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You guys following this story? I know nothing about Swiss politics or law but if this deal blows up, what happens next? Crazy.

Stopped reading at "though symbolic"
 
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Okay, my thoughts on MRNA:

I like Moderna a lot, but as with all biotechs (even a mature rev producing one), they are riskier than traditional pharma. Moderna's vaccine business is rock solid. Sure, 2021 and 2022 rev was likely inflated due to the COVID vaccine, but they have already announced $5B in COVID vaccine sales for 2023. Any downside or regression to the mean is likely public and baked into analyst targets.

Their mRNA tech is outstanding. Huge advancement vs traditional vaccines in terms of development timelines, safety, and adaptability (i.e., dealing with new strains, if relevant). Their vaccine business should grow briskly since their vaccine pipeline is stacked.

The big risk/reward for Moderna is can they apply mRNA to other areas like ONC, CARDIO, and rare diseases? This is the ball game. If yes, Moderna may become a legit pharma/HC big boy in terms of rev and earnings. If no, they will still have a strong vaccine business that will increase share, but this business has some limitations (like population growth and natural herd immunity).

I own a good amount of MRNA via a few HC funds and ETFs. The irrational price spike in 2020/2021 is long over, so now may be a good time to buy (for a trade or hold).

I can post Morningstar's analysis later.
@Morrischiano - Follow-up to my post above. Morningstar super bullish on Moderna:

Moderna: Long-Term Guidance at Vaccines Day Represents Upside to Our $266 Fair Value

Analyst Note | Updated Apr 11, 2023
Moderna’s vaccine day provided more support for our belief in its ability to expand vaccine revenue beyond COVID-19, given the firm’s rapid pace of development and flexible manufacturing. We’re maintaining our $266 fair value estimate. Management offered a range for 2027 respiratory vaccine sales—including the COVID-19 vaccine and leading phase 3 programs in RSV and influenza—of $8 billion-$15 billion, which is above our own $7.7 billion estimate. While Moderna’s phase 3 efficacy study for flu vaccine mRNA-1010 did not show non-inferiority to approved flu vaccines at an interim look, we expect this was due to the small number of cases seen so far in the study and not an indicator that the vaccine is inferior. We still think the vaccine is positioned to launch in 2024, and we’re bullish on the firm’s pipeline of next-generation respiratory vaccines and combination vaccines, as well as advancing programs in other infectious diseases (including latent viruses like HIV and CMV), oncology, and rare diseases. Research and development costs are growing substantially in 2023 and are likely to continue to grow over the next few years, and we now forecast losses at Moderna through 2025. However, platform costs are shrinking over time, and costs could begin to drop as more of the first wave of programs complete clinical studies and smaller studies are initiated for combination vaccines. We think the firm’s lead in mRNA technology and expanding evidence of efficacy across multiple therapeutic areas could support an economic moat if the firm stays on track to launch several new vaccines over the next few years.

Business Strategy and Outlook | Updated Dec 13, 2022
Moderna's mRNA technology has gained rapid validation as sales of its COVID-19 vaccine soared in 2021, but we think the firm has yet to secure a narrow economic moat around its business, largely due to uncertainties tied to an evolving virus and the changing competitive landscape for innovative vaccines.

In a record-breaking span of just 11 months, Moderna created, developed, manufactured, and got regulatory authorization for mRNA-1273, a two-dose COVID-19 vaccine that is one of the first two mRNA vaccines ever authorized (alongside Pfizer/BioNTech's BNT162b2). The pandemic accelerated Moderna's evolution into a commercial-stage biotech, and we expect that the firm's ramp-up in manufacturing and clinical know-how will pave the way for faster timelines for additional programs. Moderna's mRNA platform, involving rapid design and similar manufacturing across programs, allows the company to pursue multiple programs in parallel. Moderna also retains full rights to most of its programs, although partnerships with Merck and Vertex help support its efforts in oncology and cystic fibrosis.

Moderna reported $17.7 billion in COVID-19 vaccine sales in 2021, and we model nearly $19 billion in sales in 2022 as demand for first doses has declined but demand for boosters expands. We see potential for continued revenue in the mid-single-digit billions annually if higher-risk populations continue to receive annual vaccines beyond the pandemic, although there is high uncertainty around the number of long-term competitors (including new mRNA players) and pricing.

Moderna's most advanced program outside COVID-19 is for cytomegalovirus, a leading cause of birth defects, but several other vaccines are advancing into late-stage trials, including respiratory virus vaccines for RSV and influenza. We see each of these as more than $1 billion annual sales opportunities. Moderna is also pursuing a broad spectrum of other therapeutic indications, from cancer to cardiology to rare diseases, with an expanding early-stage development pipeline.

Fair Value and Profit Drivers | Updated Dec 13, 2022
We're raising our fair value estimate to $266 per share from $232 following positive phase 2 data for Merck and Moderna's personalized cancer vaccine, mRNA-4157. We have raised our assumed probability of approval to 50% from 20% and now assume Moderna could record $2 billion in sales from the program by 2031.

We think mRNA-1273, the firm's authorized COVID-19 vaccine, should generate $18.6 billion in sales in 2022, followed by roughly $6.9 billion in 2023 and $4 billion in annual sales beyond, due to recurring boosters in high-risk populations. We expect that Moderna could launch its next prophylactic vaccines for CMV (phase 3) and influenza (entered phase 3 in 2022) in 2024, followed by other potential launches (hMPV/PIV3, RSV) in 2025. We see 70% probabilities of approval for the firm's most advanced vaccine programs in CMV and flu, and 50% probabilities for hMPV/PIV3 and RSV. In oncology, beyond mRNA-4157, we assign a 10%-30% probabilities of approval to the firm's programs, including Moderna's KRAS program and intratumoral triplet. Overall, this results in more than $16 billion in total probability-adjusted annual revenue by 2031. We expect operating margins will easily surpass 40% by 2030 and model margins above 50%, even with continued strong investment in research and development. We assign Moderna an average level of systemic risk, resulting in a cost of equity (and weighted average cost of capital) of 9%, in line with its early commercial-stage biotech peers.
 
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And Schiff sells shiny metal. He is never not selling shiny metal.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say....
while I have plenty of Au....... and have never listened to goldbugs........ I was just responding to the general point of the need for US Commercial Bank (and now late-entry Money Market) Deposits to wring-out to closer to the pre-pandemic levels...

My concerns come much more from the David Kellys or Gita Gopinaths of the world...

in any event, I dca the shit out of OEF and QQQM...... I'm long in this market for life........ but to assume it's 'all up from here' is silly......
 
in any event, I dca the shit out of OEF and QQQM...... I'm long in this market for life........ but to assume it's 'all up from here' is silly......
It's fun to choose sides and bicker, but overall, we all probably do very similar things with the majority of our portfolios. Anyway, why OEF over VOO? Just curious.
 
It's fun to choose sides and bicker, but overall, we all probably do very similar things with the majority of our portfolios. Anyway, why OEF over VOO? Just curious.
I like the narrower window on sp100 (vs 500) during market uncertainty....
plus I'm superstitious and stay away from Vanguard..
 
I like the narrower window on sp100 (vs 500) during market uncertainty....
plus I'm superstitious and stay away from Vanguard..
Super concentrated. 41% of OEF is in its top ten holdings (101 companies in all):
Apple Inc10.49Jun 30, 2007790,877,273-2.3027.10UnlockUnlockTechnology
Microsoft Corp9.23Feb 28, 2002696,234,6921.6826.18UnlockUnlockTechnology
Amazon.com Inc3.91Jan 31, 2009294,587,741-34.1758.48UnlockUnlockConsumer Cyclical
NVIDIA Corp2.93Jun 19, 2018221,026,60719.2658.82UnlockUnlockTechnology
Alphabet Inc Class A2.75Aug 26, 2019207,503,049-17.2919.38UnlockUnlockCommunication Services
Berkshire Hathaway Inc Class B2.48Feb 18, 2010186,911,871-8.1421.37UnlockUnlockFinancial Services
Alphabet Inc Class C2.42Apr 03, 2014182,213,558-16.9619.46UnlockUnlockCommunication Services
Tesla Inc2.20Dec 18, 2020166,134,015-45.4546.30UnlockUnlockConsumer Cyclical
UnitedHealth Group Inc2.14Jan 31, 2008160,973,999-0.7820.92UnlockUnlockHealthcare
Meta Platforms Inc Class A2.09
 
I don’t get what is motivating him. It’s strange. Perhaps it’s like someone who yells “it’s 1 pm” all day. At one point he will be correct so he’ll take that opportunity to say “ see I was right all along!”

He's just a shit talker. Talk shit back to him. He can take it.
 
Super concentrated. 41% of OEF is in its top ten holdings (101 companies in all):
Apple Inc10.49Jun 30, 2007790,877,273-2.3027.10UnlockUnlockTechnology
Microsoft Corp9.23Feb 28, 2002696,234,6921.6826.18UnlockUnlockTechnology
Amazon.com Inc3.91Jan 31, 2009294,587,741-34.1758.48UnlockUnlockConsumer Cyclical
NVIDIA Corp2.93Jun 19, 2018221,026,60719.2658.82UnlockUnlockTechnology
Alphabet Inc Class A2.75Aug 26, 2019207,503,049-17.2919.38UnlockUnlockCommunication Services
Berkshire Hathaway Inc Class B2.48Feb 18, 2010186,911,871-8.1421.37UnlockUnlockFinancial Services
Alphabet Inc Class C2.42Apr 03, 2014182,213,558-16.9619.46UnlockUnlockCommunication Services
Tesla Inc2.20Dec 18, 2020166,134,015-45.4546.30UnlockUnlockConsumer Cyclical
UnitedHealth Group Inc2.14Jan 31, 2008160,973,999-0.7820.92UnlockUnlockHealthcare
Meta Platforms Inc Class A2.09
Actually, it's only 9 holdings if you combine the two Alphabet share classes.
 
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soon you’re going to get a gold bug coming out of the woodwork telling you he bot gold (large) in 2015 and has doubled his money… in hindsight of course.

See what I did there?
My eye doctor is buying as much silver as he can these days. We discussed for 20 minutes after my appointment was over lol. He brings his laptop and says “look…it’s all back ordered!” I’m like “TreasuryDirect is offering I bonds at a nice rate.” Lol
 
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Actually, it's only 9 holdings if you combine the two Alphabet share classes.
yup - the index is gonna be driven by those ~20 anyway... so why not focus...

the alternate (which I also like) - is equal weight S&P....

but, straight-up SP index is caught in the middle... jmo
 
My eye doctor is buying as much silver as he can these days. We discussed for 20 minutes after my appointment was over lol. He brings his laptop and says “look…it’s all back ordered!” I’m like “TreasuryDirect is offering I bonds at a nice rate.” Lol
silver..? lolz.......... the devil's metal for a reason............

premiums will eat you alive......
 
@Morrischiano - Follow-up to my post above. Morningstar super bullish on Moderna:

Moderna: Long-Term Guidance at Vaccines Day Represents Upside to Our $266 Fair Value

Analyst Note | Updated Apr 11, 2023
Moderna’s vaccine day provided more support for our belief in its ability to expand vaccine revenue beyond COVID-19, given the firm’s rapid pace of development and flexible manufacturing. We’re maintaining our $266 fair value estimate. Management offered a range for 2027 respiratory vaccine sales—including the COVID-19 vaccine and leading phase 3 programs in RSV and influenza—of $8 billion-$15 billion, which is above our own $7.7 billion estimate. While Moderna’s phase 3 efficacy study for flu vaccine mRNA-1010 did not show non-inferiority to approved flu vaccines at an interim look, we expect this was due to the small number of cases seen so far in the study and not an indicator that the vaccine is inferior. We still think the vaccine is positioned to launch in 2024, and we’re bullish on the firm’s pipeline of next-generation respiratory vaccines and combination vaccines, as well as advancing programs in other infectious diseases (including latent viruses like HIV and CMV), oncology, and rare diseases. Research and development costs are growing substantially in 2023 and are likely to continue to grow over the next few years, and we now forecast losses at Moderna through 2025. However, platform costs are shrinking over time, and costs could begin to drop as more of the first wave of programs complete clinical studies and smaller studies are initiated for combination vaccines. We think the firm’s lead in mRNA technology and expanding evidence of efficacy across multiple therapeutic areas could support an economic moat if the firm stays on track to launch several new vaccines over the next few years.

Business Strategy and Outlook | Updated Dec 13, 2022
Moderna's mRNA technology has gained rapid validation as sales of its COVID-19 vaccine soared in 2021, but we think the firm has yet to secure a narrow economic moat around its business, largely due to uncertainties tied to an evolving virus and the changing competitive landscape for innovative vaccines.

In a record-breaking span of just 11 months, Moderna created, developed, manufactured, and got regulatory authorization for mRNA-1273, a two-dose COVID-19 vaccine that is one of the first two mRNA vaccines ever authorized (alongside Pfizer/BioNTech's BNT162b2). The pandemic accelerated Moderna's evolution into a commercial-stage biotech, and we expect that the firm's ramp-up in manufacturing and clinical know-how will pave the way for faster timelines for additional programs. Moderna's mRNA platform, involving rapid design and similar manufacturing across programs, allows the company to pursue multiple programs in parallel. Moderna also retains full rights to most of its programs, although partnerships with Merck and Vertex help support its efforts in oncology and cystic fibrosis.

Moderna reported $17.7 billion in COVID-19 vaccine sales in 2021, and we model nearly $19 billion in sales in 2022 as demand for first doses has declined but demand for boosters expands. We see potential for continued revenue in the mid-single-digit billions annually if higher-risk populations continue to receive annual vaccines beyond the pandemic, although there is high uncertainty around the number of long-term competitors (including new mRNA players) and pricing.

Moderna's most advanced program outside COVID-19 is for cytomegalovirus, a leading cause of birth defects, but several other vaccines are advancing into late-stage trials, including respiratory virus vaccines for RSV and influenza. We see each of these as more than $1 billion annual sales opportunities. Moderna is also pursuing a broad spectrum of other therapeutic indications, from cancer to cardiology to rare diseases, with an expanding early-stage development pipeline.

Fair Value and Profit Drivers | Updated Dec 13, 2022
We're raising our fair value estimate to $266 per share from $232 following positive phase 2 data for Merck and Moderna's personalized cancer vaccine, mRNA-4157. We have raised our assumed probability of approval to 50% from 20% and now assume Moderna could record $2 billion in sales from the program by 2031.

We think mRNA-1273, the firm's authorized COVID-19 vaccine, should generate $18.6 billion in sales in 2022, followed by roughly $6.9 billion in 2023 and $4 billion in annual sales beyond, due to recurring boosters in high-risk populations. We expect that Moderna could launch its next prophylactic vaccines for CMV (phase 3) and influenza (entered phase 3 in 2022) in 2024, followed by other potential launches (hMPV/PIV3, RSV) in 2025. We see 70% probabilities of approval for the firm's most advanced vaccine programs in CMV and flu, and 50% probabilities for hMPV/PIV3 and RSV. In oncology, beyond mRNA-4157, we assign a 10%-30% probabilities of approval to the firm's programs, including Moderna's KRAS program and intratumoral triplet. Overall, this results in more than $16 billion in total probability-adjusted annual revenue by 2031. We expect operating margins will easily surpass 40% by 2030 and model margins above 50%, even with continued strong investment in research and development. We assign Moderna an average level of systemic risk, resulting in a cost of equity (and weighted average cost of capital) of 9%, in line with its early commercial-stage biotech peers.
Thanks for posting.

What’s your thoughts on inflation? Is it real?
 
Big banks crushing earnings.

Yesterday Bloomberg spent the morning talking about inflation going down without mentioning the big impact energy prices had on the number.

Today they are talking about how retail sales are down because of energy prices were down. The quality of Bloomberg's analysis has been terrible in recent years. They used to be great.
 
Fed Hawk Capitulation:

Exclusive-Fed can 'hit the mark and hold' with one more rate hike, Bostic says


ATLANTA (Reuters) - One more quarter-percentage-point interest rate hike can allow the Federal Reserve to end its tightening cycle with some confidence inflation will steadily return to the U.S. central bank's 2% target, Atlanta Fed President Raphael Bostic said.

Recent inflation data, including this week's reports of slowing consumer price increases and falling producer price inflation, "are consistent with us moving one more time," Bostic told Reuters in an interview on Thursday. "We've got a lot of momentum suggesting that we're on the path to 2%."
 
silver..? lolz.......... the devil's metal for a reason............

premiums will eat you alive......
You’re right. I was skeptical of the prices they were offering and any premiums but didn’t realize it was so much higher than gold. Outrageous. I guess he was impressed that the prices were being updated live at least so he didn’t seem concerned.
 
Big banks crushing earnings.

Yesterday Bloomberg spent the morning talking about inflation going down without mentioning the big impact energy prices had on the number.

Today they are talking about how retail sales are down because of energy prices were down. The quality of Bloomberg's analysis has been terrible in recent years. They used to be great.
+1
Looks like a clean sweep for today's bank earnings. Now with the Fed tightening looking more and more over, it's time to move on to the next bull rally (or at least prepping for it).
 
Another big earnings win for UnitedHealth:

Dow stock UnitedHealth (UNH) adjusted first-quarter EPS $6.26 versus $6.06 expected. Revenue $91.9 billion versus $89.4 billion expected. Guidance boosted to range of $24.50 per share to $25. Classic UNH beat and raise.

Bodes well for the entire sector.
 
Another big earnings win for UnitedHealth:

Dow stock UnitedHealth (UNH) adjusted first-quarter EPS $6.26 versus $6.06 expected. Revenue $91.9 billion versus $89.4 billion expected. Guidance boosted to range of $24.50 per share to $25. Classic UNH beat and raise.

Bodes well for the entire sector.
Glad I sold most of my UNH before the earnings. Normally I don’t like to keep the stock because it’s 50/50 in which direction it will go. Down 15 points today buying again. Nice 60 points gain from the low.
 
Glad I sold most of my UNH before the earnings. Normally I don’t like to keep the stock because it’s 50/50 in which direction it will go. Down 15 points today buying again. Nice 60 points gain from the low.
UNH is textbook buy and hold. Great company with outstanding leadership. #1 holding for my PRHSX (at 7.45%).
 
UNH is textbook buy and hold. Great company with outstanding leadership. #1 holding for my PRHSX (at 7.45%).
You know me, I’m a trader but I only trade quality stocks and if I have to hold more than a year to make a profit then I will. I agree it’s a great stock and is good for buy and hold.
 
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You know me, I’m a trader but I only trade quality stocks and if I have to hold more than a year to make a profit then I will. I agree it’s a great stock and is good for buy and hold.
I'm playing around with a little trading, but I'm buy and hold at my core. Regardless, a trade here and there is fun and I'm enjoying doing so with those leveraged ETFs. Still not a big individual stock guy.
 
Big banks crushing earnings.

Yesterday Bloomberg spent the morning talking about inflation going down without mentioning the big impact energy prices had on the number.

Today they are talking about how retail sales are down because of energy prices were down. The quality of Bloomberg's analysis has been terrible in recent years. They used to be great.
they do a fair job putting massive amounts of data and opinions into some context - but it requires you to watch on an on-going basis - and listen just as closely to what is NOT said - as much as what is actually said. It's helpful for trends.....

that said, the sure do over-play every little story - to make it today's headline... every little thing.. CPI TUESDAY!!!!!!!!!! Jobs Friday!!!!!!!!!! Citi Earnings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The print (e-print) articles have become horribly slanted... ESG-driven, pro-China, etc... They must be read carefully (if at all)...

I really like very specific shows (Surveillance, Real Rate) - but agree, others are crap at this point...
 
they do a fair job putting massive amounts of data and opinions into some context - but it requires you to watch on an on-going basis - and listen just as closely to what is NOT said - as much as what is actually said. It's helpful for trends.....

that said, the sure do over-play every little story - to make it today's headline... every little thing.. CPI TUESDAY!!!!!!!!!! Jobs Friday!!!!!!!!!! Citi Earnings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The print (e-print) articles have become horribly slanted... ESG-driven, pro-China, etc... They must be read carefully (if at all)...

I really like very specific shows (Surveillance, Real Rate) - but agree, others are crap at this point...
24/7 news means you need to sell news 24/7.

I appreciate the access to information, but not a great business model for the media!
 
they do a fair job putting massive amounts of data and opinions into some context - but it requires you to watch on an on-going basis - and listen just as closely to what is NOT said - as much as what is actually said. It's helpful for trends.....

that said, the sure do over-play every little story - to make it today's headline... every little thing.. CPI TUESDAY!!!!!!!!!! Jobs Friday!!!!!!!!!! Citi Earnings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The print (e-print) articles have become horribly slanted... ESG-driven, pro-China, etc... They must be read carefully (if at all)...

I really like very specific shows (Surveillance, Real Rate) - but agree, others are crap at this point...
Bloomberg News is a money losing pet project for Mike Bloomberg (I worked at Bloomberg Tradebook in 2008-10). They only cared about the fixed income markets at Bloomberg News back then and I still feel that they are way ahead of WSJ and CNBC in that coverage. Their news webpage went for clickbait money like 5 yrs ago and it is sad to see.
 
Bloomberg News is a money losing pet project for Mike Bloomberg (I worked at Bloomberg Tradebook in 2008-10). They only cared about the fixed income markets at Bloomberg News back then and I still feel that they are way ahead of WSJ and CNBC in that coverage. Their news webpage went for clickbait money like 5 yrs ago and it is sad to see.
I work at BBG and I they have been figuring out for years how to monetize news and our analyst arm. With AI evolution now this will happen in many ways and news being a primary source for data for the LLM
 
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I work at BBG and I they have been figuring out for years how to monetize news and our analyst arm. With AI evolution now this will happen in many ways and news being a primary source for data for the LLM
Do they still have a mandatory 10 hour work day policy? Are you guys back in the office 5 days a week?
 
I work at BBG and I they have been figuring out for years how to monetize news and our analyst arm. With AI evolution now this will happen in many ways and news being a primary source for data for the LLM
Skillman office?
 
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Big banks crushing earnings.

Yesterday Bloomberg spent the morning talking about inflation going down without mentioning the big impact energy prices had on the number.

Today they are talking about how retail sales are down because of energy prices were down. The quality of Bloomberg's analysis has been terrible in recent years. They used to be great.
Big banks likely made an insane amount of money because everyone moved money form SVB, First Republic, etc into the big banks. Everyone I know did that without hesitation. Let's see how the earnings of the regional banks and other companies especially Tesla.
 
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