OT: Princeton Professor Arrest

[NotInRHouse]

I think there are a number of issues that are highly contentious but where the differences are exacerbated by extreme partisanship more than anything else. Many of them should be easier issues to resolve for the better; but special interests (on both sides) and those for whom maintaining the status-quo is ideal keep pointing us at each other so we argue uselessly about this stuff instead of just improving things and moving on.

Human nature being what it is, I don't see this changing anytime soon.

To me this issue is about small government and improving race relations. And there have been some victories- such as when Missouri Republicans, with the support of BLM and a Democratic governor, passed a bill banning towns from getting more than 10% (IIRC) from municipal summons.

A law that would be slam dunk in NJ IMO as well.

 

[RUTBAY]

I was responding to a post from him earlier in thread. I don't think the Princeton cops here were wrong- my issue is that this will be used to claim people claiming police abuse or racism are wrong. Not the case.

And in this very specific case whose fault will that be? If you can honestly answer that question them I think the vast majority of people in this thread would reach concensus.

Racism is such a toxic subject that any group, right or left who are not trying to engender trust does far more damage overall than can be measured as a result of a specific case.

 

[NotInRHouse]

And in this very specific case whose fault will that be? If you can honestly answer that question them I think the vast majority of people in this thread would reach concensus.

That's silly. This professor being whiny doesn't change the fact that today plenty of black people will walk into a store and will be followed around because of their skin tone, and most of them if not all will never raise an issue because it's what they are unfortunately used to.

Just like I don't judge all cops because a minority kill innocent people, all people who complain about racism can't be second guessed because of this professor.

 

[RUTBAY]

That's silly. This professor being whiny doesn't change the fact that today plenty of black people will walk into a store and will be followed around because of their skin tone, and most of them if not all will never raise an issue because it's what they are unfortunately used to.

Just like I don't judge all cops because a minority kill innocent people, all people who complain about racism can't be second guessed because of this professor.

It's not silly at all and you completely miss my intent because you are so fixated on arguing your original point rather than address what I said. Let us all agree that racism exists and affects certain groups disproportionally. Let's also agree that arguing and calling people racist who may have reasonable differing opinions about how to address this issue is unproductive and in this case counterproductive. What does that leave you with except effectively trying to change peoples minds who truly may harbor racist views and who should really be the focus of proper education, understanding, and developing some level of trust.

What this woman did was more than just being whiny, she gave everyone of those people who are looking for every reason not to change just one more arrow in their quiver for ignoring that these events do occur and to ignore any reasonable steps to take to address the problem. I would argue that what she did was more self serving and harmful for the cause than if those cops had actually behaved improperly. Her identity and that of many other leaders appears to be tied to perpetuation and exploitation of this problem rather than toward solving it. Eventually all of these problems need to be solved by developing a common trust between races such that when these events happen that they are genuine and that they genuinely need to be addressed. Without this we all just end up talking past one another.

This needs to be done without hurling false accusations, rioting, destroying property, and robbing people in the very communities where these events take place. What effect did the riots in Ferguson create? Fewer jobs, businesses moving out, and property values plummeting. The only people who made out as a result of that debacle were politicians and professional hustlers.

 

[mildone]

To me this issue is about small government and improving race relations. And there have been some victories- such as when Missouri Republicans, with the support of BLM and a Democratic governor, passed a bill banning towns from getting more than 10% (IIRC) from municipal summons.

A law that would be slam dunk in NJ IMO as well.

Agreed. Thing about being resolutely in the middle is that I often see that many on both sides are in violent agreement about things like that. But people (especially males) seem not to enjoy being in agreement so much. Or at least we are more quickly and easily tilted towards debate than we are towards agreement.

I can observe it, but I have no solution for it other than to keep pointing it out..

 

[Knight Shift]

It's not silly at all and you completely miss my intent because you are so fixated on arguing your original point rather than address what I said. Let us all agree that racism exists and affects certain groups disproportionally. Let's also agree that arguing and calling people racist who may have reasonable differing opinions about how to address this issue is unproductive and in this case counterproductive. What does that leave you with except effectively trying to change peoples minds who truly may harbor racist views and who should really be the focus of proper education, understanding, and developing some level of trust.

What this woman did was more than just being whiny, she gave everyone of those people who are looking for every reason not to change just one more arrow in their quiver for ignoring that these events do occur and to ignore any reasonable steps to take to address the problem. I would argue that what she did was more self serving and harmful for the cause than if those cops had actually behaved improperly. Her identity and that of many other leaders appears to be tied to perpetuation and exploitation of this problem rather than toward solving it. Eventually all of these problems need to be solved by developing a common trust between races such that when these events happen that they are genuine and that they genuinely need to be addressed. Without this we all just end up talking past one another.

This needs to be done without hurling false accusations, rioting, destroying property, and robbing people in the very communities where these events take place. What effect did the riots in Ferguson create? Fewer jobs, businesses moving out, and property values plummeting. The only people who made out as a result of that debacle were politicians and professional hustlers.

Excellent post.
The promotion of disrespect of the police is troubling. The professor broke the law--she was going 67 mph in a 45 mph zone. She had a warrant for her arrest for two unpaid parking tickets. She has a Ph.D. and a J.D. from Harvard, yet she tweeted that she is being arrested for a single parking ticket and she was not allowed to contact friends or family until she was brought to to the police station.

This issue of disrespect of the police is not just a racial issue. Lots of folks want to challenge the authority of the police. In the story linked below, a person's home was on fire. The police asked him for some identification, and he would not cooperate. The police told him to not enter the home, which was on fire, and he disobeyed them. He assaulted the police officer while trying to enter the home, and he was arrested for aggravated assault. So, someone (a Rutgers alum) posts a comment on the story "Really? A mans home is burning down and you arrest him?" My reaction is really, the officer is trying to protect you from harm, and you assault him?

Meanwhile, this Professor is teaching her children that with respect to the "killing of Mike Brown" that "we are entering a period of history in which we are going to have to organize, to protest, to speak out, to fight back against our dehumanization"? How about teaching your children that there are consequences for not following the law, something she apparently fails to appreciate, and there can be worse consequences for challenging law enforcement officers and putting them in a position where they are threatened or assaulted.

http://www.app.com/story/news/local/emergencies/2016/02/15/ocean-township-house-fire/80395936/

 

[CERU00]

That's silly. This professor being whiny doesn't change the fact that today plenty of black people will walk into a store and will be followed around because of their skin tone, and most of them if not all will never raise an issue because it's what they are unfortunately used to.

Just like I don't judge all cops because a minority kill innocent people, all people who complain about racism can't be second guessed because of this professor.

I'm white and I've been followed in stores before. I didn't make a scene or go to the police. Should I now be outraged and make demands? I need some help on playing the victim here..

 

[RuRahRah2010]

You can't get warrants for parking tickets. But she had an unpaid speeding ticket.

 

[RU4Real]

You can't get warrants for parking tickets. But she had an unpaid speeding ticket.

You're completely wrong. Two unpaid parking tickets will get you a bench warrant. She had no unpaid speeding ticket. You should actually read the articles.

 

[mdk01]

You're completely wrong. Two unpaid parking tickets will get you a bench warrant. She had no unpaid speeding ticket. You should actually read the articles.

But it was only discovered as part of another violation. The Princeton police aren't issuing BOLO's for parking ticket bench warrants.

 

[RU4Real]

But it was only discovered as part of another violation. The Princeton police aren't issuing BOLO's for parking ticket bench warrants.

I don't know what that has to do with the price of tea in China. Nobody said anything about a BOLO. She was stopped for doing 67 in a 45.

Let's not let that simple fact, in and of itself, get away - she was going almost 70 miles an hour in what is essentially a residential area.

When they ran her DL it was discovered that she had an outstanding warrant per 2 unpaid parking tickets.

That means handcuffs and a hook. In ANY jurisdiction in NJ, for anybody - regardless of skin color.

 

[rurichdog]

But it was only discovered as part of another violation. The Princeton police aren't issuing BOLO's for parking ticket bench warrants.

IIRC, Princeton does use optical license plate reading technology, but that wasn't what caught the Professor...a good old fashioned radar gun did.

 

[Tango Two]

You can't get warrants for parking tickets. But she had an unpaid speeding ticket.

Wrong

 

[MSRU71]

I live in Princeton and was stopped for doing 26 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. I asked if Princeton has a policy of harassing old, fat, white haired Jewish people. I asked to be patted down, but he refused. I was sent on my way with a warning. This is certainly an injustice.There certainly is a lawsuit here somewhere.

Look folks, she broke the law and got caught. She was embarrassed and outraged that the police called her out. She tried to get out of it, as we all do. Her approach did not work, and the police came out smelling like a rose on this one. This needs to go to "Other Topics"

Can we get back to football?

 

[RUsSKii]

I live in Princeton and was stopped for doing 26 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. I asked if Princeton has a policy of harassing old, fat, white haired Jewish people. I asked to be patted down, but he refused. I was sent on my way with a warning. This is certainly an injustice.There certainly is a lawsuit here somewhere.

Look folks, she broke the law and got caught. She was embarrassed and outraged that the police called her out. She tried to get out of it, as we all do. Her approach did not work, and the police came out smelling like a rose on this one. This needs to go to "Other Topics"

Can we get back to football?

While I agree with the general gist of your post and don't mean to take this thread on a further tangent, being pulled over for traveling 1 MPH over the speed limit is laughable, and I would gladly tell this to any police officer. The 1 MPH difference can easily result from failing to recalibrate a radar gun prior to use, or conversely not recalibrating ones speedometer after switching to different wheels (say, summer to winter, or 17" to 18" diameter). Also, the vast majority of roads have a safe design speed for all vehicles in normal conditions that is at least 5, and for highways usually 10 or more, MPH over the legally posted speed limit.

 

[NotInRHouse]

It's not silly at all and you completely miss my intent because you are so fixated on arguing your original point rather than address what I said. Let us all agree that racism exists and affects certain groups disproportionally. Let's also agree that arguing and calling people racist who may have reasonable differing opinions about how to address this issue is unproductive and in this case counterproductive. What does that leave you with except effectively trying to change peoples minds who truly may harbor racist views and who should really be the focus of proper education, understanding, and developing some level of trust.

What this woman did was more than just being whiny, she gave everyone of those people who are looking for every reason not to change just one more arrow in their quiver for ignoring that these events do occur and to ignore any reasonable steps to take to address the problem. I would argue that what she did was more self serving and harmful for the cause than if those cops had actually behaved improperly. Her identity and that of many other leaders appears to be tied to perpetuation and exploitation of this problem rather than toward solving it. Eventually all of these problems need to be solved by developing a common trust between races such that when these events happen that they are genuine and that they genuinely need to be addressed. Without this we all just end up talking past one another.

This needs to be done without hurling false accusations, rioting, destroying property, and robbing people in the very communities where these events take place. What effect did the riots in Ferguson create? Fewer jobs, businesses moving out, and property values plummeting. The only people who made out as a result of that debacle were politicians and professional hustlers.

The question is then why is anyone looking for that arrow. I am white. I have no reason to doubt that black people are harassed by the police. This is self evident: look at sentencing, particularly on cocaine vs crack, the statistics like 95% of manner of walking tickets in Ferguson issued to blacks, and in cases like Eric Garner and Tamir Rice, where the cities hired and/or retained officers with demonstrated inability to handle basic officer functions. We can get into societal aspects as well, like African American names not getting call backs on resumes where whites got them.

I just do not understand why so many white people are worked up about this. Racism is a fact. Police brutality is a fact.

We can argue all day about solutions, but that racism exists, or that people should be looking to disprove it, is silly, it's just willful blindness.

 

[NotInRHouse]

While I agree with the general gist of your post and don't mean to take this thread on a further tangent, being pulled over for traveling 1 MPH over the speed limit is laughable, and I would gladly tell this to any police officer. The 1 MPH difference can easily result from failing to recalibrate a radar gun prior to use, or conversely not recalibrating ones speedometer after switching to different wheels (say, summer to winter, or 17" to 18" diameter). Also, the vast majority of roads have a safe design speed for all vehicles in normal conditions that is at least 5, and for highways usually 10 or more, MPH over the legally posted speed limit.

This is a regular occurrence all over NJ. Meanwhile down the street in Trenton gangs control neighborhoods, but our tax dollars are being spent on this. Again, this is why police issues to me, especially in NJ, go beyond race. Race is sometimes a factor. Not with this professor. But with speeding, greed tends to be overriding factor.

 

[NotInRHouse]

I'm white and I've been followed in stores before. I didn't make a scene or go to the police. Should I now be outraged and make demands? I need some help on playing the victim here..

Was it because you're white and was the store like nearly most major American chains regularly accused of having a policy of following minorities?

Why is that a contingent of white people is so fixated on black people discussing racism? If you're not a racist, it likely does not affect you. We are all paying for overreaching cops. That is the real story. Yet some white people feel that the police cannot be criticized, but teachers or other public servants, or black people, are totally fair game for criticism and generalizations.

 

[Knight Shift]

Was it because you're white and was the store like nearly most major American chains regularly accused of having a policy of following minorities?

Why is that a contingent of white people is so fixated on black people discussing racism? If you're not a racist, it likely does not affect you. We are all paying for overreaching cops. That is the real story. Yet some white people feel that the police cannot be criticized, but teachers or other public servants, or black people, are totally fair game for criticism and generalizations.

Not sure what you end game is?
You seem fixated on white people discussing false claims or intimations of racism.
You also seem very anti police. Do you want cars driving nearly 70 mph down your residential street without the police doing anything about it?

 

[brgossRU90]

I don't recall anyone trying to rationalizing North Charleston away. To the contrary, I recall universal condemnation

Have you ever seen a 6 page thread about such a thing? No. What you might see, maybe, is a quick condemnation. But catch one minority making a false claim of racism and it's page after page of "I told you so."

 

[Kbee3]

Have you ever seen a 6 page thread about such a thing? No. What you might see, maybe, is a quick condemnation. But catch one minority making a false claim of racism and it's page after page of "I told you so."

Yeah, but please tell me how many pages the thread would have been if there was no dashboard camera for all to see the level of brutality meted out by those Princeton cops to that poor black woman ?

 

[brgossRU90]

Was it because you're white and was the store like nearly most major American chains regularly accused of having a policy of following minorities?

Why is that a contingent of white people is so fixated on black people discussing racism? If you're not a racist, it likely does not affect you. We are all paying for overreaching cops. That is the real story. Yet some white people feel that the police cannot be criticized, but teachers or other public servants, or black people, are totally fair game for criticism and generalizations.

I've long been struck by how some people who claim to not be racist get so bent out of shape by allegations of racism coming from various black leaders. If you're not racist you have no reason to be defensive.

 

[redlinehw]

Unnecessarily playing the race card = hyperspace button for minorities trying to get out of trouble.

 

[RU4Real]

Have you ever seen a 6 page thread about such a thing? No. What you might see, maybe, is a quick condemnation. But catch one minority making a false claim of racism and it's page after page of "I told you so."

You're still an idiot. It's not "page after page of 'I told you so'". It's page after page of you (and apparently people on my ignore list) bitching about how it's no big deal that this woman broke the law (several times) and then blamed getting caught on police racism - and that anyone who has a problem with her actions must be a racist.

There are actually a lot of good posts in this thread. You won't acknowledge that, because you're a confirmed, 100% proven, Professional Victim.

 

[brgossRU90]

Yeah, but please tell me how many pages the thread would have been if there was no dashboard camera for all to see the level of brutality meted out by those Princeton cops to that poor black woman ?

No idea but thats because we have some people who apparently will never believe one allegation of police brutality unless it's caught on tape, and even then they often try to rationalize it away. If that cop in North Charleston hadn't been caught on tape how many people on here do you suppose would've implicitly defended him to the bitter end?

 

[brgossRU90]

You're still an idiot. It's not "page after page of 'I told you so'". It's page after page of you (and apparently people on my ignore list) bitching about how it's no big deal that this woman broke the law (several times) and then blamed getting caught on police racism - and that anyone who has a problem with her actions must be a racist.

There are actually a lot of good posts in this thread. You won't acknowledge that, because you're a confirmed, 100% proven, Professional Victim.

Are you stupid or just dishonest? Look at all the posts that started the thread.

 

[RU4Real]

Are you stupid or just dishonest? Look at all the posts that started the thread.

Yeah, you're going back on "Ignore", along with the other Professional Victims.

 

[T2Kplus10]

I just do not understand why so many white people are worked up about this. Racism is a fact. Police brutality is a fact.

We can argue all day about solutions, but that racism exists, or that people should be looking to disprove it, is silly, it's just willful blindness.

We are talking about this case. And in this case, there was no racism nor police brutality. The professor has been proven to be a liar. People crying wolf like this make others ignore real racism. You just say that the professor was wrong, is a liar, and move on.

 

[RUTBAY]

Why is that a contingent of white people is so fixated on black people discussing racism? If you're not a racist, it likely does not affect you.

But it does affect everyone. Again you refuse to listen to what some are trying to say in this thread. I can only think it is because it's you who believe all white people are somehow inherently racist, even perhaps yourself. The reason why some white people are so fixated on this discussion is because of the turn in the current climate and wholesale lumping of people together in categories of white privilege and male patriarchy which is having the opposite effect of what is intended. Much of this is driven by "Studies" courses in universities who turn out unemployable students looking for new ways to classifying and/or condemn others. Their degrees are pretty much not worth the paper upon which they are printed unless they themselves can get employment in academia passing along their dogma. Things are getting worse as a result of this, not better. We see relations getting worse not better and believe in many cases it's because others have found it expedient to use a deservedly highly charged topic as a tool to either enrich themselves or to get elected to political office.

My wife who worked in a middle school left because she could no longer tolerate the messages being sent to young boys there. She just decided that she couldn't work in a environment where essentially half the student population was being labeled as sexual predators and told so on a somewhat regular basis. This started happening only about 5 years or so ago. She went to work in the insurance business instead.Tell that to my nephew who is half black but was told when he started college in Vermont that he somehow had a head start on his peers because he wasn't recognizably black. Another example is the woman who is the subject of this thread who has done more harm than good with respect to race relations because of her either blatant desire to somehow profit from an incident or that she just didn't have the fortitude to own up to her offenses. Who benefits from this woman's false accusations? If all you do is preach to the choir about being sinners then don't be surprised when the choir becomes tone deaf to the message and are no longer interested in helping you proselytize. This is where we are today as a society and nobody is better off as a result.

 

[ru78]

unreal, playing the race card is getting old

It is a parking ticket cow girl. Anyone can peel one off or get blown away if not secured on the wiper blade. Total bull shit and it does not matter which card is played. Very sad

 

[Knight Shift]

It is a parking ticket cow girl. Anyone can peel one off or get blown away if not secured on the wiper blade. Total bull shit and it does not matter which card is played. Very sad

It's two parking tickets and getting caught driving 67 mph in a 45 mph zone. Fool me once, fool me twice, and a leadfoot to boot. Very appropriate.

 

[RU4Real]

It is a parking ticket cow girl. Anyone can peel one off or get blown away if not secured on the wiper blade. Total bull shit and it does not matter which card is played. Very sad

It was two parking tickets. And they don't issue bench warrants without issuing several Notices to Appear.

Anyone who gets so far as to have a bench warrant issued for unpaid parking tickets and then says they didn't know about them is lying.

 

[RUTBAY]

My wife who worked in a middle school left because she could no longer tolerate the messages being sent to young boys there. She just decided that she couldn't work in a environment where essentially half the student population was being labeled as sexual predators and told so on a somewhat regular basis. This started happening only about 5 years or so ago. .

BTW: In addition to being told they were sexual predators because they were boys, many of those boys were drugged because society says that normal boy behavior is unacceptable in a classroom and therefor there is something wrong with them that requires medication and that the teacher should expect them to behave like young girls instead. This is from someone who has no sons, only daughters but realizes that in the long run my daughters will be worse off since the ability to have a healthy relationship in the future is affected by potential future spouses or partners effectively checking out from being emotionally stunted because throughout their entire lives they are wrong.

I'm done here because I'm getting off track. Flame away at my expense.

 

[NorthernKnight]

I've long been struck by how some people who claim to not be racist get so bent out of shape by allegations of racism coming from various black leaders. If you're not racist you have no reason to be defensive.

Actually yes you do.

When black leaders and the press make the news instead of report on it, we all lose as a society.

 

[Kbee3]

No idea but thats because we have some people who apparently will never believe one allegation of police brutality unless it's caught on tape, and even then they often try to rationalize it away. If that cop in North Charleston hadn't been caught on tape how many people on here do you suppose would've implicitly defended him to the bitter end?

Well, I agree with your point. There appear to be dunderheads on both sides of this type of issue.
I still wonder how long this thread would be if there was no video to back up the police version of the incident....which in this particular case seems to be the truth. Lucky for the cops....and their careers.
Not so lucky for the lying Afro-American Studies prof.

 

[NorthernKnight]

Well, I agree with your point. There appear to be dunderheads on both sides of this type of issue.
I still wonder how long this thread would be if there was no video to back up the police version of the incident....which in this particular case seems to be the truth. Lucky for the cops....and their careers.
Not so lucky for the lying Afro-American Studies prof.

Bulls eye.

That's why body cameras are so critical and need to be standard operating procedure.

They will help suppress and weed out the small % of bad cops.

But they also will stop BS like this case.

One other thing it will do. It'll show the environment police work under and let people make judgments based on recorded evidence about level of disrespect for police and militarization by police.

I haven't heard a single person say body cams aren't a good idea.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Wow, I watched the video and those cops brutalized her because she was black. Time for another Million Man March on Washington I guess.:sunglasses: If well educated people try and play the race card with so little regard for the truth, then racism in the eyes of Blacks, in this country, will never go away. MLK's,"I had a dream" wasn't about getting away with breaking the law, I'm pretty sure he just wanted to have his race treated like everyone else. Sickening that a women who's obviously smart could be so dumb.

Yup. This proves one thing...no matter how many PhD's and Ivy League degrees this woman has, she is still a "dummy". PhD's are not necessarily equivocal to ethics and good sense.

 

[DJ Spanky]

I just do not understand why so many white people are worked up about this. Racism is a fact. Police brutality is a fact.

We can argue all day about solutions, but that racism exists, or that people should be looking to disprove it, is silly, it's just willful blindness.

We are talking about this case. And in this case, there was no racism nor police brutality. The professor has been proven to be a liar. People crying wolf like this make others ignore real racism. You just say that the professor was wrong, is a liar, and move on.

T2K pretty much nailed it with this post.

 

[mdk01]

The question is then why is anyone looking for that arrow. I am white. I have no reason to doubt that black people are harassed by the police. This is self evident: look at sentencing, particularly on cocaine vs crack, the statistics like 95% of manner of walking tickets in Ferguson issued to blacks, and in cases like Eric Garner and Tamir Rice, where the cities hired and/or retained officers with demonstrated inability to handle basic officer functions. We can get into societal aspects as well, like African American names not getting call backs on resumes where whites got them.

I just do not understand why so many white people are worked up about this. Racism is a fact. Police brutality is a fact.

We can argue all day about solutions, but that racism exists, or that people should be looking to disprove it, is silly, it's just willful blindness.

You are assuming that crack/cocaine sentencing can be extrapolated over the whole spectrum of fines, penalties, right down to parking tickets.

You are assuming that police behavior in Ferguson, Missouri can be extrapolated to cover the entire country, including Princeton, NJ.

You are assuming wrong.

 

[mdk01]

This is a regular occurrence all over NJ. Meanwhile down the street in Trenton gangs control neighborhoods, but our tax dollars are being spent on this. Again, this is why police issues to me, especially in NJ, go beyond race. Race is sometimes a factor. Not with this professor. But with speeding, greed tends to be overriding factor.

The Princeton police are funded by property taxes on the residents of Princeton. How is what happens in Trenton relevant in any way with respect to this incident?