OT: proposal about sports betting on November ballot
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My home state of NC is struggling over sports betting. Right now, you can only wager on games and ponies in Cherokee (Harrah's) and one other Native American-based outlet. The state senate passed a bill approving statewide wagering but the state house is sitting on it. Love NC. But weez got some issues.
Rutgers/Ohio State teaser. Get to root for us and against Penn State.
Well I haven't bet on Rutgers this year but I've been using bookmaker.eu with no issues all season.
No, you're combining the two aspects of it. Currently, you can't bet on NJ college teams, and you also can't bet on postseason college games taking place in NJ. If this passes, both of those restrictions would be lifted.
“A made-for-TV movie about the scandal — “Big Shot: Confessions of a Campus Bookie” — depicted Frieder telling his team at halftime that the Pac-10 had been notified by Las Vegas casinos about a possible fix.”Here is the best article one could read relating to this topic….
Las Vegas bookmakers know a fix when they see one
The 1994 Arizona State point-shaving scandal was one of several uncovered over the years with the help of Las Vegas bookmakers, who are on the same side as the NCAA and major pro sports leagues whe...www.reviewjournal.com
In case you don’t feel like reading, it proves that even as long ago as the 1990s, point-shaving and forms of fixing could be sniffed out by legalized, licensed bookmakers prior to tip-off. The bookmakers know what normal betting patterns are and are alerted when they change .
Also - a note on this topic, This week I’m in Chicago and it’s interesting to see that although Illinois does not allow wagering on in-state collegiate teams, wagering is allowed on the Notre Dame vs. Wisconsin game played at Soldier Field tomorrow. So there’s a difference between the New Jersey and Illinois versions of this law.
We know that the rule exists because it’s obvious that college athletes still are technically amateurs and therefore could theoretically be bribed by underworld figures (see the CCNY basketball scandal). However, if anyone even tried, now there would be an entire trail of clues as to who and how they did it.
I watched this ESPN movie a while back. Goofy but decent movie. The student ringleader from ASU was paying the players and jetting to Las Vegas to place bets on the games. Watch it if you get the chance. It’s on YouTube.
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Jetting to Vegas (even a short hop from Phoenix) to place bets large enough to alert the bookmakers suggests students had a LOT more spending money than when I was in school.
I wonder if they were shaving points during our 1991 tournament game . That’s why the game was so close !
Creating a "fix": The story of point-shaving at ASU | Cronkite News
Stevin ‘Hedake’ Smith was poised to be a first roud draft pick. After racking up $10,000 in debt, he turned to point-shaving.
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Creating a "fix": The story of point-shaving at ASU | Cronkite News
Stevin ‘Hedake’ Smith was poised to be a first roud draft pick. After racking up $10,000 in debt, he turned to point-shaving.
So it wasn't a student
Benny Silman, a nice Jewish kid from Brooklyn, was the ASU student turned campus bookie who launched the point shaving operation at ASU. The mob later forced their way in after they learned of the operation.
Interesting that the ASU bettors lost the final point shaving game vs Washington when Stephen Hedake Smith drained ten threes for 39 points even though he was paid to shave points for ASU. Maybe he wasn’t paid enough for the previous set up?
BetAnySports is the same skin that 5Dimes used to be, they've been solid so far
With about one-fifth of the vote counted, the proposition to allow betting on New Jersey college sports is going *down*, 58% to 42%. I'll update if that changes a lot while I'm still awake). Maybe betting on sports isn't as popular with the voters as a lot of people have assumed??
My straw poll of one- woman in front of me said she voted no and had no idea what it was about, “just sounded like I was supposed to vote no.”
Sports betting in NJ is the biggest in the union, surpassing even Nevada. That said, the extension for local colleges was odd in lieu of more pressing issues impacting the state.
I'm an amateur at projecting elections, but it looks to me as though there are more Democratic votes remaining to be counted than Republican votes. So this might get a lot closer as the night goes on. Right now, it's 43% yes to 57% no.
I dunno, sounds like a betting scandal just waiting to happen.
It’s legal in every other state that allows gambling. No scandals yet. I think it’s safe
Fair. It make sense to get a handle on NIL before we open another Pandora’s box.
I have a question about your comment. Who would you expect to vote yes on this question. A democrat or republican?
I would think a Democrat would be more likely to vote yes: Democrats tend to be more in favor of "vice" than Republicans, who think of themselves as having strict moral codes. But who knows? FWIW, the proposition is still losing 43% to 57% with about half the vote counted. But Essex County (Newark) has reported barely any of its vote.
So stupid this goes down . Probably most people didn’t even know what it meant
A few years back when a casino was proposed at the Meadowlands, it was resoundingly defeated across all demographics and ideologies throughout the state. I don't think it gets much closer.
It was worded so poorly, people have no clue what it meant. I'm surprised the DraftKings and FanDuels of the world didn't do ad campaigns on it with how much money was at stake. State politicians will fix it before the ncaa tournament comes to the state, but it shouldn't have come to that
Same here. I didn’t see anything to push this and the wording was horrific on the ballot
Down the road the additional revenue isn't anything to sneeze at. The downsides are minimal at best.
the Potential downsides of athletes betting on or against their own team, or being involved in a betting scandal would be disastrous. RU had potentially much to lose and nothing at all to gain from the proposal.
It’s legal in every other state that allows gambling. The only reason is was ever in place was because we were the second state to legalize gambling and the leagues were against gambling then. Not so much anymore, there’s no reason for this to be a law anymore
When you look into those details, it's just not logical.
Legal books limit accounts so quickly that its hard for someone to get enough $$ down to not only entice college kids to throw a game, but to leave enough profit for themselves.
College kids placing the bets themselves would have to 1. find enough money to front the bet ahead of time and 2. have time to go place the bet before the game when limits are raised high enough on gamedays and then get back to the stadium in time to do enough things to throw the game on the field. The odds are absolutely miniscule of that happening. It's actually easier to do it with an offshore 'illegal' book.
