OT: Queen Elizabeth has died
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I am! happened to wake up at 5:30 and turned it on. I love the pomp & circumstance surrounding it all. Such a throwback with them not using horses but, instead, hand pulling the cart with the casket
It was beautiful and captivating. This long procession walk still going with Charles, Anne, Andrew, Edward, and William following.
Yeah.
It’s a tough one to get thru. But he and my father in law would have LOVED it.☘️🇺🇸
We did Danny boy while at the alter and and the ND fight song walking out for my brother with a half drunk/friend of the family priest doing the eulogy. Bro would’ve loved the whole shabang.
She embraced a sense of duty to a role she never opted into. In this day and age, that is unique.
I don't know about that.. yes, Ike is as you say, he earned it during WWII and he wouldn't have gotten a chance to do that had he not earned the opportunity. But there are so many people in those positions who are put there due to political ties or even internal politics inside the armed forces.
But the Queen? Her family was basically selected.. akin to being elected by the people in parliament with some form of voting.. to become the English royal family. Yes.. because of blood ties.. and being of the correct religious persuasion. But that opportunity was created by the previous generations of those blood ties and included going to war and organizing your armies and support.. much like Ike.
She herself was supported by her father for teh role. He had options to name a male heir from elsewhere in the family.. or he could have found a way to produce a male heir as he, himself, was only the "backup QB" position to his elder brother and never expected to be king. Supposedly he saw something in her that showed him she could do the job and was trained for it.
This is the British system.. they like it. She did what was expected of her for her entire life. Maybe she earned it too.
BBC did a tremendous job
They let event speak for itself and sprinkled in some details
Camera work was sublime
US media couldn't pull off anything similar imo
They let event speak for itself and sprinkled in some details
Camera work was sublime
US media couldn't pull off anything similar imo
I wouldn't be puffing myself up on American Meritocracy so much these days. 70 years ago, sure, but now? L O L
Other than the fact that the British Empire cIsonsists of many countries, it any different than Spain, Sweden, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Andorra, Bahrain, Monaco or a whole bunch of others? All of which have Royalty as constitutional rulers?
All this Lizzy love. LOL. She's dead to me.... And buried.... Finally....
Reverence for history and tradition. Something like yesterday we will never ever see again and the Queen will be the last public figure to draw such attention on a world stage
There are a lot of people in this world like my mother in law. Born in Ireland, grew up in Scotland and England due to the war and is 10 years younger than the Queen. I always found it odd as an Irishwoman that she loved the Queen and royalty, but makes sense since lived there when she became Queen. RIP.
You just saw a country in complete unity of the passing of their lifelong leader. No demonstrations at all. That will never happen here anymore. Hell after 9/11 people were schilling conspiracy theories that we imploded the Twin Towers not the planes. And people believe that crap.
England had complete respect for what the Queen did in her 70 years. You will never see that here.
England has had kings and queens for over 1000 years - its built into its DNA
Currently the royals are just cultural more than anything else
Elizabeth never quite got into the nitty-gritty of daily politics but kept an eye on the macro
Culturally, think of all the men and women who received honors from Elizabeth (honorary British knights and dames) - that sort of thing has an impact.
Globally, the minor realms were important to Elizabeth and she felt they were under-appreciated
All those realms had their own political institutions but British royalty kept cultural links alive
nypost.com
www.independent.co.uk
Currently the royals are just cultural more than anything else
Elizabeth never quite got into the nitty-gritty of daily politics but kept an eye on the macro
Culturally, think of all the men and women who received honors from Elizabeth (honorary British knights and dames) - that sort of thing has an impact.
Globally, the minor realms were important to Elizabeth and she felt they were under-appreciated
All those realms had their own political institutions but British royalty kept cultural links alive
Paul McCartney fondly recalls Queen Elizabeth, including that time he got ‘a bit too cheeky’
McCartney first met the late queen in 1965 when The Beatles were awarded the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire.
nypost.com
Sting says he had a ‘quiet weep’ for Queen Elizabeth II
Musician said he was ‘sad’ for his country and ‘what it has lost’
www.independent.co.uk
Sure they could.
I was flipping back and forth from CNN and NBC. Finally settling on NBC as the CNN folks wouldn’t shut up.
They let it happen.
Bush 43 was in on it, right? I think there was a poll where something like 40% of Democrats believed that. Like the 2020 stolen election conspiracies for Republicans.
One can debate the monarchy and it's future, but if you have a monarch Queen Elizabeth would be the type you want.
The royals are a weird thing but a tie to greater days and the long proud history of the British Empire. Seems to me to be a real life soap opera with them. To the Brits it's obviously much more. Hey good for them. Either way she was a great lady who made significant contributions to the winning of the Cold War and freedom of the West. Normal Americans can appreciate her for that. Other who post here, well who cares.
We've romanticized the crown and the empire it presided over. In fact, it's built on a history of conquest and subjugation and exploitation. Both at home and abroad. "The sun never sets on the British Empire." But it did, eventually. Yet, somehow, many bought into and embrace an idealized past and an idealized crown. Read British history. It's fascinating and absurd, particularly where the royals are concerned.
Now those drawn to Lizzy and who mourn her passing can focus on Charlie. It'll be entertaining....
By the way, I've spent some time in the UK over a few decades and love it. Honestly.
How did I romanticize it? To me it a soap opera.
And to dismiss the achievements of British Empire and its people based on the modern value system in place today is disingenuous at best and misleading at worst. All of human history and most of humanity now is based on subjugation and exploitation. The British Empire and more generally the West were among the first societies to embrace modern principles like Egalitarianism and Freedom.
Never dismissed the achievements of the BE or the UK. Just scoff at the crown and the pageantry as an absurd remnant. "We've romanticized the crown and the empire"---not singling out you. But, in general, "we" gloss over the reality, in the full and proper context of history. Idealizing the past is a pretty common and curious dynamic.
I heard some of Fox - they were quiet because they didn't know who anyone was or what was going on and why.
Being quiet is good but BBC filled in with some key info.
BBC version - check 4:41.30 hours in (procession - awesome camera work)
See 5:59:0 for description of resting place
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Sorry but there's no way an American netowrk was going to touch the BBC version of Queen Elizabeth's funeral. Read the comments from around the world on BBC YouTube. It would be like British soccer guys covering NFL game.
Being the official network of UK the BBC would not have been "covering" the event as much as participating in it. I'm sure they were involved in the planning of the funeral for a long time.
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That’s not what I am saying.
* When you have 70 years to plan for something with access and support of the subject you’re covering it damn well better be as good as you said. And it was.
That being said the media across the pond does a great job covering the events that happen and when they happen. Even without a lead time as long as the BBC had.
But will agree the BBC is really good already on their own.
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