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Good point on managed funds. You need non-taxed accounts to deal with cap gains and distributions.
Just a further point/emphasis on a Roth: I really don’t think you want to put much Roth money into a potential high flyer that could be very risky. There is too much “single stock risk” for a single stock in a Roth that is hard to replace. So to me, perhaps a 5% play is okay but you don’t want to lose substantial Roth space on an Enron, CMGI, Global Crossing, GE, Pan Am, Etc.) I’d vote for something that has very good long term potential and avoids “ single stock risk”, but perhaps sacrifices the “Potential Home Run” for something that is very likely to perform well over the long term (e.g., I’d go for a long term growth fund).
 
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Important difference between TSLA and F?

Over the past 12 months, TSLA made more profit than what F did in the last 3 years (almost 4 years). Helps explain the market caps.

 
Important difference between TSLA and F?

Over the past 12 months, TSLA made more profit than what F did in the last 3 years (almost 4 years). Helps explain the market caps.

That is some hilarious math there.

Ford will have made more both over the last 3 years, and when they report in 2 days, over the last 4 quarters.

Meanwhile TSLA has 12xish the market cap.
 
That is some hilarious math there.

Ford will have made more both over the last 3 years, and when they report in 2 days, over the last 4 quarters.

Meanwhile TSLA has 12xish the market cap.
Just reporting what is posted:
TTM (thru last quarter) = $2.87B
2020 = -$1.28B
2019 = 0.05B
2018 = 3.68B

F has been sucking wind for a long, long time.
 
Just reporting what is posted:
TTM (thru last quarter) = $2.87B
2020 = -$1.28B
2019 = 0.05B
2018 = 3.68B

F has been sucking wind for a long, long time.
Well Ford has absolutely crushed expectations in each of the last 5 quarters. 200% over expectations.. Plus recent reports say they are going to book $8B in profit from their Rivian investment this qtr. So hokey accounting for sure, but given TSLA has benefitted quite nicely from gov't tax credits, it's kind of in line for the sector.

Now there is certainly plenty of math that you could use to suggest why TSLA deserves a significantly higher multiple, but this wasn't it.
 
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Well Ford has absolutely crushed expectations in each of the last 5 quarters. 200% over expectations.. Plus recent reports say they are going to book $8B in profit from their Rivian investment this qtr. So hokey accounting for sure, but given TSLA has benefitted quite nicely from gov't tax credits, it's kind of in line for the sector.

Now there is certainly plenty of math that you could use to suggest why TSLA deserves a significantly higher multiple, but this wasn't it.
Govt tax credit for Tesla ran out 2 years ago.
 
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Just reporting what is posted:
TTM (thru last quarter) = $2.87B
2020 = -$1.28B
2019 = 0.05B
2018 = 3.68B

F has been sucking wind for a long, long time.
a quick Google search says Ford had 3Q net income of $1.8 billion vs $2.32 billion full year for Tesla. That’s some crazy spin.
 
The financial data I posted on F is accurate and so is TSLA $5.5B in profit last year. Sorry to break the news to you, but TSLA is just a much better company and has been for a while.
 
I sold 3 shares of my AMZN and brought 5 shares of TSLA to diversify. I think TSLA is closer to its bottom than AMZN.

I haven’t touch crypto yet.
 
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I sold 3 shares of my AMZN and brought 5 shares of TSLA to diversify. I think TSLA is closer to its bottom than AMZN.
TSLA is a good buy, very strong quarter. AMZN short term is yet to be determined, earnings coming next week (I believe).
 
The financial data I posted on F is accurate and so is TSLA $5.5B in profit last year. Sorry to break the news to you, but TSLA is just a much better company and has been for a while.
LOL. Talk about fitting the data to get the result you want. Ford’s net income for the first 3Qs in 2020 was $5.7 billion.
 
In for some T at 23.65. Let's see if this 24ish area holds. I'll buy more if it goes lower.
I grabbed some profits around $27 before the drop and I’m still holding a bunch. I’m thinking of buying more but having a hard time wrapping my head around the CEO’s moronic interview yesterday that took the stock down. He needs to be fired ASAP.
 
I grabbed some profits around $27 before the drop and I’m still holding a bunch. I’m thinking of buying more but having a hard time wrapping my head around the CEO’s moronic interview yesterday that took the stock down. He needs to be fired ASAP.
27 is where there's firm resistance as I've mentioned a couple times. 24ish is where there is some support so I bought some. If it gets back to that 26-27 area I'll probably sell some depending on what's going on at the time.

If I happen to be holding any when they break up with Warner, I'm fine holding both but if I have to choose I may go with the exchange for Warner/Disc stock. I don't like this CEO all that much and HBO global numbers seemed pretty good yesterday.
 
TSLA is a good buy, very strong quarter. AMZN short term is yet to be determined, earnings coming next week (I believe).


No doubt TSLA had a very good quarter. Having a good quarter and a stock being a good buy don’t always correlate. It depends on other analytics such as changing pricing multiples and prices can be impacted by variables such as “buy the rumor sell the news”. Tesla had a huge run-up in the 4th quarter and the price was most likely factored in long before the results being reported.
 
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No doubt TSLA had a very good quarter. Having a good quarter and a stock being a good buy don’t always correlate. It depends on other analytics such as changing pricing multiples and prices can be impacted by variables such as “buy the rumor sell the news”. Tesla had a huge run-up in the 4th quarter and the price was most likely factored in long before the results being reported.
Awesome quarter, massive expansion in sales in 2022 and beyond with Berlin and Austin, 20-30% off its high.....very good buy.
 
Last two days allocation to stock now up to 45-55% with almost every big Tech stocks with real PE under 50, with some beaten down S&P stocks. Hope they recover half their price and I’ll be happy. I don’t know if I’m early but you have to gamble. Only down about 3-5% from my assets high so far, good thing I move to cash before the crash.
 
Not a stock for me and my tolerance at that PE but weren't there some asking about TSLA below 1000? Well it's below 900 now so is anyone buying?
Never brought TSLA before but brought at $900 in small quantity and will see how it goes. TSLA down 25% and AMZN down about 15%. Still didn’t buy any crypto.
 
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All auto stocks will get hit. Chip shortage will be the black cloud hanging over the sector. Thinking about selling Ford and buy it back cheaper or just double down when it sells off.
 
Testament to appropriate management of the pandemic and vaccines.
Or the vast majority of the public not giving an S anymore. I think most of the country is living a normal life now (whether good or bad - not judging).
 
Ain’t this market fun! Like I previously said, just wait until the Big Banks and Goldman report numbers from their trading desks. They are cleaning-up on these swings.
 
Ain’t this market fun! Like I previously said, just wait until the Big Banks and Goldman report numbers from their trading desks. They are cleaning-up on these swings.
SP still below 200DMA and Nasdaq even more so. You can see the relative weakness of the Nasdaq too. Sentiment is still negative. Works for me, I'm still waiting on some names to see if they will fall to me.

Apple after hours can be another market moving event.
 
Is there any particular news sending the stock down so hard?
The negative: No new products this year due to semiconductor shortage lingering throughout 2022.

The good:
Despite semiconductor shortage, Tesla will "comfortably" exceed 50% growth this year.
Fundamentals of the business are stronger than ever. Tesla's operating leverage is ridiculous. Despite growing/spending as fast as possible, cash on hand continue to increase.
Berlin and Austin beginning production.
Fremont and Shanghai continue to expand production.
4680 cells on track and will be implemented in Austin model Y.
Tesla is NOT currently battery constrained.
Elon would be "shocked" if FSD isn't better than humans before the end of this year.
 
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Was omicron an economic nothingburger?

The "why" of this "unexpected" jump? One explanation is shelves were empty. Many industries/segments were in need of restocking low/depleted inventories. So goods were produced, sold, and stocked. The supply chain was engaged. And thus this GDP jump.

Now the challenge is to sell those goods. And the demand might not be there at sizable and sustainable levels. So a GDP setback may be likely. Now there's inflation (higher prices), an impending equities market correction, higher interest rates via the Fed, all culminating in a growing threat of an economic downturn.

And the economic impact of Omnicron will appear in the first 1Q-2Q numbers for '22. As well as the potential emergence of a new variant.
 
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