Politicians and bureaucrats have made it easy to scam the system. Example 1: Person gets paid off the books. He may get $200 per week or $500 per week. The client submits a hand written note from some person who says he's the employer and is paying the part time person $100 per week cash or in some cases says there was no work for the individual and they're no longer employed. For all we know, the note is written by the client themselves. This is accepted as their reported income unless it can be proven they're lying. A caseworker with an unmanageable caseload will normally attempt to reach the employer using the phone number provided by the client but no one answers the phone. The caseworker is under pressure from his/her supervisor to process cases which under regulations must be processed within 30 days. They've just been assigned another 10 applications to process and absent anything to disprove the reported income amount, the application is approved. Example 2: Client applies for assistance, has 3 children and pregnant with 4th. She says the father of her children is in the Dominican Republic and she has no income and living with a friend who provides her with a place to live. In truth, the father of the children is working off the books and living with them. Without visiting the home, it's difficult to prove a resident of DR is residing in NJ. Newly arrived immigrants are in communities full of people doing this and do it themselves. I'm not saying all are scamming since I know some are investigated including visits to the home and the person is being truthful. When enough evidence is found to seek recoupment of funds, it must be over $1000 or it's forgiven because the state says it's no longer cost effective to bring a person to court. My county has 2 investigators responsible for the entire county when there used to be 8. These are your tax dollars at work.
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I don't think anyone is declaring cash to pay taxes but that is not what I said or what I asked.
I know all that stuff since I worked at Treasury and worked with their audit and investigation teams and was aware of the various schemes and issues. But you said that you are aware and know it is happening and if that is the case that means you have proof not just feelings and if you have proof, you can do something with that proof. I will never deny that some people are committing fraud-heck there is some fraud in every type of financial transaction be it welfare, tax, insurance claims etc. but not every person who files for those is committing fraud and that includes people like you and me as well as immigrants-legal or illegal. When there is proof you should be able to do something.
Treasury has a program dealing with EITC fraud. For example, if someone claims they have earnings from an individual or a business they cross check both. They have held both the EITC claimant and the supposed business that paid them liable.
I was cautious in using the AP and NBC items precisely because I didn't want to rely on "The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy" which I never heard of before and, ye,s is a progressive thinktank. But a George Mason University professor relying on the government's own numbers is unlikely to be a bad source. (i can tell you from experience that George Mason is a hotbed of conservatism). Sometimes what we see with our own eyes doesn't reflect overall reality. I am sure that there are many working off the books, but it seem clear that e many are at jobs where employers withhold federal and state taxes based on false social security numbers.
Pretty sure I have been paying my “legal” auto mechanic, plumber, etc with cash because they declare the taxes on it…
Funny how some make it sound as if only illegal immigrants are not paying taxes. Lol
Funny how some make it sound as if only illegal immigrants are not paying taxes. Lol
Oh I'm sure they do [\sarcasm]. But I doubt they get food stamps, free school lunches and reduced health insurance.
Undocumented aliens do not get food stamps unless the state permits it (a few do) . https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf their children born in the U.S. are eligible for food stamps because anyone born in the U.S. is a citizen. (That's guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.) Non emergency Medicaid is the same . Free school lunches are available to anyone with a family income below 130% of the Federal poverty line, citizen or not. (I'm sure some of these citizens working for cash are in that category.) It has been suggested (I don't know how true this is) that many illegals do not take advantage of the programs for which they are eligible.
BTW, that House Report (authored by a Republican-controlled committee) says that a much higher proportion of illegals work as opposed to U.S. citizens, and so illegals are not a burden on the welfare system.
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Tom, It's difficult to get enough evidence to bring someone to court when there's no real paper trail of the individual or their income. Frequently, the best that can be done is termination of benefits but that often happens after they've received assistance for an extended period.
Retired, Agreed there are many using SS#'s and some taxes are withheld. If the employee were to claim being married with 5 children, very little income tax would be withheld since they're income is low to begin with.
YesRutgers, I never meant to imply legal citizens don't scam the system because many self employed individuals do. The difference is it's more difficult for citizens to also collect public assistance because their lifestyle creates a paper trail that can be followed. They have a credit history, bank accounts, businesses registered, property owned etc. All of these things make it easier to determine eligibility if they apply.
Retired, Agreed there are many using SS#'s and some taxes are withheld. If the employee were to claim being married with 5 children, very little income tax would be withheld since they're income is low to begin with.
YesRutgers, I never meant to imply legal citizens don't scam the system because many self employed individuals do. The difference is it's more difficult for citizens to also collect public assistance because their lifestyle creates a paper trail that can be followed. They have a credit history, bank accounts, businesses registered, property owned etc. All of these things make it easier to determine eligibility if they apply.
Yes, one thing you have to say about illegal immigrants is that they're not in Freehold, right? Or the suburbs of Monmouth County at all?
LOL
And actually, anyone here illegally is paying into the tax system by rent indirectly or property taxes directly, never mind the fact they're paying sales taxes in all and income in some depending on the situation.
Don't forget, we should be mad when someone works 80 hours a week gets free emergency hospital treatment but not someone who works 0 if the former was born in Venezuela.
And also remember suburbs have no undocumented immigrants. Real New Jerseyans in Rumson and Alpine dream that Biff will one day grow up to mow lawns and pick tomatoes. And if you stop by the Freehold Home Depot outside you will only find 10th generation Americans begging to help with construction work because of the big recession we have with 4.1% unemployment.
illegals shouldn't command anything, they don't belong here!
They should be in jail until they are deported.
Great President Trump will get it done.
Bye illegals.
He will also allow more educated Europeans that will add and not take from this country to come through the right legal channels.
Great President Trump will get it done.
Bye illegals.
He will also allow more educated Europeans that will add and not take from this country to come through the right legal channels.
Eh, it varies.
I knew a painter who kept his on-books income below welfare threshold working only part-time, then did under-the-counter painting jobs all summer long. Collected welfare for him and his son.
Dude was the first and loudest to argue if he thought his pay was short, too (which was always his fault).
I guess now we're allowing people to post white supremacist propaganda on the football forum?
I'm sure that will sit very well with all the parents of our current and potential future players of non-European descent.
This is why I have the gentleman on "ignore." He is often an excellent commentator on sports, and he needs to learn to stick to that.
You're so racist you don't even know you are racist. Newsflash moron. There are actually educated black Europeans.
Crazy right?!
Are you saying there are no educated people of any color from anywhere but Europe? None from South America or the North American nations south of our borders? None from Africa or Australia or Asia?
You are using the precise language used by cowardly white supremacists everywhere. You can try to deflect all you want but you’re not fooling anybody.
it is crazy- the same people yelling about Mexico seem to have no issue with Europe and even Asia...And then to say that Europeans are educated while those south of the boarder are not??? I didn't look up the stats but drugs, crime and trafficking is huge in the European/Asia markets...
Hold them all to the same rules- I am OK with cracking down on immigration but it has to be the same for everyone. I also think we need to crack down on foreign real estate purchases as well.
This isn’t a serious post. Yea all those illegal aliens flooding the border from Europe.
Newflash- it doesn’t matter where you are from. No serious country would allow this type of invasion.
this is one of your dumber posts. you're smarter than this and usually less of a shit stirrer
who do you think manufactures that crap?
Trust me, he’s neither aware nor interested in any of that. He wasn’t talking about Europeans. He’s talking about white people vs everybody else. There are many legitimate concerns with illegal immigration. But to him, legal or illegal is irrelevant. Only white vs non-white matters.
He slipped up in his post, accidentally let his true nature show a bit. Trapped himself. Oops.
He’s actually not. His attempt to create competition for this site was an epic failure. Was hilarious.
He was probably shocked by what he saw during the Presidential Debate or was it because we ALL SAW IT? 😁 The White House logs show 10 visits from a Parkinson expert. I suppose KJP expects the voting public to think it was for a janitor, lol.
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He's not shocked because he didn't watch it. Why would anybody want to watch a sociopathic narcissist and convicted felon "debate" a guy suffering age-related cognitive decline? It was almost certainly the most meaningless presidential debate in this country's history.
Anybody trying to seriously claim that either person is qualified to lead this nation is a poster-child for rabid mindless partisanship. We should tattoo a red "P" on their foreheads.
Perhaps it's 4-D chess by the special moderating operation, given the lax cheerleader is a great example of why white people aren't supreme.
Most of it brought here by Americans and used by Americans.
Deaths of a despair is a US thing for the most part. For all the talk about Europeans, we now have Asian and Latin American countries beating us in life expectancy, where we are told it comes from.
Not to mention Europeans have no interest in coming here, Russians and Belarusians aside for obvious reasons. Why would they want to move to the only country where medical bankruptcy and mass school shootings exist?
It's in fact the other way- the felon rapist and his cult have caused a surged in Americans acquiring European citizenship via ancestry.
I mean...he's the guy who thought we should have hired a now NFL assistant who was forced out of his college job instead of the guy who has us with the #5 class in America.
He seems consistently clueless.
Just look at the comments on France up until Sunday lol. Pure hilarity.
Scrurry away? I’m here mocking you for being a racist and the joke of a board you tried to create to compete with Richie.
Only person who scurried away was you. Too funny.
Hitler? That’s the guy you said did a great job. Care to address why?
I've never seen a poster more deserving of being put on IGNORE than the California clown.
But then you miss all the laughs. He’s always been, by far, the most unintentionally funny person on these boards.
He’s the board’s Chief Inspector Charles Dreyfus. 🙂
Who is sadder The guy who lives off his wife’s family or the underemployed landscaper? Both men talk about freeloaders ruining our country but both appear to work full time on this site. Days afternoon weekends even holiday weekends you will find both individuals living on this board. It’s pretty pathetic where would they be without the internet?
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