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bac2therac said:
correct me if Im wrong but Lustig isnt a fan of oatmeal
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Not sure. Lustig is OK, but he does have some extreme positions. For example, he said some sweeteners such as Stevia are still not good because they trigger hunger signals like sugar. Not sure about that. Casey Means MD and her new book are very good. Her podcast on Huberman is 🔥. One thing the dumb ass in this that thread that keeps fat shaming fails to understand is that for some people, food addiction is real. Food companies knowingly and purposefully spike their chips, cookies, foods to trigger people to eat more. Some people are not susceptible to this. But there are plenty of people who get hooked on crap food.
 
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Knight Shift said:
Lots of bad advice on YouTube. Hate those that tell people YOU must do THIS!!!! Not everyone is the same, as you said.

Never been an oatmeal fan. Not as far as healthy aspect, just the taste/texture. The Mrs likes porridge, and same reaction from me, blech. Not much a of a breakfast person. The only thing I really like are breakfast meats like pork roll and bacon. Easier to just start with lunch.

If my post came off as "you should do this," that's not what I meant. Have said many times n=1, where n=me and not anybody else. Each person is unique, has their own go to strategies and weaknesses for food. I was trending towards diabetes for a variety of reasons, but I have reversed course, and I am in better shape now (older than you) than 20 years ago. I take the stairs to the 8th floor at work each morning, barely getting winded. 10 or 20 years ago, I could have been gassed at the 4th floor.

I'm not that big on red meat any more, but I am not against it. Lean beef is an excellent source of protein and iron. I favor salmon and lean poultry, but I'm up for some lean ground beef or a nice steak once in a while.

Breads, pasta and rice are real problems for me. Family history of diabetes. I compensated carb cutting by going to cheese, but cheese is calorie dense, and many cheeses have high saturated fat. I have to watch my cholesterol.

We are mostly water and lightly flavored seltzers and home-brewed iced teas. The packaged teas are expensive and have lots a questionable preservatives and sweeteners. We found a blend of brewed teas we like.

IMO, Quest bars are garbage. Read the ingredients. Lots of questionable ingredients, but you do you.

Great replies by you!
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Whats great is we all can learn from others on how they do

Congrats to you because you did make a real lifestyle change with your diet and have seen the results and most importantly how you feel. People can make changes but still have no energy or feel miserable mentally. Its hard for anyone to be perfect but attempting to make that change and see what helps and doesnt is an important part of evolving as we age

As for Quest bars..maybe once a week or if im on the go or at the beach and need something. I have in the past baked my own protein type snacks with banannas oats protein and greek yogurt

i forgot to mention eggs..i eat alot of them whether hard boiled as snacks but usually Friday nights with bacon....10 eggs but only 2-3 yolks
 
Knight Shift said:
Not sure. Lustig is OK, but he does have some extreme positions. For example, he said some sweeteners such as Stevia are still not good because they trigger hunger signals like sugar. Not sure about that. Casey Means MD and her new book are very good. Her podcast on Huberman is 🔥. One thing the dumb ass in this that thread that keeps fat shaming fails to understand is that for some people, food addiction is real. Food companies knowingly and purposefully spike their chips, cookies, foods to trigger people to eat more. Some people are not susceptible to this. But there are plenty of people who get hooked on crap food.
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There is definitely something in the seasoning of snacks...i mean a regular pretzel bag you have a few an stop because the taste isnt there and you go ok thats enough...with these pretzels pieces particularly this new Mikes Hot Honey Sauce stuff Im addicted to..its like crack...i crave more and more the more I taste it

The thing is snacks existed in the 50s 70s 70s and 80s. People ate sugary stuff but the variety was less. You only had 3 kinds of potato chips plain bbq and sour cream and now there are literally a 100
 
bac2therac said:
Whats great is we all can learn from others on how they do

Congrats to you because you did make a real lifestyle change with your diet and have seen the results and most importantly how you feel. People can make changes but still have no energy or feel miserable mentally. Its hard for anyone to be perfect but attempting to make that change and see what helps and doesnt is an important part of evolving as we age

As for Quest bars..maybe once a week or if im on the go or at the beach and need something. I have in the past baked my own protein type snacks with banannas oats protein and greek yogurt

i forgot to mention eggs..i eat alot of them whether hard boiled as snacks but usually Friday nights with bacon....10 eggs but only 2-3 yolks
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Eat organic/free range eggs.
 
bac2therac said:
Whats great is we all can learn from others on how they do

Congrats to you because you did make a real lifestyle change with your diet and have seen the results and most importantly how you feel. People can make changes but still have no energy or feel miserable mentally. Its hard for anyone to be perfect but attempting to make that change and see what helps and doesnt is an important part of evolving as we age

As for Quest bars..maybe once a week or if im on the go or at the beach and need something. I have in the past baked my own protein type snacks with banannas oats protein and greek yogurt

i forgot to mention eggs..i eat alot of them whether hard boiled as snacks but usually Friday nights with bacon....10 eggs but only 2-3 yolks
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I'm genetically cursed, LOL. Alcoholism and diabetes run in different sides of the family tree. I quit drinking on my 18th birthday and never had a full drink until 2018, where I had 2 drinks in Europe, and hated the taste and will not drink again.
Quest bars- those things were more addictive to me than Doritos or Oreos. Don't know what was in them, but because they were high protein, I could down 3 or 4 of those in a day. Quit those cold turkey. Glad you like them.
Eggs- can't eat them. The texture, appearance has been a problem for me since I was a kid. Would love to get to like them because they are a great source of protein. LOL- I'm a real party when it comes to food an drink!
bac2therac said:
There is definitely something in the seasoning of snacks...i mean a regular pretzel bag you have a few an stop because the taste isnt there and you go ok thats enough...with these pretzels pieces particularly this new Mikes Hot Honey Sauce stuff Im addicted to..its like crack...i crave more and more the more I taste it

The thing is snacks existed in the 50s 70s 70s and 80s. People ate sugary stuff but the variety was less. You only had 3 kinds of potato chips plain bbq and sour cream and now there are literally a 100
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Doritos are like crack to some, including me. Some of the flavored pretzels too. Agree that there is nothing wrong with binging once in a while. Every now and then (6-10 weeks), we will order a pizza and enjoy. I have a fantastic ally in the Mrs. We do a lot of research on foods and ingredients together. I'm cooking more too and hope to do more once I start working less.

You hit upon something else- you work outside all day and are moving. Desk jockeys need to figure out how to move more. There are formulas for numbers of steps, etc. I like these from Rhonda Patrick, who is a great source of info--hate the phrase "exercise snacks" but the advice is sound:






And this on eggs-- She is 🔥 🔥 🔥 (not hot, but fire):

 
Knight Shift said:
I'm genetically cursed, LOL. Alcoholism and diabetes run in different sides of the family tree. I quit drinking on my 18th birthday and never had a full drink until 2018, where I had 2 drinks in Europe, and hated the taste and will not drink again.
Quest bars- those things were more addictive to me than Doritos or Oreos. Don't know what was in them, but because they were high protein, I could down 3 or 4 of those in a day. Quit those cold turkey. Glad you like them.
Eggs- can't eat them. The texture, appearance has been a problem for me since I was a kid. Would love to get to like them because they are a great source of protein. LOL- I'm a real party when it comes to food an drink!

Doritos are like crack to some, including me. Some of the flavored pretzels too. Agree that there is nothing wrong with binging once in a while. Every now and then (6-10 weeks), we will order a pizza and enjoy. I have a fantastic ally in the Mrs. We do a lot of research on foods and ingredients together. I'm cooking more too and hope to do more once I start working less.

You hit upon something else- you work outside all day and are moving. Desk jockeys need to figure out how to move more. There are formulas for numbers of steps, etc. I like these from Rhonda Patrick, who is a great source of info--hate the phrase "exercise snacks" but the advice is sound:


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And this on eggs-- She is 🔥 🔥 🔥 (not hot, but fire):

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yes Ive seen her and liked her stuff on youtube.

yeah I never relied too much on protein bars to get by...I definitely ate more maybe 10 years ago but quickly found shelling out $25 for a box every 2 weeks could be spent on something better.

Pizza is my favorite food but like you space it out...usually go about 12 weeks but sometimes as many as 16-18 weeks, when I do its sausage and its as many as I can eat so usually 6 in one siting and then one the next 2 days and then I dont need Pizza for a while.

what is the deal with you and eggs they are delicious....i have usually done scrambled but now just cracking them in the hot pan and sort of doing an easy over with a little bit of runny yolk...omg its really good that way. Come on you have to toughen up, those eggs are too good to pass up even hardboiled.

and while my morning staple is oatmeal/protein concoction, I have been trying out just the greek yogurt with blueberries and a scoop of protein..gives me about 40-45 grams of protein for about 300-330 calories and surprisingly its getting me almost to lunch without feeling hungry....that combo is definitely a very low calorie very high protein satiating snack to have

i dont have kids, but i mean if you do then its a lot tougher to eat healthy considering the responsibilites and then all the kid related activities like sports, b day parties, school functions that require a parent to basically eat what is in front of them are on the go. Im sure now that your kids are out of the nest? its easier with just you and your wife to plan for
 
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That traffic mess will not go well
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Based on our traffic engineering study, the 4 new loops roads will modestly improve the 206/518 intersection. Right now, the NJDOT rates it an F (not surprising). It should improve to a C. What this means?

F = wait time at peak of 4 or more minutes
C = wait time at peak of 1-2 minutes

We shall see! We need the Village Walk to get the Village Drive loop road open soon.
 
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bac2therac said:
yes Ive seen her and liked her stuff on youtube.

yeah I never relied too much on protein bars to get by...I definitely ate more maybe 10 years ago but quickly found shelling out $25 for a box every 2 weeks could be spent on something better.

Pizza is my favorite food but like you space it out...usually go about 12 weeks but sometimes as many as 16-18 weeks, when I do its sausage and its as many as I can eat so usually 6 in one siting and then one the next 2 days and then I dont need Pizza for a while.

what is the deal with you and eggs they are delicious....i have usually done scrambled but now just cracking them in the hot pan and sort of doing an easy over with a little bit of runny yolk...omg its really good that way. Come on you have to toughen up, those eggs are too good to pass up even hardboiled.

and while my morning staple is oatmeal/protein concoction, I have been trying out just the greek yogurt with blueberries and a scoop of protein..gives me about 40-45 grams of protein for about 300-330 calories and surprisingly its getting me almost to lunch without feeling hungry....that combo is definitely a very low calorie very high protein satiating snack to have

i dont have kids, but i mean if you do then its a lot tougher to eat healthy considering the responsibilites and then all the kid related activities like sports, b day parties, school functions that require a parent to basically eat what is in front of them are on the go. Im sure now that your kids are out of the nest? its easier with just you and your wife to plan for
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Yup. Kids are out of the house.
Eggs- don't have an explanation, other than the texture makes me want to gag. Tried an egg white egg not long ago, and that was easier to eat.
 
Knight Shift said:
1780, the way to avoid diabetes was known. Thanks to Ancel Keys, the FDA and govermental authorities, this changed. The organizations that push the crap diet recommendations like Harvard and Brown are funded by big food companies. Brown is touting Lucky Charms cereal as healthier than ground beef. Bill Gates and his funded organizations are working to demonize beef. We have politicians doing the same because cow farting is an issue.

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RU at the shore said:
Someone sum it up for me. What to eat to stay healthy and thin ??
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IMO, it’s the usual things you’d expect. Fruits, veggies, fermented foods, fibers from grains, nuts etc.and get enough of them regularly, preferably daily. Also daily hydrate well with water.

I think most people don’t get enough of these things in their bodies on a daily or regular basis. For increasing fiber intake do it gradually to avoid GI issues and make sure to have enough fluids.

Then move and be active. It doesn’t have to be the gym either if it’s not your thing. Daily brisk walks and body weight stuff are my things because they’re easy and accessible to do. Chores around the house, yard work, etc are good too. Whatever floats your boat, just be moving regularly.

I eat junk at times and don’t limit anything I want to eat but I always want any positives I do to far outweigh any negatives. So I never feel restricted but on balance I want to be way on the plus side.

Like I mentioned in a way above post, find out what suits your psychology and lifestyle to make things habitual. Good habits are hard to break not just bad ones. Start slow and work up and when it becomes habit then it’s on autopilot pretty much. No thinking or feelings of restriction or what not, it just is. Everyone is different so you have to figure what suits you to make things habitual.
 
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rutgersguy1 said:
IMO, it’s the usual things you’d expect. Fruits, veggies, fermented foods, fibers from grains, nuts etc.and get enough of them regularly, preferably daily. Also daily hydrate well with water.

I think most people don’t get enough of these things in their bodies on a daily or regular basis. For increasing fiber intake do it gradually to avoid GI issues and make sure to have enough fluids.

Then move and be active. It doesn’t have to be the gym either if it’s not your thing. Daily brisk walks and body weight stuff are my things because they’re easy and accessible to do. Chores around the house, yard work, etc are good too. Whatever floats your boat, just be moving regularly.

I eat junk at times and don’t limit anything I want to eat but I always want any positives I do to far outweigh any negatives. So I never feel restricted but on balance I want to be way on the plus side.

Like I mentioned in a way above post, find out what suits your psychology and lifestyle to make things habitual. Good habits are hard to break not just bad ones. Start slow and work up and when it becomes habit then it’s on autopilot pretty much. No thinking or feelings of restriction or what not, it just is. Everyone is different so you have to figure what suits you to make things habitual.
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Love walking/hiking in my area, so many amazing parks, preserves, and trails to explore. As for eating, everyone should have bran-based cereals in the morning. Get the body moving. LOL!
 
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bac2therac said:
yes Ive seen her and liked her stuff on youtube.

yeah I never relied too much on protein bars to get by...I definitely ate more maybe 10 years ago but quickly found shelling out $25 for a box every 2 weeks could be spent on something better.

Pizza is my favorite food but like you space it out...usually go about 12 weeks but sometimes as many as 16-18 weeks, when I do its sausage and its as many as I can eat so usually 6 in one siting and then one the next 2 days and then I dont need Pizza for a while.

what is the deal with you and eggs they are delicious....i have usually done scrambled but now just cracking them in the hot pan and sort of doing an easy over with a little bit of runny yolk...omg its really good that way. Come on you have to toughen up, those eggs are too good to pass up even hardboiled.

and while my morning staple is oatmeal/protein concoction, I have been trying out just the greek yogurt with blueberries and a scoop of protein..gives me about 40-45 grams of protein for about 300-330 calories and surprisingly its getting me almost to lunch without feeling hungry....that combo is definitely a very low calorie very high protein satiating snack to have

i dont have kids, but i mean if you do then its a lot tougher to eat healthy considering the responsibilites and then all the kid related activities like sports, b day parties, school functions that require a parent to basically eat what is in front of them are on the go. Im sure now that your kids are out of the nest? its easier with just you and your wife to plan for
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Try cinnamon on plain Greek yogurt. Anti oxidant, anti inflammatory, and lowers blood sugar while at the same time tasting sweet.
 
Scott Gottlieb, now works for Pfizer. Pharma is evil and profit-driven.



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People have a 0.01% chance of getting that eye condition. If using the weight loss drugs double the rate, that would only be 0.02%. Being over weight is a much bigger (no pun intended) issue.
 
Once adverse events start being reported for a widely used drug and the observational retrospective studies begin, all hell breaks loose. Yet they are by no means one of the more reliable types of studies.
 
Amazing medications, lowers the risk of 10 difference cancer types:

www.forbes.com

Drugs Like Ozempic Could Lower Cancer Risks, Study Suggests

The research adds to research suggesting benefits for a growing number of health conditions and bolster the public health case for insurers to cover the treatments.
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And more proven benefits to come:
A myriad of other conditions are being explored by drugmakers, including sleep apnea, addiction, anxiety, Parkinson’s and fatty liver disease and Novo Nordisk has already secured convincing enough data to add cardiovascular disease to Wegovy’s label.
 
willisneverrana43 said:
Once adverse events start being reported for a widely used drug and the observational retrospective studies begin, all hell breaks loose. Yet they are by no means one of the more reliable types of studies.
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Once metabolic health, diet and exercise take a backseat to pharma as a crutch for health, all hell breaks loose. Big Pharma is pushing these drugs on younger and younger people. Meanwhile the medical associations and food authorities that work with the federal government push crap food as healthy food over red meat, an excellent source of protein, iron and other nutrients.
 
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willisneverrana43 said:
Yes, it would be better if people eat well. But . . .
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But nothing. Something is seriously wrong in the United States with the amount of crap food pushed by the government, and then corrupt big Pharma swoops in with some hokey data to say they have the magic pill or injection to fix the problem. Meanwhile, the standards for approval of "new" indications are so low it is laughable. Our system (and the US if one of two countries in the world that allow for direct to consumer advertising) is why obesity is a much larger problem in the US vs. other countries.
 
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Knight Shift said:
But nothing. Something is seriously wrong in the United States with the amount of crap food pushed by the government, and then corrupt big Pharma swoops in with some hokey data to say they have the magic pill or injection to fix the problem. Meanwhile, the standards for approval of "new" indications are so low it is laughable. Our system (and the US if one of two countries in the world that allow for direct to consumer advertising) is why obesity is a much larger problem in the US vs. other countries.
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KS getting dressed in the morning:

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rubaseball78 said:
People have a 0.01% chance of getting that eye condition. If using the weight loss drugs double the rate, that would only be 0.02%. Being over weight is a much bigger (no pun intended) issue.
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You are talking about the general population having a 0.01% chance of developing the condition. The study cited focused on diabetics and concluded those who used semaglutide had an 8.9% chance of developing the condition vs. 1.8% in the group who used other medicines to control blood glucose over the 36 month study. The study also looked at overweight/obese participants (appears to be non diabetics) and those prescribed semaglutide developed the condition 6.7% of the time vs. 0.8% of those not taking semaglutide. That's a good amount more than the 0.01% of the general population and the study does establish the fact that semaglutide increases the risk multi fold among the two groups studied. And I absolutely agree, being overweight is the bigger issue.
 
Knight Shift said:
I'm genetically cursed, LOL. Alcoholism and diabetes run in different sides of the family tree. I quit drinking on my 18th birthday and never had a full drink until 2018, where I had 2 drinks in Europe, and hated the taste and will not drink again.
Quest bars- those things were more addictive to me than Doritos or Oreos. Don't know what was in them, but because they were high protein, I could down 3 or 4 of those in a day. Quit those cold turkey. Glad you like them.
Eggs- can't eat them. The texture, appearance has been a problem for me since I was a kid. Would love to get to like them because they are a great source of protein. LOL- I'm a real party when it comes to food an drink!

Doritos are like crack to some, including me. Some of the flavored pretzels too. Agree that there is nothing wrong with binging once in a while. Every now and then (6-10 weeks), we will order a pizza and enjoy. I have a fantastic ally in the Mrs. We do a lot of research on foods and ingredients together. I'm cooking more too and hope to do more once I start working less.

You hit upon something else- you work outside all day and are moving. Desk jockeys need to figure out how to move more. There are formulas for numbers of steps, etc. I like these from Rhonda Patrick, who is a great source of info--hate the phrase "exercise snacks" but the advice is sound:


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And this on eggs-- She is 🔥 🔥 🔥 (not hot, but fire):

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Meh, gotta give me more study subjects and a more diverse group in order to make a solid conclusion. I know any activity (in this case squats) is good, but the study only include 18 participants. All obese, all male, all were about 21 years of age.
 
LETSGORU91 said:
You are talking about the general population having a 0.01% chance of developing the condition. The study cited focused on diabetics and concluded those who used semaglutide had an 8.9% chance of developing the condition vs. 1.8% in the group who used other medicines to control blood glucose over the 36 month study. The study also looked at overweight/obese participants (appears to be non diabetics) and those prescribed semaglutide developed the condition 6.7% of the time vs. 0.8% of those not taking semaglutide. That's a good amount more than the 0.01% of the general population and the study does establish the fact that semaglutide increases the risk multi fold among the two groups studied. And I absolutely agree, being overweight is the bigger issue.
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Careful, high likelihood of a cause and effect fallacy with this observational analysis.
 
365Poster24Seven said:
Run 30 miles a week and lift weights 3 to 4 days a week and of course don’t spend every waking moment on social media and you will probably look good naked. If not you have to give up on women like some here.
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Obesity rate in women has recently surpassed men actually.
 
Knight Shift said:
But nothing. Something is seriously wrong in the United States with the amount of crap food pushed by the government, and then corrupt big Pharma swoops in with some hokey data to say they have the magic pill or injection to fix the problem. Meanwhile, the standards for approval of "new" indications are so low it is laughable. Our system (and the US if one of two countries in the world that allow for direct to consumer advertising) is why obesity is a much larger problem in the US vs. other countries.
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Sure. People eat like idiots. Feel free to try to fix that. But you won’t. And what if Ozempic saves lives.? You want to stop it because there’s a better way that you can’t implement?
 
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willisneverrana43 said:
Sure. People eat like idiots. Feel free to try to fix that. But you won’t. And what if Ozempic saves lives.? You want to stop it because there’s a better way that you can’t implement?
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Hold on, pull back on the common sense! Some in this thread don't like that stuff.
 
RU848789 said:
Great post. And people should be worried about the decreased uptake of childhood vaccines, which is threatening the entire population with future outbreaks of previously controlled infectious diseases like measles, polio, mumps, etc. Really good article on this in the link below. Sadly, the antiscientific backlash against mRNA vaccines, which have saved millions of lives and won the Nobel Prize last year in Medicine, is now fueling the backlash against vaccines of all kinds, which is scary, as vaccines, antibiotics and clean water are the cornerstones of how life expectancy went from about 50 in 1900 to nearly 80 now.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2813910
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The pushback by younger and some older started a long time before Covid. Used to be a requirement that schools required vaccination records be up to date but somehow that thinking about vaccinations permeated this world. Millions who entered this country over the past 25 years more than likely did not have updated vaccine protections. So now over the past 10 years things like measles is sounding an alarm? How many of us had measles , mumps, chicken pox , German measles and survived by some miracle? It didn’t come from within like most viruses it came from somewhere else.
 
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