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OT: Queen Elizabeth has died

Elizabeth oversaw remarkable changes in the British Empire, as it evolved into a Commonwealth.

It took Charles a long time to grow into the role, but he is actually pretty well-suited to be King at this point, and Camilla has turned out to be a decent person who will make a good Queen Consort.

I would guess he will stay in the role for 5-10 years, and will streamline the position and reduce the pageantry, which will be a loss for fun TV events, but probably for the best. He's done a lot of good work as the Prince of Wales.

The Queen was pretty amazing, but really might have better abdicated about 10-15 years ago.
She was one of the last living persons still alive when the Jets won their only Super Bowl 🤣🤣
 
As a descendent of two Jamestown settlers and three veterans of the American Revolution, I will only say that to criticize the monarchy is to not thoroughly understand the notion of the UK's monarchy and peerage. It's not necessarily a "one size fits all" solution to government, but then neither is any other. It's worked in the UK for a thousand years - we're 250 years deep into our own system and it's a total clusterf*ck at the moment. So maybe we just acknowledge Britain's successes and wish them condolences on the death of the Queen and best of luck moving forward.
Wow Jamestown and the Revolution? That is so great.

I thought it was cool that I have at least 2 who fought for the Union in the Civil War but that blows it away.
 
That dude with the cap= inbreeding has consequences.
Compared to this?
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If you have any English/Scotts/Welsh/Irish blood in you.. it came from *somewhere*.. and even if you cannot trace it correctly all the way back, your line did not magically materialize on these shores. It goes back and back and back into feudal times of true monarchies and even before that. Viking and Druid and Celtic blood, Angles, Saxons, Normans.. all that. Same for everyone else too. Even Native Americans go back to those humans who crossed over the land bridge from what would become Russia. And some here, no doubt, have Neanderthal in them.
 
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The impressive 96 gun salute given to honor the deceased Queen reminded me of another event which transpired during my tour of duty in Vietnam. When former President Eisenhower died in 1969 my battery was designated the honor battery to fire a 50 gun salute to mark his passing. All kinds of senior officials , military and civilian, showed up to witness the event so the pressure was on us not to blow it. We didn’t. I felt privileged to be part of that ceremony.

PS, unlike most ceremonial artillery firings, we used live ammo. In Nam, there were certain areas designated as free fire zones, and that is where we aimed our HE rounds.
 
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The impressive 96 gun salute given to honor the deceased Queen reminded me of another event which transpired during my tour of duty in Vietnam. When former President Eisenhower died in 1969 my battery was designated the honor battery to fire a 50 gun salute to mark his passing. All kinds of senior officials , military and civilian, showed up to witness the event so the pressure was on us not to blow it. We didn’t. I felt privileged to be part of that ceremony.
Ike is emblematic of American meritocracy, and a supreme leader at a critical time for the free world. On the other hand, Lizzy was born into privilege and wealth built on the toil of her family's subjects and conquests. One deserved the respect and send off. The other... is a farce.
 
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Ike is emblematic of American meritocracy, and a supreme leader at a critical time for the free world. On the other hand, Lizzy was born into privilege and wealth built on the toil of her family's subjects and conquests. One deserved the respect and send off. The other... is a farce.
Her reign was 70 years. His 4 or 5?
 
Queen Elizabeth represented England well during her reign.
Some here seem to hate everything that doesn't help them personalty, so I can understand the putdowns of a dead queen being posted in this thread. .
>Queen Elizabeth II's Most Notable Accomplishments
. In 1945, when she was 18, Elizabeth joined the Women's Auxiliary Territory Service (ATS), and trained for six weeks as an auto mechanic.<
https://www.grunge.com/680882/queen-elizabeth-iis-most-notable-accomplishments/

Personalty Queen Elizabeth or any English King ,Queen, Prince , Princess , Duke or Duchess aren't my cup of tea.
Now were they liked , I'm sure , by my ancestors that lived under British rule.
But I will give credit when credit is due and Queen Elizabeth II deserves all the credit in the world for the way she handled the job of being the face of England when the world looked at that Country
 
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Sir, read his bio. He dedicated his entire life to military service and then as president. She was simply born, and in the right order, and lived....
And she served snd was dedicated to her country for 70 years. How they both got there is irrelevant. A very stupid analogy
 
Good for Australia, Jamaica, and Barbados for starting the conversation on severing ties with the Monarchy and becoming a true republic.

There is no place in 2022 for a monarchical construct, regardless of its historical cultural significance.
When Queen Elizabeth II was alive the talk wasn't getting much support, but now that she's gone and Charles' lack of popularity all across the Commonwealth I wouldn't be surprised to see the ties severed
Might wind up just becoming trade and mutual defense alliances between England anr the countries that leave the curreent system they have with England.
 
Wow Jamestown and the Revolution? That is so great.

I thought it was cool that I have at least 2 who fought for the Union in the Civil War but that blows it away.

By the time the Civil War rolled around all of the ancestral lines that started out in Jamestown and the Massachusetts Bay Colony had migrated through North Carolina to Georgia (former) and Tennessee and Kentucky (latter).

So I do have ancestors who fought in the Civil War - but for the South. My Great-great grandfather on my father's side was wounded at Cold Harbor, captured by the Union and subsequently escaped from a U.S. Naval hospital.

I do have one ancestral line (maternal on mother's side) who were Scottish immigrants in the 19th century - very strongly MacDonald, with some Garricks and Tabors thrown in.

My wife likes to say that my family tree is the dictionary illustration next to "WASP". 🙂
 
8 if you limit it to the Presidency
He was talking about the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces. Add in the 8. It's all irrelevant. She has worked longer then any world leader. Just because she was born into it means nothing. If fact she did all these thing because she had to. Elected officials choose that work. She didn't
 
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Wow Jamestown and the Revolution? That is so great.

I thought it was cool that I have at least 2 who fought for the Union in the Civil War but that blows it away.
It is cool that you have two ancestors who fought in the Civil War. Genealogy is a super fun pursuit. My great-grandfather was a surgeon in the Confederacy. Yep, just one great. My dad knew him. Just amazing. We have his letters hom from the war. He was in the army that Sherman ran through Georgia.

We also have his diary from when he was in medical school at the University of New Orleans. My favorite entry:
"36 hours of surgery. Then went into town for some horizontal refreshment."
 
Sir, read his bio. He dedicated his entire life to military service and then as president. She was simply born, and in the right order, and lived....
She was basically her country's ambassador to the world, not always easy but hardly the hardest job imaginable, and one made easier by a huge staff. And she was actually only so-so at it imo. She was stiff and upper crusty, not modern and approachable. I'm not sure why outsiders would be so attached to her.
 
Hey Colbert, let us know what you hear.

Down here in NZ, pretty much positive, sympathetic reaction. You can not like the idea of monarchy and still have liked the Queen.
My son sent me a message from London. Said that the city was running normally but that there was a overall air of grief and huge crowds in front of the Palace. His grandmother (my ex mother in law ) who is 94 now, had been in London for QE II's coronation so with him there now it kind of closed the circle.
 
It is cool that you have two ancestors who fought in the Civil War. Genealogy is a super fun pursuit. My great-grandfather was a surgeon in the Confederacy. Yep, just one great. My dad knew him. Just amazing. We have his letters hom from the war. He was in the army that Sherman ran through Georgia.

We also have his diary from when he was in medical school at the University of New Orleans. My favorite entry:
"36 hours of surgery. Then went into town for some horizontal refreshment."
I believe we had discussed this. One of mine was in an artillery unit attached to Sherman for some of his march thru the south. Ended up at the assaults of Forts Sumpter and Wagner among others. Spent a fair amount of time arounf Foley Island and south to northern Florida. Appears the other one didn't last long on the field. Rec'd a medical discharge. Doesn't say whether it was wounds or illness?) in the Summer of '61. Lived till 1888. The other died in 1866 or '67 but lived long enough to father my Great Grandmother.
 
My son sent me a message from London. Said that the city was running normally but that there was a overall air of grief and huge crowds in front of the Palace. His grandmother (my ex mother in law ) who is 94 now, had been in London for QE II's coronation so with him there now it kind of closed the circle.
He went to college in Boston and he said that the feeling around London is the same as it was in Boston the day that Ted Williams died.
Interesting.
 
I believe we had discussed this. One of mine was in an artillery unit attached to Sherman for some of his march thru the south. Ended up at the assaults of Forts Sumpter and Wagner among others. Spent a fair amount of time arounf Foley Island and south to northern Florida. Appears the other one didn't last long on the field. Rec'd a medical discharge. Doesn't say whether it was wounds or illness?) in the Summer of '61. Lived till 1888. The other died in 1866 or '67 but lived long enough to father my Great Grandmother.
Could have. I repeat stuff all the time!
 
When I was in Vietnam in 1969 I served in an artillery battery which was in general support of Australian /New Zealand operations in III Corps. We were physically located at Nui Dat, the base of ANZAC operations in Vietnam. I remember that the Aussie and Kiwi troops showed great respect and reverence for their Queen, whose picture was prominently displayed in a few of the base buildings. I regret that on one occasion, after consuming one too many Victoria Bitters, I disparaged the Queen and was immediately castigated by my Kiwi peers. I never made that mistake again. RIP.

Edit- There is now a substantial groundswell of support in Australia to move to Republic status and leave the Commonwealth. They were just waiting for the Queen to die before making the break. Jamaica is also considering the same.
Nice to read a factual account of things vs. all these blathering comments based on "I'm special history too" or political biases. Thank you for your service.
 
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that was a couple of days ago, But I'll make you 2 bets. You cant beat me without drugs in your systems any knight and you cant beat me 45 years later.
Over the top, Yes my friend. Decent reply by you young fella.
Time for bed dude
 
Beat you at what?

I've already won the comprehensible challenge. No drugs, scouts honor 🤪
 
all I'll say is she was remarkable and every Limey I know absolutely loved her.
 
Anyone else watching? The pomp and circumstances and regalness of the funeral is off the chart. A last link to the past

No other figure in the world was revered and commanded such attention as the Queen did....a historical day
 
Anyone else watching? The pomp and circumstances and regalness of the funeral is off the chart. A last link to the past

No other figure in the world was revered and commanded such attention as the Queen did....a historical day
Yes, turned it on at 6am. The British do this better than anyone. The Abbey is an amazing place. Was there several years ago, impressive.
 
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