OT: Princeton Professor Arrest
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Pretty much.
Once again the real crime is an adult teaching her children victimization and resentment instead of gratefulness and humility.
OK I think some things are getting conflated here.
1. This professor was wrong.
2. Her conduct does not change the fact that there is endemic racism in this country.
3. Reasonable people can disagree on how to combat racism, but not the fact that it exists.
4. Police corruption and misbehavior, while not present in this case, effects all of us as taxpayers. And it is a particularly grave problem in NJ that no politicians or public figures are particularly interested in solving for various reasons.
And the fact of the matter is, yes "everyone is a little bit racist", everyone has their own prejudices in life and that will never change. When it becomes an issue is when public employees use our taxpayer dollars to carry out racist behavior at our expense. While not the case here, it happens everywhere and not just with the police. It becomes an issue when people are hired or fired on the basis of their race. And it's not limited to black and white.
BLM only exists because people try to deny to racism exists, and because when people like Eric Garner or Tamir Rice are killed by cops who should have never been hired in the first place, certain segments of society believe the police are above the law and cannot be the subject of any scrutiny.
Police overreach should be a slam dunk issue for the right- stop out of control spending on public employees and the militarization of the police and tickets for "manner of walking" and going 26mph in a 25mph zone. But because some people on the right want to turn every conversation about the police into racism not existing and BLM and Al Sharpton and whoever, the conversation doesn't happen for the most part.
Accept racism exists, accept the police are not infallible, and shrink government and lower taxes. Everyone wins. Why is this an argument?
1. This professor was wrong.
2. Her conduct does not change the fact that there is endemic racism in this country.
3. Reasonable people can disagree on how to combat racism, but not the fact that it exists.
4. Police corruption and misbehavior, while not present in this case, effects all of us as taxpayers. And it is a particularly grave problem in NJ that no politicians or public figures are particularly interested in solving for various reasons.
And the fact of the matter is, yes "everyone is a little bit racist", everyone has their own prejudices in life and that will never change. When it becomes an issue is when public employees use our taxpayer dollars to carry out racist behavior at our expense. While not the case here, it happens everywhere and not just with the police. It becomes an issue when people are hired or fired on the basis of their race. And it's not limited to black and white.
BLM only exists because people try to deny to racism exists, and because when people like Eric Garner or Tamir Rice are killed by cops who should have never been hired in the first place, certain segments of society believe the police are above the law and cannot be the subject of any scrutiny.
Police overreach should be a slam dunk issue for the right- stop out of control spending on public employees and the militarization of the police and tickets for "manner of walking" and going 26mph in a 25mph zone. But because some people on the right want to turn every conversation about the police into racism not existing and BLM and Al Sharpton and whoever, the conversation doesn't happen for the most part.
Accept racism exists, accept the police are not infallible, and shrink government and lower taxes. Everyone wins. Why is this an argument?
You're first talking about the professor being wrong is the only thing in your rant that has anything to do with what happen in this matter, the only thing I could take from you is that it's acceptable to what happen to these good officers - and yes, despite what you think a majority of officers in this country are GOOD people - because racism and bad cops exist.
And this is not the first time it has happened, their was a professor in Texas who did the same damn thing, lied to smear good men, and she and Perry here need to be held accountable for their disgusting behavior.
All race aside, this really brings into question her ability to function as a responsible adult. You would think she'd be embarrassed by her oversight and therefore eager to keep this personal information from having any effect on her professional life.
She's not embarrassed, in fact she kinda double down and did what NotInRHouse did and starting going off on racism and cops, nothing that had anything to do with her actions.
And Princeton supports her and no one is calling them out, you don't see any opinions pieces from the that twit Tom Moran and his SLEB, but if the had treated her poorly, they would be ALL OVER IT.
A lot of people from the left need to step back and think unemotionally when they feel the urge to go off on cops, it's that simple.
Other people in this thread mentioned other topics. Adults are talking, and mostly, not putting words in each other's mouths.
The cop in Texas (assuming you're referring to Sandra Bland) was fired. Must have been those rural Texas progressives thinking everyone is racist.
Do you even know the basis for an action in defamation?
At least if you're going to bring out the police infallibility defense, get your facts straight.
Changing her tune:
Perry, a professor of African American Studies, said in the letter that she never claimed that there was racial bias was at work in her particular arrest.
"We have evidence that warrants for violations are issued across the country in racially discriminatory fashion," Perry wrote. "This makes it even worse: it is both unjust and unjustly applied. Note: I have never said that in my case that there was necessarily racial bias at work. I could not possibly know whether that was at issue. But I do know that I belong to the racial group to which this happens more frequently than any other."
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2016/02/princeton_u_professor_says_she_claimed_no_racial_b.html
Perry, a professor of African American Studies, said in the letter that she never claimed that there was racial bias was at work in her particular arrest.
"We have evidence that warrants for violations are issued across the country in racially discriminatory fashion," Perry wrote. "This makes it even worse: it is both unjust and unjustly applied. Note: I have never said that in my case that there was necessarily racial bias at work. I could not possibly know whether that was at issue. But I do know that I belong to the racial group to which this happens more frequently than any other."
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2016/02/princeton_u_professor_says_she_claimed_no_racial_b.html
Unless mug shots are taken across the nation related to parking offenses, just how can warrants related to those violations be issued in a discriminatory manner?
Her Facebook rant is reprinted in the link below. Oh my. What a bunch of deflection.
http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2016/02/12/black-professor-facebook-rant/#
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victimhood and the need to feel offended about something or someone is BIG right now...SM now gives the unprincipled masses a vehicle through which they can achieve notoriety...
Nah, try again, Dorothy Bland, a North Texas professor who just like Imani Perry lied through her teeth because of their disdain of police:
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/l...thy-bland-i-was-caughtwalking-while-black.ece
She too was found to be full of BS.
Bottom line there is a progressive war against police in this country who want to paint all the men in blue as KKK card carrying racists. Sure their are bad cops but just like we shouldn't paint all Muslims as terrorists, as we are lectured on this by progressives, we should hold the same standard to police. But the left don't. They attack and demonize our police officers and it's doing more damage than you realize, or refuse to realize.
You seem to have something for or against sheep. You have brought them up more than once. What did a sheep ever do to you that deserves this?
I love sheep. They love me back. It's a good relationship.
Nobody is questioning whether racism exists...it will always exist in some form or another.
The pivotal question is whether in our current society racism is material we out that it can be pointed to as being material and actually impeding people from achieving to their fullest.
In that you will undoubtedly say yes. I say no.
As many have said- it is a shame that she used this incident as a cry against racism. She is hurting the cause more than helping it.
As opposed to whom? Who is it that IS being held accountable and by whom are they being held accountable? And for what?
She tried to unfairly leverage race in her favor and at the expense of the reputations of the two cops involved (as well as, perhaps, the Princeton PD). Pretty fvcked up thing she did, I think we all agree.
So what punishment should be levied against her?
I would think that her "feeling"!that it was based on race is much different then bringing false accusation or slander. Hard to disprove "feeling".
Two distinct questions. In terms of achievement, economic status is the best predictor by far and away. Both Bernie Sanders and President Obama have said as much.
Police overreach in most cases is a setback, but is not the setback that is being born poor, whether that is in Ferguson or Appalachia. Fines for manner of walking are bad, but they are not as bad as endemic poverty.
Doesn't mean they are not worth discussion, especially when there seems to me to be lots of room for agreement on small government and liberty.
Yes what a war. Police offers are so "under attack" that in most of NJ they are being paid far more than teachers, fire fighters, or much of the public sector. The wrong way Linden cop at 27 years old was making 92k with no college degree and it took months for him to be arraigned yet the average salary in NJ is somewhere in the high 50s range. Cops repeatedly go unindicted when prosecutors freely admit they could indict a ham sandwich.
And the one cop that was indicted recently was Asian. So much for KKK. And I must have missed where Hillary or Bernie called for registration of all cops or said it was divisive to speak to the police...you really just want to generalize here. This issue has less to do with race or politics, and everything to do with a culture of silence and crush of dissent in the force.
An Edison cop who let a woman flush her weed down the toilet if she agreed to do a strip tease...reinstated to his six figure position to do a desk job by one of those left wing NJ judges.
Minorities in America wish they could be under such "attack" and "war".
If cops don't want to be demonized, they could actively speak out when these kinds of things happen. Instead there are repeated cover ups.
Totally agree. If you are going to use an example of racism, it needs to be real. As it is, a number of these examples have been made up. You can't build a movement, a real movement, off of lies. It actually belittles that which they are trying to do.
What an absolute POS you are. Wow. I guess lets ignore the seven cops killed in the past week or so, oh wait a minute, they're cops, so they deserve to die because other cops are bad,
You're the one generalizing buddy. Just like most of the intolerant left.
How about the Press with scathing articles calling her a liar?
Why not?
Because they're afraid to take on black fraudsters...afraid to be called racists themselves.
1) What do either Obama or Bernie Sanders know?
2) how does being poor equate in any way to racism?
Plus one but you should have continued the quote. People here have been shouted down for stating good Muslims and imam's should speak out against radical Islam. Also, I'd like to see NIRH point to the beat cop who wants shady cops on his tour. The detective who wants to ride with the racist. If cover ups are happening it isn't at the policing level which falls squarely on his love for the unions.
Maybe.
When did this story make it to the press? When she complained or when the video made it clear she was wrong?
Thing is, individuals do racist stuff all the time and there's no media coverage most of the time. What she did wasn't exactly racist, but it was close. She leveraged race to propagate a wrong. And while she's walked her story back a bit, she's still doing it, IMO. But again, individuals do all kinds of racist crap all the time and it's not really a news story. Why should her story be any different?
I don't like what she did. She's being a totally self-absorbed, whiny dingbat. She's trying to leverage a serious issue for her own personal gain and is now trying to turn it into a community service gesture on race - which everybody in this thread has pretty much agreed is pure bullshit.
But I doubt this sort of thing, wrongly leveraging race for selfish reasons, is all that unusual. I think people of all races probably do it all the time, all around us. The only thing that makes her case interesting is that she got caught.
One guy writes a post that voices his opinion without any ad-hominem attacks on anyone. A second guy doesn't like the gist of what the first guy posts, so he calls the first guy a POS immediately followed by calling a substantial portion of the electorate intolerant?
That's some good irony right there.
Except she has made herself a public figure...and while there may be people that leverage race or really use any angle they can to get an advantage or to avoid responsibility, not many are in a position to use the incident to build their credibility and stature. And, she's molding the minds of future generations at a highly esteemed university. It's sort of hard to sort out the protectionism of the esteem of the university (For example, Rutgers Professors calling for the retraction of Condi Rice honorary degree because it belittles the university) and the look the other way, or no big deal, or everybody does it attitude you're evoking.
When dies something become wrong and get exposed and a witch hunt environment build? Is it only when it rubs afoul of the established boundaries of the favored and unflavored causes and PC Police?
If it's a white professor evoking clear racist attitude and statements, do hey get the free pass?
Back to her notoriety and credentials. Is that what she's doing? Is she taking the Sharpton route of damn the facts, I know there's rampant racism, so I am a victim? It appears she is.
Will she continue to benefit from it? Maybe. Should she be rebuked? Yes. Will she? No. Why? African Americans are untouchable when they lie in the public forum. Why? The press is:
A) invested in finding and building stories of racism
B) deathly afraid of being labelled as racists.
Liberals have armed the African American community with the ultimate nuclear, career ending weapon: Allege racism.
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Nah, he just resorted to generalizations, like I said in my other post take this sentence he said:
"If cops don't want to be demonized, they could actively speak out when these kinds of things happen"
Now replace "cops" with "Blacks", "Muslims" or even "Jews", if anyone else had posted a generalization post like that here...or anywhere....they be crucified for being racist or a bigot, so why do the left have the freedom to be intolerant towards cops? Why are cops any less deserving of respect that the left holds towards others? Or preach about.
Yeah, that's the real irony here, but you can continue to ignore that and defend cop-haters.
