OT: Sandusky Story Gets Worse
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I brought this up last summer, that a buddy of mine has family that work in college athletics and it was well-known for decades that Sandusky was off-limits before the November 2011 Centre County grand jury charging Sandusky with 40 counts of molesting eight boys from 1994 to 2009. The JokePA internet militia went wild.
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The odds that Sandusky, whose parents ran camps for children that he worked at as a teenager, all of a sudden became a pedophile in his 50's is infinitesmal. The huge risk for PSU has always been that the true story of what happened in the 80's and 90's came out, and it is now happening.
Yep BWI has all the excuses. Now the insurance company is involved in a conspiracy with their Board of Trustees. And the writer who reported the story is a liar. And the judge who made the ruling hates Penn State because he's an OSU fan.
Man you can't make this stuff up.
Yahoo Sports picked it up:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...erno-of-sandusky-abuse-in-1976-004741886.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...erno-of-sandusky-abuse-in-1976-004741886.html
I resent the implication that I have no sympathy for the victims. The fact that PSU chose football over protecting children from molestation is sickening. Everyone (except PSU message boards) agrees with that.
There is still a real world impact of this story now matter how shitty on what is currently happening. I think it's perfectly legitimate to ask A. Why hasn't this impacted their recruiting more negatively already and B. If this latest revelation could impact this or next years class. Recruits should want to have pride in their school like they can at Rutgers!
I've said it 1000 times:
if a kid got a girl pregnant at PSU, in the 70's, 80's, 90's, or 00's, Joe KNEW before anyone else. ANYONE ELSE ON THAT CAMPUS. Thinking that scumbag didn't know what Sandusky was doing, IMHO, is the most short-sighted shit in the history of college athletics. JOE KNEW!!!!!!
if a kid got a girl pregnant at PSU, in the 70's, 80's, 90's, or 00's, Joe KNEW before anyone else. ANYONE ELSE ON THAT CAMPUS. Thinking that scumbag didn't know what Sandusky was doing, IMHO, is the most short-sighted shit in the history of college athletics. JOE KNEW!!!!!!
I said it before and I will say it again. The PSU guys hate it but the only reason Joe kept Sandusky around and made him "coach emeritu" was so he could stay in control of the information. Had he fired him and let him go elsewhere Sandusky would have continued the behavior and any investigation would have come back to ruin the PSU brand. He knew from the onset and controlled the cover up. He was protecting the PSU brand from the beginning. Everything that happened on that campus that was even remotely connected to football, and Sandusky was certainly connected to football, went through Joe's office had he ruled on it. He was god over there. He controlled it from the onset and the PSUguys will just have to accept it.
Articles:
Joe Paterno's sins of omission make idolatry of him even more misguided
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...al-rape-penn-state/1g0fyort25wyx1xvfmdqg58y5q
Report: Joe Paterno allegedly told of Jerry Sandusky sex abuse in 1976
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...erry-sandusky-sex-abuse-joe-paterno/83994036/
Report: Insurer alleges child told Joe Paterno of Jerry Sandusky sex abuse in 1976
http://espn.go.com/college-football...old-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-sex-abuse-1976
Joe Paterno's sins of omission make idolatry of him even more misguided
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...al-rape-penn-state/1g0fyort25wyx1xvfmdqg58y5q
Report: Joe Paterno allegedly told of Jerry Sandusky sex abuse in 1976
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...erry-sandusky-sex-abuse-joe-paterno/83994036/
Report: Insurer alleges child told Joe Paterno of Jerry Sandusky sex abuse in 1976
http://espn.go.com/college-football...old-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-sex-abuse-1976
Wow!!! just Wow!!! I made the mistake of going over to the BWI board to see their reaction. If we ever get to that point here at Rutgers with the cult like apologists for wrongdoing, I will personally lobby for the entire stadium to be burnt to the ground and athletics to be abolished at the school. Do those people ever TRY to take a step back and look at what the are saying? I'm almost expecting that if this latest incident doesn't get brushed under the carpet that there will soon be a topic over there discussing Koolade recipes.
Penn State will never get by this scandal until the fans and the BOT of the school admit Joe Pa was implicit in knowing about Sandusky. There is probably even more that will come out in the next year or so if they bring Spanier, Curly etc to trial.
The football culture over kids still persists. The school never learned its lesson. The majority of Nitters still defend Joe Pa even though there have been countless allegations that he knew more than he led on.
This is not a recruiting issue, it goes much deeper. Kids that pick PSU just don't have a strong moral compass. ( Sorry if that offends certain people) Rutgers is not perfect by any means, but if this had gone on at RU, the football program would have been shut down indefinitely. That is a fact!
The football culture over kids still persists. The school never learned its lesson. The majority of Nitters still defend Joe Pa even though there have been countless allegations that he knew more than he led on.
This is not a recruiting issue, it goes much deeper. Kids that pick PSU just don't have a strong moral compass. ( Sorry if that offends certain people) Rutgers is not perfect by any means, but if this had gone on at RU, the football program would have been shut down indefinitely. That is a fact!
I've always wondered the same thing, and imagine if ,again like you, throwing this out there,the two of them were lovers,lol,oh my, what would they say then????
If we're going to be honest and open minded,how couldn't they? Seems hard to believe that you could spend that much time in the locker rooms, around players and coaches and never hear some of the talk.
Rutgers had to issue an official apologetic response to Ped St. over the tailgate flag and we have NEVER heard any remorse from them officially over the kiddie rape charges,sad. Funny, not a word about it on ESPN.
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e-mail from Curley to Schulz and Spanier:
"I had scheduled a meeting with you about the subject discussed Sunday.
After giving it some thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday--
I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone
but the person involved...
Spanier e-mail response:
"Tim. This approach is acceptable to me...
The only downside for us is if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and we become vulnerable
for not having reported it..."
Schulz e-mail response:
" Tim and Graham, this is a more humane and upfront way to handle this. I can support this approach,
with the understanding that we will inform his organization......We can play it by ear to decide about the other
organization..."
( It is assumed First = Second Mile, Second = State Dept. of Public Welfare)
So it sure looks like the three administrators were ready to report
but AFTER TALKING IT OVER WITH JOE the plan changed
even though it was recognized that they were becoming vulnerable
in not reporting. Who could this mysterious "Joe" be that could have so much influence
over the university president, senior vice-president, and athletic director?
The "joe did what the law allowed by reporting to his superior" crowd are just idiots.
If Joe knew nothing until McQueey brought the news to him the proper response was
to call the police, or have McQueery call the police.
And I mean the police, not some administrator who has some authority over the campus police.
But if Joe knew way before the McQueery visit....hmmmm......
Joe Knew.
"I had scheduled a meeting with you about the subject discussed Sunday.
After giving it some thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday--
I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone
but the person involved...
Spanier e-mail response:
"Tim. This approach is acceptable to me...
The only downside for us is if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and we become vulnerable
for not having reported it..."
Schulz e-mail response:
" Tim and Graham, this is a more humane and upfront way to handle this. I can support this approach,
with the understanding that we will inform his organization......We can play it by ear to decide about the other
organization..."
( It is assumed First = Second Mile, Second = State Dept. of Public Welfare)
So it sure looks like the three administrators were ready to report
but AFTER TALKING IT OVER WITH JOE the plan changed
even though it was recognized that they were becoming vulnerable
in not reporting. Who could this mysterious "Joe" be that could have so much influence
over the university president, senior vice-president, and athletic director?
The "joe did what the law allowed by reporting to his superior" crowd are just idiots.
If Joe knew nothing until McQueey brought the news to him the proper response was
to call the police, or have McQueery call the police.
And I mean the police, not some administrator who has some authority over the campus police.
But if Joe knew way before the McQueery visit....hmmmm......
Joe Knew.
It was just reported on Good Morning America around 7:15 AM. Bigger audience.
Wholeheartedly disagree with the people who just want to ignore this topic because it's been brought up so many times.....I truly hope a new wrinkle comes out every 6 months and continues to blow up on this board to continue to raise awareness. Instead of building Joe Pa statues Penn State should be using that money to build education centers to raise awareness for molestation - of course we all know that will never happen. Instead Penn State has become ground zero for covering up and attempting to spin one of the worst stories ever - PATHETIC AND INEXCUSABLE!!!! JOE KNEW!!!!!
It's funny how, in the end, it's always the insurance angle that winds up being the smoking gun.
Penn State essentially increased the scope of their liability coverage in 1999 to include such things as would later be alleged against Sandusky.
Gee... now, why would they do that?
Penn State essentially increased the scope of their liability coverage in 1999 to include such things as would later be alleged against Sandusky.
Gee... now, why would they do that?
It's not over until we hear sworn testimony from Paterno's three stooges that still await their time in the dock. Despite the inbreed Pennsy justice system trying to minimize the case at some point these guys are going to have to choose, take a conviction and dummy up for the memory of child rape enabler or try to avoid a sentence.
You think it's over...check this out!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sandusky-overturn-conviction_us_5727bc77e4b016f3789333f2
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sandusky-overturn-conviction_us_5727bc77e4b016f3789333f2
Serious question: do we know this for a fact?
If so, to me, that is the most damning evidence that there was prior knowledge AND intent to cover it up.
The Philly Live article pretty explicitly describes the scenario around the insurance coverage, which it says was obtained from court documents. It doesn't seem like the sort of thing anyone would think to make up.
What surprised me was the INCREASE in coverage. As you said, why else would they increase their level of coverage if it wasn't for knowledge of prior events. For those that covered it up, I'd like to know how they sleep at night.
Sandusky was the monster, but if you do nothing, as PSU did, they're not far off. It makes me sick.
"in 1987, a PSU Assistant Coach is alleged to have witnessed inappropriate contact between Sandusky and a child at a PSU facility; in 1988, another PSU Assistant Coach reportedly witnessed sexual contact between Sandusky and a child; and also in 1988, a child’s report of his molestation by Sandusky was allegedly referred to PSU’s Athletic Director."
Forget 1976. This is the part that should send shivers down the spines of the psu faithful. Of course, it won't.
Forget 1976. This is the part that should send shivers down the spines of the psu faithful. Of course, it won't.
You would have to think that anyone on the Penn State staff after - at the very latest - 1988 would have known on some level about allegations related to Sandusky's behavior.
This puts us in a rather uncomfortable position re: Gary.
Insurance companies fight to the death when $$$ are involved and they leave no stone unturned.
If you want to see how the twisted mind of a cult member thinks, check out this thread in a non-sports board and the postings of a poster named "dinner socks"
http://www.dawgshed.com/threads/chi...n-1976-decades-before-official-action.185993/
http://www.dawgshed.com/threads/chi...n-1976-decades-before-official-action.185993/
This. The 87 & 88 incidents aren't being discussed as much, but they sure seem to suggest a systemic process existed to "handle" these allegations in house (which would have to include knowledge at JoePa's level).
Heard this as well.Friends of the family were in the Temple administrative offices. Remember my father asking why they never went after Penn State coaches specifically the coordinators. Response was off limits beyond normal restrictions.
It's simple, no coach would ever negatively recruit using this story. You can't. Also, everyone in PA is part of the cult, not just PSU fans. Essentially every kid grows up in that area wanting to play for PSU. And if their parents brainwash them into thinking nothing bad happened, then there's no reason not to go.
