OT: proposal about sports betting on November ballot

[Knight177lb]

Voters will decide a constitutional amendment to expand sports betting to college games held or the state or involving state-based teams.
As of July 2021, 30 states and D.C. allowed sports betting, and of those states, 17 allowed betting on in-state college sports.
Is this really a good idea?

 

[Erial_Lion]

Yes…people that want to play a game involving a NJ team already have plenty of options for it, but keep those options “above board”, and get the tax revenue that can come along with it.

 

[robcac26]

I don't even understand why this exception exists in the first place. If we can bet on UConn and Wyoming this weekend, why can't we bet on Rutgers and Michigan?

 

[Knight177lb]

I don't even understand why this exception exists in the first place. If we can bet on UConn and Wyoming this weekend, why can't we bet on Rutgers and Michigan?

I think they're concerned about point shaving or some other kind of fixing like that. Something like Henry Hill pulled off at Boston College.

 

[nukem]

I don't even understand why this exception exists in the first place. If we can bet on UConn and Wyoming this weekend, why can't we bet on Rutgers and Michigan?

Exactly. It's a dumb rule to have in a place. It was the same thinking of when you could only have sports betting in Las Vegas. Everywhere else it was demonized and thought it would take down every sports league. Every league fought it. Now they embrace it and are trying to profit from it.

There are plenty of ways to bet on Rutgers if you really want to do it while living in NJ. Just like there were ways to wager before it became legal here. Dumb rule by politicians to make believe there are protections in place to safeguard student athletes. This doesn't stop anything from happening. Get rid of the rule.

 

[fluoxetine]

Yes, this rule is pointless in the first place.

 

[mdk01]

I don't even understand why this exception exists in the first place. If we can bet on UConn and Wyoming this weekend, why can't we bet on Rutgers and Michigan?

It existed because the original bill would not have passed without it.

 

[Ataylor1989x]

Here is the best article one could read relating to this topic….

Las Vegas bookmakers know a fix when they see one

The 1994 Arizona State point-shaving scandal was one of several uncovered over the years with the help of Las Vegas bookmakers, who are on the same side as the NCAA and major pro sports leagues whe...

www.reviewjournal.com

In case you don’t feel like reading, it proves that even as long ago as the 1990s, point-shaving and forms of fixing could be sniffed out by legalized, licensed bookmakers prior to tip-off. The bookmakers know what normal betting patterns are and are alerted when they change .


Also - a note on this topic, This week I’m in Chicago and it’s interesting to see that although Illinois does not allow wagering on in-state collegiate teams, wagering is allowed on the Notre Dame vs. Wisconsin game played at Soldier Field tomorrow. So there’s a difference between the New Jersey and Illinois versions of this law.


We know that the rule exists because it’s obvious that college athletes still are technically amateurs and therefore could theoretically be bribed by underworld figures (see the CCNY basketball scandal). However, if anyone even tried, now there would be an entire trail of clues as to who and how they did it.

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

I don't even understand why this exception exists in the first place. If we can bet on UConn and Wyoming this weekend, why can't we bet on Rutgers and Michigan?

I don’t know if the point-shaving logic makes much sense, but is not an uncommon rule; you can’t bet on Illinois-based college teams in Illinois, and years ago I went to a casino in Windsor, Canada, and bets were not allowed on the Raptors (I’m guessing that was some kind of rule the NBA asked Ontario to impose on sportsbooks).

 

[retired711]

Public Question No. 1 on the November ballot proposes a change in the New Jersey Constitution regarding gambling laws. It would be OK for the legislature to authorize gambling on post season competitions that either take place in New Jersey or involve New Jersey teams. But the gambling would have to be though casinos or horse tracks (both current and past). It's pretty small beer for those of you who like to gamble, but I thought you'd want to know that it is on the ballot.

 

[Zak57]

Yes would be allowed to gamble on Rutgers in state. Dumb that it's not allowed right now. These sports books can sniff out unusual betting.

 

[mdk01]

Public Question No. 1 on the November ballot proposes a change in the New Jersey Constitution regarding gambling laws. It would be OK for the legislature to authorize gambling on post season competitions that either take place in New Jersey or involve New Jersey teams. But the gambling would have to be though casinos or horse tracks (both current and past). It's pretty small beer for those of you who like to gamble, but I thought you'd want to know that it is on the ballot.

Well the post-season is obvious if they want to compete for March Madness regional games in Newark. New Jersey teams really is small beer,

 

[MulletCork]

I made sure to vote "yes" on Question #1 for sure. Looks like the next time the NCAA Tournament will have games in NJ is in 2025 in Newark.
On a smaller note, this current ban prohibits betting on any conference tourney games in March when they are held in Atlantic City. So that would change too, for whatever that's worth.

 

[retired711]

Yes would be allowed to gamble on Rutgers in state. Dumb that it's not allowed right now. These sports books can sniff out unusual betting.

don't get carried away! It still wouldn't be possible to gamble on Rutgers regular season games. That's why I said it's pretty small beer. -- though the ability to bet on Rutgers in the NCAA tournament or a bowl game is worth a good deal.

 

[Morrischiano]

In the upcoming election there is a referendum question on whether an amendment should be passed to allow betting on college sports games that occur in NJ or involve teams.

Currently you can’t bet on RU games on betting sites or at sports books.

Should this be allowed? Would this have an affect on RU one way of another? My only concern is that an RU athlete could bet against RU from an app and throw a game.

And I know some of you will be triggered to immediately drag criticism of state elected officials into this thread but take it to the CE board.

 

[Plum Street]

Vote yes

 

[mdk01]

In the upcoming election there is a referendum question on whether an amendment should be passed to allow betting on college sports games that occur in NJ or involve teams.

Currently you can’t bet on RU games on betting sites or at sports books.

Should this be allowed? Would this have an affect on RU one way of another? My only concern is that an RU athlete could bet against RU from an app and throw a game.

And I know some of you will be triggered to immediately drag criticism of state elected officials into this thread but take it to the CE board.

The proposal passed in 2018 was a no brainer, Having lived in Boston at the time of the BC hoops point shaving scandal I have to think about this one. Probably vote yes but with a bit if hesitancy.

 

[WhiteBus]

The proposal passed in 2018 was a no brainer, Having lived in Boston at the time of the BC hoops point shaving scandal I have to think about this one. Probably vote yes but with a bit if hesitancy.

I think there is a huge difference between fixing a game with the mob and trying fix games with legalized, regulated gambling.

 

[Zak57]

Yes vote for it. The books are smart enough to realize if anything really shady is going on.

 

[Plum Street]

Yes vote for it. The books are smart enough to realize if anything really shady is going on.

Yes . We need the people running these sportsbooks to run the country !

 

[Kbee3]

Silly question. Most guys I know already bet on those games.
I even know a few guys who take bets on them. Doesn't everyone ?

 

[Phi_1055]

Polls have it as a slight underdog to pass.

 

[RU#1fan]

Vote YES

 

[Rutgers Chris]

In the upcoming election there is a referendum question on whether an amendment should be passed to allow betting on college sports games that occur in NJ or involve teams.

Currently you can’t bet on RU games on betting sites or at sports books.

Should this be allowed? Would this have an affect on RU one way of another? My only concern is that an RU athlete could bet against RU from an app and throw a game.

And I know some of you will be triggered to immediately drag criticism of state elected officials into this thread but take it to the CE board.

I haven’t seen a similar prohibition in any other state and they don’t seem to have any issues. When this was passed, NJ was the only state other than Nevada where you could bet. Now that so many other states have legalized it, this is no longer necessary and was relatively useless even when passed as others have noted.

 

[mdk01]

I haven’t seen a similar prohibition in any other state and they don’t seem to have any issues. When this was passed, NJ was the only state other than Nevada where you could bet. Now that so many other states have legalized it, this is no longer necessary and was relatively useless even when passed as others have noted.

Still less than 50% have done what NJ did.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Polls have it as a slight underdog to pass.

I can speak to the California experience (there are LOT of referendums and initiatives). Items that have close polling tend to lose. I think No is a default choice for many.

 

[Terry_2426]

My only concern is that an RU athlete could bet against RU from an app and throw a game.

They wouldn't be able to bet enough to be able to throw a game, plus with offshore sites that would have been possible for years anyway.

This is important to pass because NCAA Tournament games being played at Prudential Center currently are not able to be bet on in NJ.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Vote yes
that way the poor people on this board can finally bet on Rutgers.... cough.... just vote yes.

 

[Morrischiano]

I haven’t seen a similar prohibition in any other state and they don’t seem to have any issues. When this was passed, NJ was the only state other than Nevada where you could bet. Now that so many other states have legalized it, this is no longer necessary and was relatively useless even when passed as others have noted.

You couldnt bet on UNLV in Vegas.

 

[rutgersfan1766]

Vote yes. I voted on Rutgers to cover in Michigan when I went to Ann Arbor and it was glorious. Paid for my flights.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

You couldnt bet on UNLV in Vegas.

Again, when that was the only state you could bet in, it made a little sense. A Rutgers player can drive 30 minutes from campus into PA and bet on Rutgers. It’s a non issue at this point

 

[nukem]

You couldnt bet on UNLV in Vegas.

You've been allowed to bet on UNLV in Nevada since 2001. This is a stupid law. As was posted above, it's harder to fix games when there is legalized gambling.

 

[robcac26]

This law has no teeth anyway, if you want to bet on Rutgers, you can easily do it on a European sportsbook website.

 

[RU#1fan]

You couldnt bet on UNLV in Vegas.

that’s long gone. You can now bet on UNLV In Nevada.
28 states have Sports betting and 4 more have approved it.
Of the 28 states 12 don’t allow betting on local teams. That will be changing.

 

[RU1977]

The vote is coming up I see......

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

Yes vote for it. The books are smart enough to realize if anything really shady is going on.

Given that the books themselves are all colors of shady, I would have to agree!! 😆

 

[NickRU714]

Going to Virginia this weekend.
Finally get to bet on a Rutgers game.

Still haven't figured out which way to bet.

 

[RUScrew85]

This law has no teeth anyway, if you want to bet on Rutgers, you can easily do it on a European sportsbook website.

Have you tried that lately? Mine was closed off to me last year (maybe 2) and I tried a couple others and wasn't able to get by the KYC screening. They really locked it down. Now if you know Igor's cell number in Europe...

 

[RUScrew85]

I think they're concerned about point shaving or some other kind of fixing like that. Something like Henry Hill pulled off at Boston College.

I'm sure that's it. More government stupidity but that's probably it. Like only residents can point shave. LOL

 

[RUScrew85]

Going to Virginia this weekend.
Finally get to bet on a Rutgers game.

Still haven't figured out which way to bet.

Bet on Illy, if we win we win, if we lose you get paid.