Didn’t they put roofies in lunch at parties?I’m guessing sigma chi
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Didn’t they put roofies in lunch at parties?I’m guessing sigma chi
Heard she did the same thing at Bowling Green before she got here. She’s been slowly booting fraternities out of RU. She’s put in so many regulations that there’s a good chance every fraternity has violated one of them. She just punished them whenever she feels like it.How so? Dean Arnholt has done all she could to eradicate them since the late 90s and no one else in the admin cares.This is simply a false statement.
I have no dog in this fight but once again you come off looking like a massive fool on this board.
Greek houses are a major part of the school having a college feel. How you can be a professor and not get that is mind boggling.
Funny, I thought the proressors gave it a college feel.
The majority of students have nothing to do with any frat for four years. They cater to a small minority of white kids whom everyone else mostly makes fun of.
The only thing I got from that call is a kid died at Penn State, so Rutgers decided to go on a purge of all fraternities that host parties, and National was their willing executioner. They didn't even have the decency to state publically the Xanax allegation was a lie. Smeared every single one of those kids as a Cosby style rapist.Yes,Sigma Chi. National had a phone conference with interested brothers and alumni. Seemed like a bunch of bullshit reasons to me, but I'm not tuned in as much as others.
You’re like a caricature of a navel gazing academic teaching a subject that has no real world application.
No university, anywhere, wants them to exist anymore. You'll find varying degrees of tolerance, but they all want them to disappear, preferably without incident. They're nothing but a liability for the university now. Any university.the frat scene is dead at RU.
Rutgers didn’t want them anymore and have been slowly kicking them off campus for minor offenses despite a lot of the charitable work the fraternities do.
It’s a shame but it’s the world we live in now.
I know even back in the 80's the administration was anti-Greek. Way back then they wanted to confiscate their land and move them over to either Busch or Livingston, I forget which one.How so? Dean Arnholt has done all she could to eradicate them since the late 90s and no one else in the admin cares.
Wouldn’t be shocked if Barchi had a hand in that. Guy needed to leave here yesterday.
Unfortunately its true, i graduated in 2013 and it started during that time when zeta psi amongst many others were put an end to.
If there was one fraternity that deserved to be put to an end it was that one.
Also pretty sure they were never even officially recognized by the university during my whole undergrad time (07-11).
I have heard some of that story from friends who are members.. and who are rebuilding that house themselves from the inside.. with family members. Really quite an interesting story there.I think the undergrads of Zeta Psi lost their way. Thats a fantastic alumni base (alpha chapter is Rutgers) and the history is as illustrious as any at rutgers. I hope they figure it out and get back to what made them a special org. Bc what they had become was a far cry from that.
Sure you were...Frats and Sororities are very American. I wasn’t in one but it’s sad what’s happened to them at RU. Virtually every big school I ever see has a much nicer row of big beautiful houses that look well maintained and cared for.
So, so typical of you. You think mockery is of value in making an argument. I suppose that is why people like yo engage in mockery as if it shows you understand something. And you want to be on the side of the presumed majority who mock.Funny, I thought the proressors gave it a college feel.
The majority of students have nothing to do with any frat for four years. They cater to a small minority of white kids whom everyone else mostly makes fun of.
The idea that fraternities are crucial to the collegiate experience is as preposterous as the notion athletics are crucial. But that doesn't mean either one cannot contribute to that experience, and in a healthy college environment both can, and often do, play a role.
I'm glad I didn't pledge a fraternity, but I found what at the time I thought was my perfect niche on campus and in many ways that association served the same function. Many, many other students do the same. So I don't shed any tears about fraternities dying out, as the negative publicity they occasionally garner makes the entire university look bad.
And can we stop with citing numbers of dollars raised for charity? Some of the worst people in the world buy PR doing the same thing. Glad you do it, but if you're going to tell me that's the reason for your existence, make that point elsewhere.
But the bigger issue is that society is changing to the point where what fraternities APPEAR to represent has become archaic. I stress that I don't think that's entirely fair, but it is true. Anything all-male is bad, anything all-female is empowering. As non-subtle as that can be at times, the message is also sent that wanting to associate with other males is somehow in itself misogynistic. I don't understand that view, and I yell about it all the time in other places, but it's certainly true. Left alone, I would not be surprised if they only had another generation or two before they started to die out.
And of course, this is not the South. Having transferred back home after starting college in the old Confederacy, I can tell you the fraternity system at Rutgers wasn't anything special even back in the 80s. It really didn't hold a candle to places where fraternities are the most influential entities on campus (outside of the football coach's office, perhaps), with graceful mansions and sports cars in the parking lot. But it served a purpose for enough people to justify its existence. And that should be enough for any office in the administration.
Agree with all of that but will say communal living in a dorm is much different than a brick and mortar place you can call your own.I hear alot of people who compare the fraternity life of schools based on the size of the houses. Thats a one dimensionsal way of looking at it, as if the size of the house and the amount of money tied to the organization is somehow reflective of influence, power, prestige or whatever that young people gravitate toward.
I can tell you that I wasnt attracted by those things explicitly. I was mostly attracted to non tangible things -- like brotherhood and having a shared ethos. The experience you have as a pledge is akin to the Michael Douglas movie "The Game". Its an amazing one. No group will ever go so far out of their way to create an experience for you again in your life.
So what I appreciate about fraternity is the amorphous. The things you cant touch but you can feel. These things are unique and they dont die with the houses. They live on forever as long as the fraternity membership lives on, because the lifeblood is the membership, not the house
Writing?
Anyway, I'm speaking as a former student here, not a professor. In the late 90s and early 00s the frats were about the lamest thing one could associate with. They were considered a joke.
No university, anywhere, wants them to exist anymore. You'll find varying degrees of tolerance, but they all want them to disappear, preferably without incident. They're nothing but a liability for the university now. Any university.
... the bigger issue is that society is changing to the point where what fraternities APPEAR to represent has become archaic. I stress that I don't think that's entirely fair, but it is true. Anything all-male is bad, anything all-female is empowering. As non-subtle as that can be at times, the message is also sent that wanting to associate with other males is somehow in itself misogynistic.
Yes, no doubt about thatAgree with all of that but will say communal living in a dorm is much different than a brick and mortar place you can call your own.
You don’t have DU on your ass like every other lax player I knew in the early 90s???Frats and Sororities are very American. I wasn’t in o e but it’s sad what’s happened to them at RU. Virtually every big school I ever see has a much nicer row of big beautiful houses that look well maintained and cared for.
No, we mostly have politicians to blame. People who look to gain power by pretending to care and championing causes. Fraternities are consolidated groups with identities, thus making them targets and the poster boys for things that go on everywhere, with or without formal structures. By targeting them instead of the actual issues, you misrepresent the issues as belonging to them when it’s rampant throughout campus. Power is then gained for a minority way smaller than fraternities, and brotherhoods are then lost.The fraternities only have themselves to blame.
How in the hell did you play football and have time for a fraternity and studies. I could barely fit football and studies in, let alone add a fraternity into the equation. I commend you on your time management skills. I would have been put on probation the 1st semester, then flunked out by the second..Lambda Chi here.
If you were never in a fraternity you will never understand what frat life is about.
Life time friends I see regularly, attend weddings of offspring of brothers, kids call me uncle.
How in the hell did you play football and have time for a fraternity and studies. I could barely fit football and studies in, let alone add a fraternity into the equation. I commend you on your time management skills. I would have been put on probation the 1st semester, then flunked out by the second..
I think this fall will be the first time, in basically 100 years, that there will not be a fraternity on Union Street. In my day, 22 fraternities had houses on the College Ave campus. I believe there are 8 frats with lettered houses now, after the purge last year. Several unofficial houses are scattered off campus, however, those locations typically change frequently.
Personally, as an ex frat guy, it was a fantastic experience. It had value in so many ways. Still today, 30 years later, I have many fraternity friends. We still get together at each others homes, golf outings, McSorleys meet-ups, RU games, vacations etc. Happy to say my daughter is a Rutgers sorority girl and hope the system will be there for my son.
Rutgers sees fraternity and social environments (Rutgersfest, tailgating, the alley, etc.) as nothing but liabilities. They don’t consider or care about it adding to the student experience. Damn shame. I see their view but I think it’s a scared of everything type of position
I would bet Rutgers perception amongst NJ HS students would dramatically increase just by bringing back Rutgersfest, the alley, and frats.
so she is only going after the Fraternities and not the sororities.Heard she did the same thing at Bowling Green before she got here. She’s been slowly booting fraternities out of RU. She’s put in so many regulations that there’s a good chance every fraternity has violated one of them. She just punished them whenever she feels like it.
When that new house on Sicard was built, it was meant for a sorority. From some reason, Arnholt just doesn’t like fraternities.
Correct. Sororities do not have parties in their houses so there is less risk of any incidents in those lettered houses now. I believe sororities actually have rules that forbid any men inside their house unless there is a charity event or mixer going on.so she is only going after the Fraternities and not the sororities.Heard she did the same thing at Bowling Green before she got here. She’s been slowly booting fraternities out of RU. She’s put in so many regulations that there’s a good chance every fraternity has violated one of them. She just punished them whenever she feels like it.
When that new house on Sicard was built, it was meant for a sorority. From some reason, Arnholt just doesn’t like fraternities.