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We promised Ukraine that we would have their back if they gave up the nuclear weapons and Russia attacked. Russia also promised not to invade as part of the agreement. Ukraine was lied to by both sides.
I was unaware that Bush/Baker agreed to not extend NATO past the East German border. Once NATO expanded east they denied that but when classified security documents were finally released it showed that was in fact a lie.

I was a big fan of both men but that obviously has a huge impact on the current situation
 
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I was unaware that Bush/Baker agreed to not extend NATO past the East German border. Once NATO expanded east they denied that but when classified security documents were finally released it showed that was in fact a lie.

I was a big fan of both men but that obviously has a huge impact on the current situation
Not justifying anything with Putin whatsoever, but if you dive deep into the history of Russia after the USSR breakup, we lied to them and f'ed them over countless times. Starting with Clinton and plenty during GWB. This continued with Obama. This is honestly a failure of epic proportions. We had an opportunity to create an ally out of an enemy just like Germany and Japan. For some reason, we didn't do this.
 
You ever look at the 1-year chart on SAM? Hard to believe the stock was over $1200 and is now down something like a wicked 70%.
Didn't realize. DEO and BUD are the names I like in that space but I don't like the debt. You know quite awhile back there was even rumored talk about taking over KO...can you imagine.

It's ironic, I don't drink but I know many people do and that's regardless of whether the economy is booming or not so I like names like that.
 
Not justifying anything with Putin whatsoever, but if you dive deep into the history of Russia after the USSR breakup, we lied to them and f'ed them over countless times. Starting with Clinton and plenty during GWB. This continued with Obama. This is honestly a failure of epic proportions. We had an opportunity to create an ally out of an enemy just like Germany and Japan. For some reason, we didn't do this.
I saw a video where Putin claims he asked Clinton to allow Russia to be considered for NATO membership

I am not expert enough to determine why that would have been a good or bad thing
 
I saw a video where Putin claims he asked Clinton to allow Russia to be considered for NATO membership

I am not expert enough to determine why that would have been a good or bad thing
I believe Boris Yeltsin asked for the same. The path to creating an ally was easily achievable during BY's time. Russia was broken in everyway possible. They needed help with everything. Don't get me wrong, we did a lot to help, but not like Germany and Japan and truly partner with them to rebuild and bring them into the fold as a stable, prosperous western-like nation.
 
I believe Boris Yeltsin asked for the same. The path to creating an ally was easily achievable during BY's time. Russia was broken in everyway possible. They needed help with everything. Don't get me wrong, we did a lot to help, but not like Germany and Japan and truly partner with them to rebuild and bring them into the fold as a stable, prosperous western-like nation.
Yup it appears the groundwork was laid years ago and may have been beyond any current administration to stop.

So actions and decisions made 20 to 30 years ago impact today’s market

And again none of this absolves Putin.
 
Not justifying anything with Putin whatsoever, but if you dive deep into the history of Russia after the USSR breakup, we lied to them and f'ed them over countless times. Starting with Clinton and plenty during GWB. This continued with Obama. This is honestly a failure of epic proportions. We had an opportunity to create an ally out of an enemy just like Germany and Japan. For some reason, we didn't do this.

They didn't do it because they need a bogeyman to keep the military industrial grift going. Peace is not profitable for politicians.
 
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Everything I’ve read says the two strongest moves we could have applied were to sanction Putin directly, and kick them off Swift. Ukraine was begging for this. I saw House members on both sides of the aisle asking for this, which in today’s environment is very unusual. Yet FJB wouldn’t do either, and wouldn’t respond when asked why.
Russia would have been kicked off SWIFT were it not for Germany and to a lesser extent Italy that were holding off. Everything in this world is not the fault of this administration.
 
Russia would have been kicked off SWIFT were it not for Germany and to a lesser extent Italy that were holding off. Everything in this world is not the fault of this administration.
There are Russia supporters on this board trying to create disinformation.
 
With Russia 8 hours ahead of the East Coast and it being Friday night, I’m wondering if the coast is clear for the rest of the day.
 
Not justifying anything with Putin whatsoever, but if you dive deep into the history of Russia after the USSR breakup, we lied to them and f'ed them over countless times. Starting with Clinton and plenty during GWB. This continued with Obama. This is honestly a failure of epic proportions. We had an opportunity to create an ally out of an enemy just like Germany and Japan. For some reason, we didn't do this.
you think the opposite isn’t true? Don’t be so naïve. Never thought I equips see the day that people are sympathetic to a communist country invading another democratic country.
 
you think the opposite isn’t true? Don’t be so naïve. Never thought I equips see the day that people are sympathetic to a communist country invading another democratic country.

It's not naive or sympathetic. It's reality.

Ukraine has been lied to by both NATO and the Russians for a long time. Now they are f*cked.
 
you think the opposite isn’t true? Don’t be so naïve. Never thought I equips see the day that people are sympathetic to a communist country invading another democratic country.
They are following their leader instead of the best interest of our country, USA and Democracy.
 
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With Russia 8 hours ahead of the East Coast and it being Friday night, I’m wondering if the coast is clear for the rest of the day.
Strong move in the market. Going long into the weekend is something you never know but it would take a 180 of yesterday in the afternoon. That was like a 7% move trough to peak, can we see a move like that or in that vicinity peak to trough two days in a row? Anything is possible but doesn't mean probable.

I said yesterday, I still sell into strength. You can get violent countertrend rallies but who knows for sure what this is until after the fact. Like I said if things go up more, I'm okay with it. If I made a profit, I'm satisfied and leave it at that and look for the next thing.
 
Russia has stated in the past that cutting them off from SWIFT would be considered an offensive military act. Unless they directly attack a NATO country it's probably best to let that option sit on the back burner.

Seriously, everyone advocating for kicking them off from SWIFT at this point in the game better be prepared for not having access to funds and potentially critical infrastructure for a protracted period.
 
Russia's has lost 2,800 troops
80 tanks
516 armored vehicles
10 airplanes
5 helicopters
All this as of 3:00 pm Ukraine time
Great job by a very brave country defending itself.
 
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Most sectors look green but staples looks like it has some relative strength today vs the relative weakness yesterday.
 
I saw a video where Putin claims he asked Clinton to allow Russia to be considered for NATO membership

I am not expert enough to determine why that would have been a good or bad thing
Ummm to what degree has the UN Security Council been stymied by Russia, China...when solving world issues- and sometimes the French (lol).

NATO action must be unanimous. Inviting Russia into NATO would have been like inviting a pack of hungry wolves into the hen house.


HARD PASS!

MO
 
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Where did you see these stats?


Ukraine's Defense Ministry said early Friday that since Russian invaded the country Thursday morning, Ukrainian forces have inflicted about 800 casualties on Russian forces (perhaps including wounded soldiers), destroyed more than 30 Russian tanks, seven Russian aircraft, and six helicopters, CNN reports, noting that it is "not able to independently verify Ukraine's figures."

The ministry claimed later Friday morning that Ukrainian air defenses had stopped "two deadly presents from our 'brothers'" from hitting Kyiv, and said Ukrainian forces had destroyed a bridge over the Teteriv river to keep approaching Russian armored units from reaching the embattled capital. Ukraine's Ukrayinska Pravda newspaper confirmed the bridge's destruction.

On Thursday, Ukraine's top army commander and ambassador to the U.S. both said a Russian platoon from the 74th Motorized Brigade surrendered to Ukrainian forces, saying they never believed they would be asked to kill Ukrainians.

Moscow and Kyiv are fighting a propaganda war as well as a military one, so take all official prognoses of the war with a grain of salt. At the same time, while Ukraine is significantly outmatched militarily by its larger, nuclear-armed neighbor, military analysts say the first day of Russia's invasion did not go as well as the Kremlin had planned.

Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, a former U.S. Army commander in Europe, explained on Twitter that Ukraine has advantages Russia does not, like a supportive population and clear believe in their mission. "The Russians currently have an advantage in resources," he said, but their "training sucks," their logistics and intelligence are "clumsy," their soldiers are "mostly 1-year conscripts, not professionals," and "their officers — for the most part — are terrible."

Ukraine's armed forces was similarly "poorly led, trained, and disciplined" when he first served with them in 2004, Hertling added, but "they have improved, significantly," since then. "There are historical examples where a force with superior will can defeat a force with superior resources," he said, and Ukraine will at least put up a long, tough fight.
 
A shipping vessel chartered by Cargill Inc. was struck by a missile early in the day as it was leaving a strategic Black Sea port on Ukraine's southern border.

The entire crew is safe and accounted for and the ship was rerouted to Romania to undergo further inspection, Cargill said.

Cargill owns a majority stake in a deep-sea port on the outskirts of Odessa where it runs a major export operation sending grains and oils around the world. That port, along with several other Ukrainian commercial ports, closed Thursday.

 


Ukraine's Defense Ministry said early Friday that since Russian invaded the country Thursday morning, Ukrainian forces have inflicted about 800 casualties on Russian forces (perhaps including wounded soldiers), destroyed more than 30 Russian tanks, seven Russian aircraft, and six helicopters, CNN reports, noting that it is "not able to independently verify Ukraine's figures."

The ministry claimed later Friday morning that Ukrainian air defenses had stopped "two deadly presents from our 'brothers'" from hitting Kyiv, and said Ukrainian forces had destroyed a bridge over the Teteriv river to keep approaching Russian armored units from reaching the embattled capital. Ukraine's Ukrayinska Pravda newspaper confirmed the bridge's destruction.

On Thursday, Ukraine's top army commander and ambassador to the U.S. both said a Russian platoon from the 74th Motorized Brigade surrendered to Ukrainian forces, saying they never believed they would be asked to kill Ukrainians.

Moscow and Kyiv are fighting a propaganda war as well as a military one, so take all official prognoses of the war with a grain of salt. At the same time, while Ukraine is significantly outmatched militarily by its larger, nuclear-armed neighbor, military analysts say the first day of Russia's invasion did not go as well as the Kremlin had planned.

Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, a former U.S. Army commander in Europe, explained on Twitter that Ukraine has advantages Russia does not, like a supportive population and clear believe in their mission. "The Russians currently have an advantage in resources," he said, but their "training sucks," their logistics and intelligence are "clumsy," their soldiers are "mostly 1-year conscripts, not professionals," and "their officers — for the most part — are terrible."

Ukraine's armed forces was similarly "poorly led, trained, and disciplined" when he first served with them in 2004, Hertling added, but "they have improved, significantly," since then. "There are historical examples where a force with superior will can defeat a force with superior resources," he said, and Ukraine will at least put up a long, tough fight.
I hope those stats are accurate but there hasn't been real confirmation though I also read that the 74th brigade of Russian troops surrendered to Ukrainian forces saying they didn't know they were entering Ukraine to kill but to gather information.
 
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I’m doing some selling this afternoon to lock in gains. With Putin’s assets frozen and sanctions heating up, I have a feeling we could re-test some lows in the coming weeks. CNBC reported that US Airways and NVDA, in addition to Russian military websites, are potentially experiencing cyber attacks.
 
I’m doing some selling this afternoon to lock in gains. With Putin’s assets frozen and sanctions heating up, I have a feeling we could re-test some lows in the coming weeks. CNBC reported that US Airways and NVDA, in addition to Russian military websites, are potentially experiencing cyber attacks.
They're also reporting that Russia's military and cyber sites are now offline either voluntarily to prevent any cyber attack or due to a cyber attack. Interestingly enough, the cyber expert being interviewed said Russia has formidable cyber ammo but that the U.S. is far ahead of their cyber offensive capabilities. Frankly, that surprised me.
 
I’m doing some selling this afternoon to lock in gains. With Putin’s assets frozen and sanctions heating up, I have a feeling we could re-test some lows in the coming weeks. CNBC reported that US Airways and NVDA, in addition to Russian military websites, are potentially experiencing cyber attacks.
Like the saying goes "you don't go broke taking profits"....even if things were to go higher, you made your gains and then look for the next thing or maybe even come back to the same thing in the future. Volatile market like this can always bring those kind of opportunities as well. In the end, green is always better than red.
 
Like the saying goes "you don't go broke taking profits"....even if things were to go higher, you made your gains and then look for the next thing or maybe even come back to the same thing in the future. Volatile market like this can always bring those kind of opportunities as well. In the end, green is always better than red.
Yeah, I got greedy over the last 2 years and missed opportunities to lock in big profits. Won’t make that mistake again.
 
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Yeah, I got greedy over the last 2 years and missed opportunities to lock in big profits. Won’t make that mistake again.
Also just like you don't buy all at once, you don't have to sell all at once either. If you want to keep part of a position and see where things go you can do that but at least locked in some gains. I mentioned on here I did that with MSFT and AMZN recently. Sold some then waited to see if either or both might break some resistance levels and after some time it didn't seem like they would so on a strong day I ended selling the rest of both in just about the same area as the first lot. It ended up being in the same area but I waited to see. Trailing stops are something to use also, maybe in a less volatile market, to try and potentially maximize gains.
 
Would love to see the Russian people protest in the hundreds of thousands this weekend to put this genie back in the bottle.

Putin has overplayed his hand and the Russian people have access to information that they never had before. They all aren't going to believe the
Russian propaganda machine like they have in the past.
 
Do you work? You appear to be on the board significantly during working hours.
LOL…my wife asks me the same question! I’ve got a ton of flexibility. I’m also incredibly efficient and will work at odd hours if I’m awake and bored. And you won’t hear from me as much during fishing season.
 
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