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Will wait and see if Russia will stop at these 2 regions only.
Thing is they already invaded and took those regions along with Crimea back in 2014/2015. So far no new additional land grabs have occurred.

We’ll see how this plays out. It would take a lot of shcarole to pacify the Ukranian population in the event of a broader operation, and it only gets tougher the further west you go.
 
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Thing is they already invaded and took those regions along with Crimea back in 2014/2015. So far no new additional land grabs have occurred.

We’ll see how this plays out. It would take a lot of shcarole to pacify the Ukranian population in the event of a broader operation, and it only gets tougher the further west you go.
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Sounds like these areas were essentially controlled and ruled by Russian loyalists already. The Crimea "invasion" was a long time ago and accomplished the same thing.
 
If this is it, essentially Crimea 2.0, it will be a brief market event with no lasting impact. Don't wait and miss out. I'm buying everyday that reduces my CBs. Simple as that.

Focusing on TQQQ and UPRO. Also eyeing URTY and SOXL (looking for these to get back to recent lows).
You’ll get to buy on a lot more days to reduce your CBs.
 
It means you have no idea (and FYI, still not back at recent lows). Good thing someone else manages your money. LOL.
And I’m ok with saying I don’t know. Better than repeating the same thing over and over again. Like I said you’ll have plenty of opportunities to buy more to lower your CBs
 
And I’m ok with saying I don’t know.
And we agree, so why are we arguing? Nobody knows about the day-to-day movement, but since I know that the market will trend up over the long run, I am buying when I get the prices I want.

Isn't there a famous quote saying that I have made billions never buying at the bottom or selling at the top? My goal is better, not perfection.
 
So what’s on the shopping list?
Just the usual names I’ve mentioned here in tech and other sectors. Might be able to finally average down a couple as I’ve been waiting on them to see if they’d fall to levels I’ve mentioned here. I might jump back into ones that I’ve sold recently. It all depends on how far things drop.

MMM is one I’ve mentioned keeping an eye on but I think I may just keep that on the periphery of my radar if not off completely now. I wasn’t as aware of the magnitude of the potential legal liability. It’s a wide range and there’s no class. Seems like too much uncertainty which may keep it drifting lower over time. The headline risk is likely to the downside with any whopping verdicts too vs cases they actually win.
 
Just the usual names I’ve mentioned here in tech and other sectors. Might be able to finally average down a couple as I’ve been waiting on them to see if they’d fall to levels I’ve mentioned here. I might jump back into ones that I’ve sold recently. It all depends on how far things drop.

MMM is one I’ve mentioned keeping an eye on but I think I may just keep that on the periphery of my radar if not off completely now. I wasn’t as aware of the magnitude of the potential legal liability. It’s a wide range and there’s no class. Seems like too much uncertainty which may keep it drifting lower over time. The headline risk is likely to the downside with any whopping verdicts too vs cases they actually win.
Morningstar on MMM:

No Material Surprises in 3M's Investor Day; Stock Discounted, Despite Legal Headwinds

Analyst Note | Updated Feb 14, 2022
Nothing in 3M’s 2022 investor day materially alters our long-term view of the firm. However, we are bumping up our fair value estimate by $1 per share to $192 following our review of 3M’s 10-K filing, given a greater level of funding in the company's pension and postretirement accounts. In our view, 3M hasn’t increased intrinsic value in the nearly four years since Mike Roman was installed as CEO. Nonetheless, the stock looks discounted, trading 18% below our fair value estimate. While litigation risks will make the firm’s story murky for the foreseeable future, they won’t make or break a stock call, in our view. Removing their effects only adds 5%-6% to our fair value estimate.

While 3M’s stock is no pound-the-table bargain, dividend investors may find it attractive with its 3% forward yield, which is well ahead of other industrials and the S&P 500 (1.27% for the index at year-end). Furthermore, we think the dividend is safe, given 3M’s prioritization among its capital allocation priorities and a strong balance sheet. In our view, a worst-case scenario would likely only affect the firm’s ability to repurchase its shares (which would only remove about a $1 or so in intrinsic value). Finally, we think the dividend can grow at a 6% five-year CAGR, relatively in line with the 7% EPS five-year CAGR we’ve earmarked for the firm.

Management also updated its 2022 guidance. We think its guidance for 3.5% organic sales growth, $10.40 in EPS, and $7.6 billion in free cash flow at the midpoints is readily achievable and mostly in line with what we were modeling before this announcement, excluding the impact of respirator sales. We were, however, underappreciating the headwinds related to slowing respirator sales and have made those adjustments. We were disappointed that management didn’t provide longer-term targets (it demurred, given continued macroeconomic uncertainty).

Risk and Uncertainty | Updated Feb 14, 2022
3M is exposed to several risks, including slowing organic growth and supply chain-related disruptions, some end market weakness, a slowdown in industrial production, execution risk related to its recent acquisitions of MModal and Acelity in 2019, as well as market rejection of new product introductions.

Of these risks, we think the most critical risks are ESG and litigation risks related to earplugs and PFAS, the latter of which are a class of organic fluoride-based compounds created by 3M in the 1940s. Combined, we consider these risks greater than 50%, but less than 10% to the fair value of the company from a materiality standpoint, which we've incorporated into the bull-, base-, and bear-case scenarios of our model. We point out PFAS compounds aren't easily broken down in nature, but are found in the water supply in portions of the United States and Europe. 3M originally manufactured them in everyday products like non-stick pans and fire-retardant materials, but were voluntarily phased out by the company; this process began in the early 2000s.

Nevertheless, the firm had to settle environmental suits, including against its home state of Minnesota in the amount of $850 million versus a suit that originally sought a payout of $5 billion from the office of the state attorney general. In 2021, 3M reserved $412 million related to its manufacturing sites it deemed "probable and estimable." However, we point out that this reserve does not account for product liability risks, which are significant given an association with higher cholesterol among exposed populations, with a limited association of low birth weights and immunological effects.

Our survey of prior environmental and product liability cases leads us to assume that a low- to mid-single-digit billion-dollar liability (present value) is far more likely.

As for 3M's combat arms litigation, we earmark a liability of just over $3 billion based on inflation adjusted comparable cases and the number of cases pending.
 
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Morningstar on MMM:

No Material Surprises in 3M's Investor Day; Stock Discounted, Despite Legal Headwinds

Analyst Note | Updated Feb 14, 2022
Nothing in 3M’s 2022 investor day materially alters our long-term view of the firm. However, we are bumping up our fair value estimate by $1 per share to $192 following our review of 3M’s 10-K filing, given a greater level of funding in the company's pension and postretirement accounts. In our view, 3M hasn’t increased intrinsic value in the nearly four years since Mike Roman was installed as CEO. Nonetheless, the stock looks discounted, trading 18% below our fair value estimate. While litigation risks will make the firm’s story murky for the foreseeable future, they won’t make or break a stock call, in our view. Removing their effects only adds 5%-6% to our fair value estimate.

While 3M’s stock is no pound-the-table bargain, dividend investors may find it attractive with its 3% forward yield, which is well ahead of other industrials and the S&P 500 (1.27% for the index at year-end). Furthermore, we think the dividend is safe, given 3M’s prioritization among its capital allocation priorities and a strong balance sheet. In our view, a worst-case scenario would likely only affect the firm’s ability to repurchase its shares (which would only remove about a $1 or so in intrinsic value). Finally, we think the dividend can grow at a 6% five-year CAGR, relatively in line with the 7% EPS five-year CAGR we’ve earmarked for the firm.

Management also updated its 2022 guidance. We think its guidance for 3.5% organic sales growth, $10.40 in EPS, and $7.6 billion in free cash flow at the midpoints is readily achievable and mostly in line with what we were modeling before this announcement, excluding the impact of respirator sales. We were, however, underappreciating the headwinds related to slowing respirator sales and have made those adjustments. We were disappointed that management didn’t provide longer-term targets (it demurred, given continued macroeconomic uncertainty).

Risk and Uncertainty | Updated Feb 14, 2022
3M is exposed to several risks, including slowing organic growth and supply chain-related disruptions, some end market weakness, a slowdown in industrial production, execution risk related to its recent acquisitions of MModal and Acelity in 2019, as well as market rejection of new product introductions.

Of these risks, we think the most critical risks are ESG and litigation risks related to earplugs and PFAS, the latter of which are a class of organic fluoride-based compounds created by 3M in the 1940s. Combined, we consider these risks greater than 50%, but less than 10% to the fair value of the company from a materiality standpoint, which we've incorporated into the bull-, base-, and bear-case scenarios of our model. We point out PFAS compounds aren't easily broken down in nature, but are found in the water supply in portions of the United States and Europe. 3M originally manufactured them in everyday products like non-stick pans and fire-retardant materials, but were voluntarily phased out by the company; this process began in the early 2000s.

Nevertheless, the firm had to settle environmental suits, including against its home state of Minnesota in the amount of $850 million versus a suit that originally sought a payout of $5 billion from the office of the state attorney general. In 2021, 3M reserved $412 million related to its manufacturing sites it deemed "probable and estimable." However, we point out that this reserve does not account for product liability risks, which are significant given an association with higher cholesterol among exposed populations, with a limited association of low birth weights and immunological effects.

Our survey of prior environmental and product liability cases leads us to assume that a low- to mid-single-digit billion-dollar liability (present value) is far more likely.

As for 3M's combat arms litigation, we earmark a liability of just over $3 billion based on inflation adjusted comparable cases and the number of cases pending.
That 3 billion liability for the ear plugs litigation seems low. JPM analyst put a wide range from 2B-100+ B. Another I think gave a base case of 14 billion. There are like 280K plaintiffs and for whatever reason it can’t be made into a class either. Right now they’re going through some bell weather cases but not sure how that will translate to all of them. Awards seem to be in the low double digits of millions but a recent one awarded 110M and that hit the stock. The PFOA lawsuits are just another layer on top of that. So IMO those two things are a huge uncertain cloud over the stock and won’t resolve any time soon.
 
With crypto tanking all weekend and futures already down 500 points tonight — maybe, just maybe we’ll have 1 day in which this thread isn’t all Bull Bull Bull 😉

And in less surprising news, our country is lead by idiots larping The West Wing
 
Futures well off the lows currently and almost positive.

edit: Ukrainian president had a statement that said there will be no war in Ukraine and no wide escalation. That’s what turned the futures around for now.
 
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Futures well off the lows currently and almost positive.

edit: Ukrainian president had a statement that said there will be no war in Ukraine and no wide escalation. That’s what turned the futures around for now.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was hoping for one more buying opportunity. But seriously, if this is just Crimea 2.0, it's a good thing for all nations involved (maybe not good, but not bad).
 
Futures well off the lows currently and almost positive.

edit: Ukrainian president had a statement that said there will be no war in Ukraine and no wide escalation. That’s what turned the futures around for now.
I find it interesting that with all the intel that Biden was sharing, and the pending “invasion”, nobody drew a distinction between the two breakaway regions and the rest of the Ukraine? From what I’ve read, the breakaway regions were seeking independence no matter what.
 

The adherents of the YOLO movement are a young bunch of diehard optimists believing in a single stock and its future performance, pitching in all the chips they have, while hoping for the best.

The meme phenomenon has spread far and wide beyond the obscure dark and not-so-dark humor online boards into the financial market, with crypto meme coin tickers taking up the precious characters of Tweets posted by some prominent investors like Elon Musk. But it has recently overspilled into the conventional financial industry of Wall Street, taking on the form of the YOLO movement.

This bizarre phenomenon has seen stocks being pumped beyond even the most optimistic prices by online message boards in an almost coordinated tidal wave that swept across the booming market through 2020 and 2021.

With over 80% of investors in YOLO stocks being born in the late 1990s, their overconfidence in continued market growth is staggering, allowing them to take on leverage in the form of credits and debts to start investing in selected stocks. And though there is no actual asset class that could be termed YOLO, it pertains to companies that have posted immense gains and generated headlines during the pandemic lockdown period.

Among the most notable examples over 2020 to 2021 are AMC Entertainment (AMC), which skyrocketed by over 2,000% in just under a year, and GameStop (GME)– up 5,232% in the past year. Others in the league are Bed, Bath & Beyond (BBY) with 328% gains, Blackberry (BB) – 113% year-to-date, and others.

One of my nephews seems like a YOLO buying $100k Tesla stock( now 1.5 million) and Bitcoin as his investment but he always has his future inheritance to back him up.
That’s it, I’m going to YOLO $DWAC and call it a day.

 
With crypto tanking all weekend and futures already down 500 points tonight — maybe, just maybe we’ll have 1 day in which this thread isn’t all Bull Bull Bull 😉

And in less surprising news, our country is lead by idiots larping The West Wing
Nice job with the TKR jinx.

this would be a great off ramp for everyone if Putin doesn’t push it.
 

Have seen MDT mentioned here. Their earnings came out today and seemed solid. I saw it was a Barron's pick for 2022. COVID getting better potentially leading to more procedure volume. ZBH is another I've had in the past but not currently and that's been hit even harder. SYK by comparison seems to have held up better than both on a relative basis.
 
Have seen MDT mentioned here. Their earnings came out today and seemed solid. I saw it was a Barron's pick for 2022. COVID getting better potentially leading to more procedure volume. ZBH is another I've had in the past but not currently and that's been hit even harder. SYK by comparison seems to have held up better than both on a relative basis.
I’ve been buying MDT on the theory that COVID delayed a lot of medical procedures. I also like the dividend.
 
I’ve been buying MDT on the theory that COVID delayed a lot of medical procedures. I also like the dividend.
Yea that's the theory. Looks like ZBH and SYK are also basking a little bit in the glow of MDT's earnings which I thought were okay but not great.

Looks like retail is down. HD down 7% off good earnings and 15% divy hike. TGT down too. It was mentioned here a while back and I said it looked like it could be in a double top. Seems like that's the case imo.
 
Yea that's the theory. Looks like ZBH and SYK are also basking a little bit in the glow of MDT's earnings which I thought were okay but not great.

Looks like retail is down. HD down 7% off good earnings and 15% divy hike. TGT down too. It was mentioned here a while back and I said it looked like it could be in a double top. Seems like that's the case imo.
I also like CWH and have held it since COVID created a wave of new outdoor people = just announced 25% dividend increase. I’ve been thinking of buying more based mainly on the RV service business but can’t decide how much interest rate increases will impact RV sales. My gut tells me most people buying RVs aren’t going to be discouraged by a few BPs higher on a purchase loan.
 
S&P down 11% from the high. I just brought a small amount of SPY but expect the S&P to continue drifting down at least 15% or even 20%. I will be slowly buying in increments probably until Fed meetings. 72% assets in cash.
 
S&P down 11% from the high. I just brought a small amount of SPY but expect the S&P to continue drifting down at least 15% or even 20%. I will be slowly buying in increments probably until Fed meetings. 72% assets in cash.
Don't be a wuss! Forget SPY, go with UPRO. :)

Not sure if today will be a buying day for me. Let's see how the last hour of trading goes.
 
Russian RTS futures up nearly 8% after Biden speech
Stupid work meeting, so I missed it. What did Biden say? Seems like a bit of a turnaround around 2pm.

EDIT: sounds like modest sanctions, but clear that the US isn't getting involved.
 
US can’t really do anything to affect Russia

When the S&P down 20% I’ll go with UPRO. Slow and steady
May never get to that level. I'm slow and steady with UPRO and TQQQ. Watching SOXL and URTY for additional 3x plays (semis and R2K), but being patient for the right price.
 
Little more green on the screen now than earlier. Honestly, I don't think of the Ukraine as a long term big deal as far as the market is concerned. There may be spikes down or up on interim news that trickles out but long haul I don't think it will matter a lot. Inflation and where rates go etc....imo are bigger over arching issue for the markets to digest.

FB touched 200 but held for now that psychological level. PYPL also holding 100 for now. SOFI under 11. RBLX hovered around it's IPO price this morning. Retail still looks fairly weak despite the market coming off the lows. HD and NKE are ones I'm keeping an eye one but have been wondering if NKE is in a double top as well like TGT. M had good earnings this morning but similar to HD, it's still down. Not as much of a fan of mall retail though.
 
Honestly, I don't think of the Ukraine as a long term big deal as far as the market is concerned. There may be spikes down or up on interim news that trickles out but long haul I don't think it will matter a lot.
Stuff the this never does. Just not a long-term market issue.
 
I also like CWH and have held it since COVID created a wave of new outdoor people = just announced 25% dividend increase. I’ve been thinking of buying more based mainly on the RV service business but can’t decide how much interest rate increases will impact RV sales. My gut tells me most people buying RVs aren’t going to be discouraged by a few BPs higher on a purchase loan.
CWH is probably too off the beaten path for me. I really don't know but I'd guess a big ticket item like an RV is financed by most who purchased it and I'd think rates might affect that. Are there enough zealous outdoor people to negate any of that impact? Don't know.
 
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