OT: Princeton Professor Arrest

[DHajekRC84]

So with some of the things that have been posted in this thread as well as the ones about the Super Bowl halftime show and some Milo person, it's this guy who is the biggest bigot on this site? Can you possibly be serious? Just who did he make bigoted remarks towards?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bigotTop Definition. bigot. One who is narrrowly or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices.

but then again I must hate "brown" people and work night and day to hold them back because I am an Old White guy.

I didn't read the SB thread. But I am sure he's not the only one. I'll trust there were some candidates in there as well. nuff said. moving on.

 

[zappaa]

While I actually agree with you about the family unit and certainly the negative impact of the hip-hop culture on the Black community you kind of lost me when you tied that into racism. Please explain if you will. Also your point about no White person being better or more capable than you on any level is one I also agree with . That equates to a pro-Black mindset. But the thing is that a lot of people are trying to now associate that view with racism by Blacks.

It's not superiority Jersey, it's no one is better than you, I don't see how that mindset equates to racism.
We have round tables and programs at our museum where we bring in very successful minority speakers that preach no one can stop you, no one will block you, you can do and be anything you want...I love that mindset from the minority community, for me personally that has zero racial overtones.

 

[KJ_RU]

No invasion, just talking about an A hole professor, and for some reason It's being construed by some there's no racism in America.
We all know racism exists, and we all know the demise of the black family unit and culture has much to do with it. What brought on that demise is up for debate, in my experience, the black people I know who've preached responsibility, accountability, no white man is better than you, you can be or do anything you want in this country and people will bend over backwards to help you seem to prosper

Once again, wow. I'm glad we agree that racism exists, go back and explain that to some of the other posters in this thread.

There are people of all races that are down in this country and they all have to have the qualities you mention to have success, even then they may not reach their goals. The black people you know preach accountability, responsibility, no one is better than you, etc achieve success...the implication is those that don't succeed are lacking those qualities. That notion simply isn't true, there are people of all races that get up everyday and give their all but for whatever reason it's like 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

The black people you know have certain qualities that made them successful, I'm sure the successful white, asian, hispanic people you know have the same qualities and believe it or not many don't. It's not a condition exclusive to black people.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

It's not superiority Jersey, it's no one is better than you, I don't see how that mindset equates to racism.
We have round tables and programs at our museum where we bring in very successful minority speakers that preach no one can stop you, no one will block you, you can do and be anything you want...I love that mindset from the minority community, for me personally that has zero racial overtones.

I absolutely agree with that sir. Something that the President also preaches. He's been saying for years how it's incumbent upon parents to turn off the TV and place emphasis on their children's education and achievements. But part of the problem is that if it's not coming from someone Black like a Ben Carson or Herman Cain but instead a speaker who also says I tell them to obtain all the tools to success but at the same time don't you dare try to block them, then you're seen as bad.

 

[KJ_RU]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bigotTop Definition. bigot. One who is narrrowly or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices.

but then again I must hate "brown" people and work night and day to hold them back because I am an Old White guy.

I didn't read the SB thread. But I am sure he's not the only one. I'll trust there were some candidates in there as well. nuff said. moving on.

Nice try, I used the term brown people but I never accused anyone of hating them or holding them back. Instead of just seeing words, you should actually read the posts.

I said this board is mostly made up of old white guys that have like minded views, nothing more nothing less.

Their are several people in this thread that have narrow minded views but I don't think I'm one of them. I've said a few times how I felt about this woman and this situation, go back read and comprehend it.

 

[KJ_RU]

I absolutely agree with that sir. Something that the President also preaches. He's been saying for years how it's incumbent upon parents to turn off the TV and place emphasis on their children's education and achievements. But part of the problem is that if it's not coming from someone Black like a Ben Carson or Herman Cain but instead a speaker who also says I tell them to obtain all the tools to success but at the same time don't you dare try to block them, then you're seen as bad.

The POTUS sends that message to all parents and all kids. The qualities mentioned are necessary for anyone to be successful not just black people...and if you don't succeed or reach your ultimate goal it may not always be because you lack those qualities as some imply.

 

[RU4Real]

Nice try, I used the term brown people but I never accused anyone of hating them or holding them back. Instead of just seeing words, you should actually read the posts.

I said this board is mostly made up of old white guys that have like minded views, nothing more nothing less.

Their are several people in this thread that have narrow minded views but I don't think I'm one of them. I've said a few times how I felt about this woman and this situation, go back read and comprehend it.

You know absolutely nothing about the comprehensive views of "old white guys".

To suggest that you do is completely ignorant.

The problem with this thread - and more specifically your "contribution" to it - is that it's mostly straw.

No one is denying racism exists. Racism is endemic. White people are, from time to time, guilty of racism toward blacks and hispanics. Blacks are guilty of racism toward whites and hispanics - especially the latter, as any good trip to Lakewood will show.

Racism is a societal given. It's not a construct of this country, or any other. It's not the sole domain of "old white guys". Racism has existed in every culture since cultures first met, and clashed (the racial hatred between nationalities in Asia makes this country look like a 60s commune).

Combating it, making the best of it, making it better... that's everyone's responsibility. And the execution of that responsibility, in the here and now, is severely challenged every time somebody like this professor takes an everyday inconvenience and blames it on racism. It happens every time somebody like Al Sharpton fabricates a horrific racial incident out of whole cloth and profits from it. Incidents such as these don't close the racial divide, they widen it - and if you can't accept that, if you can't understand the reasons, then you're as much a part of the problem as they are.

 

[KJ_RU]

You know absolutely nothing about the comprehensive views of "old white guys".

To suggest that you do is completely ignorant.

The problem with this thread - and more specifically your "contribution" to it - is that it's mostly straw.

No one is denying racism exists. Racism is endemic. White people are, from time to time, guilty of racism toward blacks and hispanics. Blacks are guilty of racism toward whites and hispanics - especially the latter, as any good trip to Lakewood will show.

Racism is a societal given. It's not a construct of this country, or any other. It's not the sole domain of "old white guys". Racism has existed in every culture since cultures first met, and clashed (the racial hatred between nationalities in Asia makes this country look like a 60s commune).

Combating it, making the best of it, making it better... that's everyone's responsibility. And the execution of that responsibility, in the here and now, is severely challenged every time somebody like this professor takes an everyday inconvenience and blames it on racism. It happens every time somebody like Al Sharpton fabricates a horrific racial incident out of whole cloth and profits from it. Incidents such as these don't close the racial divide, they widen it - and if you can't accept that, if you can't understand the reasons, then you're as much a part of the problem as they are.

Thank you, this post sums up my entire point. I never said I understood the comprehensive views of old white guys, what I said was this board was made up of like minded old white guys. That's a huge difference, me and you are like minded in that we both like Rutgers football yet we will still disagree on some things. See the difference?

I never placed the blame of racism on old white guys or anyone else, I simply said it exists and that was in response to many folks implying that it didn't or was way overblown. Nobody called them out yet 5 pages into it you jump in and attempt to give me a lecture about racism and why it exists, and how do you support this lecture? Ironically by throwing out straw, racism in America goes far beyond Sharpton and this woman. The first step to addressing racism is acknowledging that it exists, which many in this thread weren't doing. The other prevailing notion in this thread is that the flames of racism are being stoked by people like this woman and Al Sharpton. Newsflash, white folks stoke the flames also. It seems for some that racism doesn't exist or it does exist but it's all their fault, lol. This entire thread people talked about how blacks contribute to racism, how blacks need to step up and improve their lives, how blacks use and abuse the system, etc. Not once have I read any acknowledgement that whites also contribute to racism...to even suggest it gets you called a racist, even though you have no idea who I am, lol.

Thanks for your history lesson and your 'contribution' but it wasn't needed. Oh and I apologize to all for using the phrase 'old white guys' that has apparently pissed some folks off.

 

[zappaa]

I don't like being an old white guy KJ…:D[winking]
I don't feel old at all…

 

[KJ_RU]

I don't like being an old white guy KJ…:D[winking]
I don't feel old at all…

You're not old you're a seasoned veteran, lol.

 

[RU4Real]

Thank you, this post sums up my entire point. I never said I understood the comprehensive views of old white guys, what I said was this board was made up of like minded old white guys. That's a huge difference, me and you are like minded in that we both like Rutgers football yet we will still disagree on some things. See the difference?

I never placed the blame of racism on old white guys or anyone else, I simply said it exists and that was in response to many folks implying that it didn't or was way overblown. Nobody called them out yet 5 pages into it you jump in and attempt to give me a lecture about racism and why it exists, and how do you support this lecture? Ironically by throwing out straw, racism in America goes far beyond Sharpton and this woman. The first step to addressing racism is acknowledging that it exists, which many in this thread weren't doing. The other prevailing notion in this thread is that the flames of racism are being stoked by people like this woman and Al Sharpton. Newsflash, white folks stoke the flames also. It seems for some that racism doesn't exist or it does exist but it's all their fault, lol. This entire thread people talked about how blacks contribute to racism, how blacks need to step up and improve their lives, how blacks use and abuse the system, etc. Not once have I read any acknowledgement that whites also contribute to racism...to even suggest it gets you called a racist, even though you have no idea who I am, lol.

Thanks for your history lesson and your 'contribution' but it wasn't needed. Oh and I apologize to all for using the phrase 'old white guys' that has apparently pissed some folks off.

To quote a good actor in a decent movie starring a future incredibly hot chick, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

Acknowledging racism, while appropriate, won't make it go away (see previous example re: Asia, they've had a few thousand years).

Acknowledging racism doesn't make it stop happening.

And, believe it or not, "racism" in and of itself, does NOT prevent the most visibly identifiable victims from advancing, from improving their plight.

Racism doesn't prevent black kids from going to school. Racism doesn't make them sell crack on street corners to their own neighbors. Racism doesn't make kids join gangs, racism doesn't make them do drugs, racism doesn't make them steal from businesses in their own community, it doesn't make them pick up a gun and murder somebody across the street.

You can make the argument that black Americans have had, historically, a longer and more difficult struggle in the context of U.S. history but as others have no doubt reminded you at some point, institutional racism during the Industrial Revolution explicitly prevented immigrants from places like Ireland and Italy from getting jobs.

Martin Luther King Jr.'s message was "We shall overcome." It wasn't "We're going to wait until everybody starts being nice to us."

Each and every single person of color has it within him to overcome the obstacles and barriers of racism and improve their lot in life. Nobody is stopping them from doing that. Sure, they may not be "privileged", but guess what? There's an awful lot of white folks here - myself included - that didn't grow up "privileged". We own our destinies. We are responsible for our outcomes. That's what life is all about, that's what this country is all about.

Yes, racism exists. And it sucks. But it's not the reason that so many black communities are suffering from disadvantage.

 

[NorthernKnight]

I never said you know any and I never assumed or suggested that you would associate with them, you threw that out there. What I said was that this one incident isn't a measuring stick for race relations in this country, you stupidly chose to contest that. This country has had problems with race for decades, this one incident won't sway it one way or the other. I'm not saying if it's right or wrong, I'm simply saying it exists. If you chose to ignore that then I don't know what else to say.

You said that you never met any black people that viewed themselves as victims and that was a horrible way to live. Yet, todays republican party feels they are victims and that 'their' country was stolen from them. Take our country back, really? Make our country great again, really?

Yet ferguson, completely based on lies, started the "Hands up don't shoot" movement...

 

[NorthernKnight]

Probably not more than I've met though. And I've seen plenty of racism aimed at some of my black friends. And I've encountered racism in the workplace where white people think, for reasons that have always escaped me, that because I'm white, I'm tolerant of their racism.

I think @KJ_RU has a valid point w/regards to this thread. The fact that this woman may be leveraging race in an unethical fashion does not mean that all minorities do that. And while I don't necessarily think folks in this thread are saying that all minorities do anything bad or good; the thread has taken on that feel, which maybe isn't the best thing ever.

I'm not making any kind of general statement about this board or anybody on it. Nor am I choosing sides in this ridiculous thread. Just pointing out that if we're going to be taking our anecdotal experiences and extrapolating them out to represent society as a whole, then we're just being dumb. Our personal experiences or even our entire group of associate's experiences are not necessarily representative of how things are for everyone or for a significant majority.

I don't believe anybody said all minorities use race in an unethical fashion. That's a classic strawman argument...

 

[NorthernKnight]

Wow,

So you're saying there's racism in the US?

That's your point, angry man.
Good job.

BTW, there's racists of every color out there. Many that accuse the others of racism are the actual racists.

You want to see racism...have one of those angry old men walk into the projects in the south Bronx...

 

[NorthernKnight]

To quote a good actor in a decent movie starring a future incredibly hot chick, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

Acknowledging racism, while appropriate, won't make it go away (see previous example re: Asia, they've had a few thousand years).

Acknowledging racism doesn't make it stop happening.

And, believe it or not, "racism" in and of itself, does NOT prevent the most visibly identifiable victims from advancing, from improving their plight.

Racism doesn't prevent black kids from going to school. Racism doesn't make them sell crack on street corners to their own neighbors. Racism doesn't make kids join gangs, racism doesn't make them do drugs, racism doesn't make them steal from businesses in their own community, it doesn't make them pick up a gun and murder somebody across the street.

You can make the argument that black Americans have had, historically, a longer and more difficult struggle in the context of U.S. history but as others have no doubt reminded you at some point, institutional racism during the Industrial Revolution explicitly prevented immigrants from places like Ireland and Italy from getting jobs.

Martin Luther King Jr.'s message was "We shall overcome." It wasn't "We're going to wait until everybody starts being nice to us."

Each and every single person of color has it within him to overcome the obstacles and barriers of racism and improve their lot in life. Nobody is stopping them from doing that. Sure, they may not be "privileged", but guess what? There's an awful lot of white folks here - myself included - that didn't grow up "privileged". We own our destinies. We are responsible for our outcomes. That's what life is all about, that's what this country is all about.

Yes, racism exists. And it sucks. But it's not the reason that so many black communities are suffering from disadvantage.

Best post in the thread.

Every time we have a serious discussion about racism, two things are brought to the forefront by the libs clinging to a philosophy of rampant racism everywhere:

1) a philosophy that somehow we are all responsible for snuffing out all racism everywhere

2) that reverse stereotypes like "angry old men" are just fine and acceptable

# 2 is predictable and it's a terrible shortcoming of libs...the need to stereotype and shout down any opinion that doesn't fit theirs

#1 is really a major issue and gets to what "Real" is saying. We have become such a colorblind, fully integrated society that the twists people need to go to to find racism that actually impairs people from succeeding in America is shocking. They drop back to "institutional racism" or "perceived racism". Meanwhile, that institutional or perceived racism in no way stops many many many people of color from achieving in major ways every day.

 

[jerzey devil]

I'm just glad that theres video that exposes this person for the liar that she is!!

 

[NotInRHouse]

Yet ferguson, completely based on lies, started the "Hands up don't shoot" movement...

See this is the problem. How about the fact that 95% of "manner of walking" tickets go to black people? Or the fact that two journalists were arrested in Ferguson for reporting on protests?

Or how about the cop that killed Eric Garner previously causing a lawsuit against the city, or the cop killing Tamir Rice being fired from another town for being mentally unstable?

To me, there should be a ton of conservative outrage on these issues. Government overreach. Wasteful spending.

Ferguson is not a lie. You can say whatever you want about Michael Brown, but what happened there exposed the fact that are serious governmental problems, so much so that Missouri Republicans began passing laws cracking down on the police.

This professor may be a blowhard. OK. The fact of the matter is, yeah we will never erradicate racism altogether. But that doesn't change the fact that we should deny it exists or downplay it.

But what I really don't want to do, is with my tax dollars, finance guns for the mentally unstable, the arrest of journalists, and arrests for people walking funny. Do you?

 

[mikeinsec127]

Here is the stupid thing, NJ DMV suspends your drivers license for parking tickets and a half dozen other things that have nothing to do with driving; like child support. Parking offenses should lead to your registration being suspended and there should be no arrest warrant for parking.

That all being said, the professor was daed wrong and the officers did a great job.

 

[LevaosLectures]

I'm happy to say I don't personally know any white people that ACTULLY hold brown people back, and if I did I wouldn't knowingly associate with them.
There's not another athlete who ever lived that who didn't campaign for and try to help minority's more than my dad.

No...
I said the black people I've met who view themselves as victims have a more difficult time becoming successful. And yes, feeling victimized is a horrible way to live.

Zappaa is already on record wanting to ban all Muslim immigrants. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[zappaa]

Zappaa is already on record wanting to ban all Muslim immigrants. Take that for what it's worth.

For the time being yes.

 

[NorthernKnight]

See this is the problem. How about the fact that 95% of "manner of walking" tickets go to black people? Or the fact that two journalists were arrested in Ferguson for reporting on protests?

Or how about the cop that killed Eric Garner previously causing a lawsuit against the city, or the cop killing Tamir Rice being fired from another town for being mentally unstable?

To me, there should be a ton of conservative outrage on these issues. Government overreach. Wasteful spending.

Ferguson is not a lie. You can say whatever you want about Michael Brown, but what happened there exposed the fact that are serious governmental problems, so much so that Missouri Republicans began passing laws cracking down on the police.

This professor may be a blowhard. OK. The fact of the matter is, yeah we will never erradicate racism altogether. But that doesn't change the fact that we should deny it exists or downplay it.

But what I really don't want to do, is with my tax dollars, finance guns for the mentally unstable, the arrest of journalists, and arrests for people walking funny. Do you?

You're going to have to bring documentation for the 95% of the people arrested for walking funny statistic.

We agree that the professor is an opportunist and that's a shame.

We also agree that mentally unstable shouldn't have guns themselves within their access....I'm in for required reporting by mental health providers, linking the databases and holding the gun owner criminally liable for the crimes committed with the weapon.

Journalist...chicken shit issue...

 

[NorthernKnight]

For the time being yes.

I am also in support of a ban from countries where we cannot properly vet backgrounds.

 

[delaynomore]

See this is the problem. How about the fact that 95% of "manner of walking" tickets go to black people? Or the fact that two journalists were arrested in Ferguson for reporting on protests?

Or how about the cop that killed Eric Garner previously causing a lawsuit against the city, or the cop killing Tamir Rice being fired from another town for being mentally unstable?

To me, there should be a ton of conservative outrage on these issues. Government overreach. Wasteful spending.

Ferguson is not a lie. You can say whatever you want about Michael Brown, but what happened there exposed the fact that are serious governmental problems, so much so that Missouri Republicans began passing laws cracking down on the police.

This professor may be a blowhard. OK. The fact of the matter is, yeah we will never erradicate racism altogether. But that doesn't change the fact that we should deny it exists or downplay it.

But what I really don't want to do, is with my tax dollars, finance guns for the mentally unstable, the arrest of journalists, and arrests for people walking funny. Do you?

This professor is not a blowhard. She is a liar and in this climate, her lie might have resulted in the ruination of the careers of two officers. Two public servants who not only did nothing wrong but performed their duties in an exemplary manner.

That piece of human trash should have her useless "career" destroyed just as she tried to ruin the lives of two innocent people.

Sucks for her there was a video. Stop trying to make the issue bigger than it is. She is a despicable piece of human trash. Nothing more.

 

[NotInRHouse]

@NorthernKnight

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-walking-black-ferguson-police-justice-report-20150305-story.html

"But according to the federal report, police have routinely used the law for another purpose — to fine and harass blacks. African Americans accounted for 95% of manner of walking along roadway charges from 2011 to 2013, according to the report."

Also, journalists being arrested is a serious issue. Sitting in a McDonalds and taking notes on what is happening outside- not a crime and that is a huge government overreach and a waste of tax dollars.

 

[mdk01]

@NorthernKnight

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-walking-black-ferguson-police-justice-report-20150305-story.html

"But according to the federal report, police have routinely used the law for another purpose — to fine and harass blacks. African Americans accounted for 95% of manner of walking along roadway charges from 2011 to 2013, according to the report."

Also, journalists being arrested is a serious issue. Sitting in a McDonalds and taking notes on what is happening outside- not a crime and that is a huge government overreach and a waste of tax dollars.

Explain to me just how 2 Princeton police officers are responsible in any way, or complicit, with regards to "walking along roadway" charges in Ferguson Missouri. Do you believe in collective guilt on the basis of being a cop?

 

[Caliknight]

I am also in support of a ban from countries where we cannot properly vet backgrounds.

As should every clear thinking American be. Obvious.

 

[Knight Shift]

Oh and I apologize to all for using the phrase 'old white guys' that has apparently pissed some folks off.

Can you define old?

 

[brgossRU90]

Once again it speaks volumes that a video disproving allegations of racism brings out the usual suspects to cluck "told you so", implying that nearly every claim of racism is fabricated, but when videos that prove racism and police brutality come to light there is no such reaction, but rather attempts to rationalize away clear racism.

 

[Knight Shift]

She is thoroughly educated -- B.A. from Yale, Ph.D. and JD from Harvard.
Surprising that she tweeted after her arrest "The police refused to allow me to make a call before my arrest, so that someone would know where I was..." What do they teach at Harvard Law School?

https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S42/04/81A86/index.xml?section=featured

Interesting thoughts on her "What I think" page at Princeton University.

As we drove to school recently I told my sons about the non-indictment for the officer who killed Eric Garner, the manslaughter charge being dropped for those who killed 7-year old Aiyana Stanley-Jones, and we had been talking about Ferguson and the killing of Mike Brown. I told them that we are entering a period of history in which we are going to have to organize, to protest, to speak out, to fight back against our dehumanization and that that's not always an easy thing to do. But we're worth it, our people are worth it.

Protest was a huge part of my early childhood. I remember asking my parents one year, are we going to go celebrate the Fourth of July? They said no, black people were still enslaved then. And then I said, well, could we have a demonstration instead.

My family is filled with people who were known for being smart and know-it-alls, lots of valedictorians, but also creative. I was born into a black Southern Catholic family. But my adoptive father, who passed away in 2014, was Jewish from Brooklyn.

 

[zappaa]

Once again it speaks volumes that a video disproving allegations of racism brings out the usual suspects to cluck "told you so", implying that nearly every claim of racism is fabricated, but when videos that prove racism and police brutality come to light there is no such reaction, but rather attempts to rationalize away clear racism.

Never happens, obvious excessive force or racism is met with disdain from everyone on this board, including hard core conservatives.
Why make sh*t up...personally I think your hatred for conservatives is so great, you believe it.

 

[zappaa]

She is thoroughly educated -- B.A. from Yale, Ph.D. and JD from Harvard.
Surprising that she tweeted after her arrest "The police refused to allow me to make a call before my arrest, so that someone would know where I was..." What do they teach at Harvard Law School?

https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S42/04/81A86/index.xml?section=featured

Interesting thoughts on her "What I think" page at Princeton University.

As we drove to school recently I told my sons about the non-indictment for the officer who killed Eric Garner, the manslaughter charge being dropped for those who killed 7-year old Aiyana Stanley-Jones, and we had been talking about Ferguson and the killing of Mike Brown. I told them that we are entering a period of history in which we are going to have to organize, to protest, to speak out, to fight back against our dehumanization and that that's not always an easy thing to do. But we're worth it, our people are worth it.

Protest was a huge part of my early childhood. I remember asking my parents one year, are we going to go celebrate the Fourth of July? They said no, black people were still enslaved then. And then I said, well, could we have a demonstration instead.

My family is filled with people who were known for being smart and know-it-alls, lots of valedictorians, but also creative. I was born into a black Southern Catholic family. But my adoptive father, who passed away in 2014, was Jewish from Brooklyn.

Does she tell her sons not breaking the law and running away avoids confrontations like that.
Amazing to me she wouldn't use herself as a shining example of how you can be and do anything you want in this country....I'm sure she's void of gratefulness and humility and filled with ego and resentment...which traits would serve your children better?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

To quote a good actor in a decent movie starring a future incredibly hot chick, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

Acknowledging racism, while appropriate, won't make it go away (see previous example re: Asia, they've had a few thousand years).

Acknowledging racism doesn't make it stop happening.

And, believe it or not, "racism" in and of itself, does NOT prevent the most visibly identifiable victims from advancing, from improving their plight.

Racism doesn't prevent black kids from going to school. Racism doesn't make them sell crack on street corners to their own neighbors. Racism doesn't make kids join gangs, racism doesn't make them do drugs, racism doesn't make them steal from businesses in their own community, it doesn't make them pick up a gun and murder somebody across the street.

You can make the argument that black Americans have had, historically, a longer and more difficult struggle in the context of U.S. history but as others have no doubt reminded you at some point, institutional racism during the Industrial Revolution explicitly prevented immigrants from places like Ireland and Italy from getting jobs.

Martin Luther King Jr.'s message was "We shall overcome." It wasn't "We're going to wait until everybody starts being nice to us."

Each and every single person of color has it within him to overcome the obstacles and barriers of racism and improve their lot in life. Nobody is stopping them from doing that. Sure, they may not be "privileged", but guess what? There's an awful lot of white folks here - myself included - that didn't grow up "privileged". We own our destinies. We are responsible for our outcomes. That's what life is all about, that's what this country is all about.

Yes, racism exists. And it sucks. But it's not the reason that so many black communities are suffering from disadvantage.

Excellent post(s), and quote, but I'm think that Elanor Roosevelt said it long before Miss Hathaway made that movie (or the ones in which she was old enough to show her hooters...).

 

[Knight Shift]

Does she tell her sons not breaking the law and running away avoids confrontations like that.

I hope so. I have a hard time imagining why a person with her education and position at Princeton thinks that way and wants to indoctrinate her children to protest. But she was raised with the same mindset, even though her adoptive father was Jewish. Don't celebrate the Fourth of July? In my mind, it is the greatest holiday in this great country. I never realized that some are bitter about it. I tell my kids every Fourth of July, Memorial Day and Pearl Harbor Day that they are blessed to live in a great town, in a great area of the country, in the greatest country in the world.
All of that good in her life, and to focus on negativity. SMH.

 

[NorthernKnight]

Once again it speaks volumes that a video disproving allegations of racism brings out the usual suspects to cluck "told you so", implying that nearly every claim of racism is fabricated, but when videos that prove racism and police brutality come to light there is no such reaction, but rather attempts to rationalize away clear racism.

No, that's not what happened at all.

What you see is a Princeton Prof, who should be a leader, hiding behind the race card...and her cohorts supporting her. With video making her claim a complete sham.

Nobody is claiming there's no racism in the USA.

But it also is completely fair to call something bullshit when it is bullshit. Like Ferguson, "hands up, don't shoot".

 

[REDRICH65]

It'sracist because the cops arrested her and let Kyle Flood go.

 

[NorthernKnight]

@NorthernKnight

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-walking-black-ferguson-police-justice-report-20150305-story.html

"But according to the federal report, police have routinely used the law for another purpose — to fine and harass blacks. African Americans accounted for 95% of manner of walking along roadway charges from 2011 to 2013, according to the report."

Also, journalists being arrested is a serious issue. Sitting in a McDonalds and taking notes on what is happening outside- not a crime and that is a huge government overreach and a waste of tax dollars.

Serious questions:

1) If the police stopped enforcing the walking on the road law would that, in your opinion, make a big difference in Ferguson?

2) The African American population is 67% of gage total population. If there was a hard cap on % citations/arrests at 67% black, in your opinion, would it make a big difference in Ferguson?

3) If 67% of the police force in Ferguson were African Americans (they'd need to obviously cast a wide net for recruits because of the issue with high school grad rates and prior criminal records in Ferguson), would that, in your opinion, make a big difference in Ferguson?

 

[mdk01]

Once again it speaks volumes that a video disproving allegations of racism brings out the usual suspects to cluck "told you so", implying that nearly every claim of racism is fabricated, but when videos that prove racism and police brutality come to light there is no such reaction, but rather attempts to rationalize away clear racism.

I don't recall anyone trying to rationalizing North Charleston away. To the contrary, I recall universal condemnation

 

[NotInRHouse]

Serious questions:

1) If the police stopped enforcing the walking on the road law would that, in your opinion, make a big difference in Ferguson?

2) The African American population is 67% of gage total population. If there was a hard cap on % citations/arrests at 67% black, in your opinion, would it make a big difference in Ferguson?

3) If 67% of the police force in Ferguson were African Americans (they'd need to obviously cast a wide net for recruits because of the issue with high school grad rates and prior criminal records in Ferguson), would that, in your opinion, make a big difference in Ferguson?

My response to this would be there should be no law for "manner of walking". It's pure revenue generation, not safety. I don't know who is walking around in Ferguson, but given the demographics of the town the effect is mostly on African-Americans.

Imagine if instead of directing officers to issue tickets for "manner of walking", they were instead in housing projects, or in St. Louis or wherever else working on destroying gangs? It's no coincidence that all of this went down around St. Louis, one of, if not the most, segregated city in the US, and one of the most dangerous.

It is a waste. The city of Ferguson is now refusing to comply with the DOJ agreement. They can just do what Princeton did (ironically)- borough and township merged. Start moving towards smaller government.

Municipalities have gone hog wild with the police, enforcing nonsense crimes and building small armies. The effect ends up often being on minority communities, but the cost is on all of us. Something I wish both BLM and conservatives would realize- this should really be such an easier issue than it is.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Explain to me just how 2 Princeton police officers are responsible in any way, or complicit, with regards to "walking along roadway" charges in Ferguson Missouri. Do you believe in collective guilt on the basis of being a cop?

I was responding to a post from him earlier in thread. I don't think the Princeton cops here were wrong- my issue is that this will be used to claim people claiming police abuse or racism are wrong. Not the case.

 

[mildone]

Something I wish both BLM and conservatives would realize- this should really be such an easier issue than it is.

I think there are a number of issues that are highly contentious but where the differences are exacerbated by extreme partisanship more than anything else. Many of them should be easier issues to resolve for the better; but special interests (on both sides) and those for whom maintaining the status-quo is ideal keep pointing us at each other so we argue uselessly about this stuff instead of just improving things and moving on.

Human nature being what it is, I don't see this changing anytime soon.