that feeds at the trough of sick people, while he looks down his nose at fat people. He took zero time to review the substance of any of those tweets. The alarming one is the cost of medicare/medicaid paying for Ozempic vs. addressing root causes. All while a Danish company gets rich, while the Danish government does not recommend Ozempic, but instead a change in diet and exercise.
Dr Berry is "the man" as they say (and the Kelce's are meatheads) .
For years the American Diabetes Association told people to eat grains over meat.
Train loads of amputated legs and feet for no reason
The food pyramid was known poison decades ago
Demolish the Food Pyramid | Harvard Magazine
In the wild, animals instinctively find and consume the foods best adapted to their bodies. Not so for humans. Agribusinesses, fast-food chains...
www.harvardmagazine.com
Randon and insane. Overweight people love to blame others for their years of overeating. Can't be their own fault, so someone needs to be evil.
FYI - to believe that pharma and the gov'ment are in cahoots together is truly as dumb as dumb gets.
Correction - I look down at fat people who blame others for their own behavior.
"The best way to lower drug costs is to stop taking drugs we don’t need."
"Earlier this year NIH research concluded that Lucky Charms cereal is healthier than steak. The flawed research created today’s “food compass” guidance now informing school lunch programs and government food assistance programs."
You are right. It was silly for me to think any level of authority is subject to influence, coercion and/or corruption in today's society. My apologies. Add to that an only semi-proactive approach to health optimization by the government coupled with easy ways out (eg Ozeimpic promoted by the government) and it's easy to see major industries benefit from the government's approach to health maintenance. Ignoring those points is even dumber than dumb gets.
I accept your apology and for admitting the truth. Very appreciated! Pharma and gov'ment have been antagonists for long time and it's getting worse. Hopefully this changes, but the outlook isn't good. Too much politics with healthcare.
Thanks again!
I don't think I've ever had someone accept such an obviously sarcastic response/apology. But I'm glad to see it was received well.
I remember reading an article that the further away from its natural form a product gets the worse it is for you and the more expensive it is to buy.
The example they used was oats and they went all the way through to some type of oat bar with fake milk on the top of it. That basically pushed me to only walk the outside aisles of the store with the exception of frozen fruits and vegetables.
As for weight I am a believer in the Calories in versus calories out concept. Especially for those of us at a certain age.
IN my 20-30's lifting hard and running 30-35 miles a week there were a lot of calories out which overrode the calories in. I am a long way from that now, so I try to go between 1500-2000 calories.
The example they used was oats and they went all the way through to some type of oat bar with fake milk on the top of it. That basically pushed me to only walk the outside aisles of the store with the exception of frozen fruits and vegetables.
As for weight I am a believer in the Calories in versus calories out concept. Especially for those of us at a certain age.
IN my 20-30's lifting hard and running 30-35 miles a week there were a lot of calories out which overrode the calories in. I am a long way from that now, so I try to go between 1500-2000 calories.
And The Atlantic chimes in and mocks the summit, because of politics. Unbelievable. This is all to distract the American people from the problem-- divide, distract and conquer. If the Republicans are saying it, it must be false! RFK Jr is a lunatic and can't be trusted!! Yeah, OK. The Atlantic knows that Big Food and Pharma advertising butters their bread.
Dr. Makary wields a good sword in this fight. American health is crumbling while the sectors I mentioned are raking in the profits. Our political leaders can do better to help.
More good news for tubby people:
Ozempic reduces knee osteoarthritis pain by almost half
Ozempic reduces knee osteoarthritis pain by almost half
Saw pharma Shill Eric Topol posted that osteoarthritis study. Gee, lose 10% more weight, and knee pain goes away. Duh. Do ya think it has something to do with reduced weight on the knee? But shameless big pharma never misses an opportunity for shameless self promotion.
The semaglutide participants on average had a body weight reduction of 13.7 percent, while those taking a placebo had a 3.2 percent reduction on average.
“Among participants with obesity and knee osteoarthritis with moderate-to-severe pain, treatment with once-weekly injectable semaglutide resulted in significantly greater reductions in body weight and pain related to knee osteoarthritis than placebo,” the study’s conclusion stated.
As the Johns Hopkins Arthritis Center notes, overweight women have almost four times the risk of developing knee osteoarthritis when compared to non-obese women. For obese men, the risk is five times higher than their non-obese counterparts.
The semaglutide participants on average had a body weight reduction of 13.7 percent, while those taking a placebo had a 3.2 percent reduction on average.
“Among participants with obesity and knee osteoarthritis with moderate-to-severe pain, treatment with once-weekly injectable semaglutide resulted in significantly greater reductions in body weight and pain related to knee osteoarthritis than placebo,” the study’s conclusion stated.
As the Johns Hopkins Arthritis Center notes, overweight women have almost four times the risk of developing knee osteoarthritis when compared to non-obese women. For obese men, the risk is five times higher than their non-obese counterparts.
Big Pharma's dream drug-customers for life!
This would be a good theme song for their commercials.
This would be a good theme song for their commercials.
