OT: UNC Scandal "Judgment Day" is Friday the 13th
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And at that point they'll be in the midst of the college basketball season, so it will get pushed past the end of March Madness.
So I guess the idea is to keep delaying it until it's been so long that the NCAA just reduces the sentence to time served? :flush:
Wish we rallied like UNC. Gotta admire their ability to come together, fight, and win.
You can see why their athletics across the board are so successful. They know how to win in every way.
You can see why their athletics across the board are so successful. They know how to win in every way.
This is embarrassing.. where the hell is it? What is the delay?
here is what they are telling recruits:
https://www.dukebasketballreport.co...e-ncaa-dont-sweat-it-north-carolina-tar-heels
here is what they are telling recruits:
https://www.dukebasketballreport.co...e-ncaa-dont-sweat-it-north-carolina-tar-heels
eh.. You know Roy and UNC has been telling them that nothing will come of it. And the NCAA hasn't exactly been showing that he is wrong. I say let them xfer out freely.. that will punish the proper party.. and how about telling UNC to cancel the diplomas of all those taking those no-show classes (should any of them have graduated). Allow them to make up the credits at some point... for free.
Punishment will be so light to virtually nothing at all, there will be no need or desire for any player to transfer out.
NCAA Presidents that influence the NCAA COI just don't have the stomach to fight the well armed, lawyered up, big money programs.
It would be interesting to know how much money UNC has spent in defending themselves etc. Maybe they are getting some pro buono work from alumni/friends of the university. But surely this has to be in the seven or even 8 figure area. And now they are set to kickoff a billion dollar fund raising program. One would never see this kind of support at Rutgers and NJ.
And sadly it appears that the hypocrital NCAA appears to be afraid to put the hammer down or press the issue to resolvement. I am also sure the folks and legal minds at PSU are watching this closely because they will be seeking damages from the NCAA for its action to its athletic programs when the unfortunate Sandusky situation was an on campus crime but not something that was in violation that came under the NCAA preview of a competative advantage whereas UNC clearly involves eligibility and competative advantage. That's not to say or minimize the Sandusky crime but it comes under a different category which the legal system has and still needs to address.
Thinking SMU here would be more appropriate but it appears the NCAA is fretting here as UNC also appears to have more clout. Oddly SMU involved $$$ perks to athletes whereas UNC definitely involves academic fraud and keeping players eligible and while all of this is going on they continue to field teams and are eligible for championships by stalling thru the legal system....innocent until proven guilty. But if found to be guilty it will be interesting to see the NCAA ruling and results.
And the beat will go on because one can be certain a legal appeal will be made by UNC to again stall the process. It will also be interesting to see any decision by the "good old boys" of the ACC administration and presidents once the NCAA ruling long is made.
And sadly it appears that the hypocrital NCAA appears to be afraid to put the hammer down or press the issue to resolvement. I am also sure the folks and legal minds at PSU are watching this closely because they will be seeking damages from the NCAA for its action to its athletic programs when the unfortunate Sandusky situation was an on campus crime but not something that was in violation that came under the NCAA preview of a competative advantage whereas UNC clearly involves eligibility and competative advantage. That's not to say or minimize the Sandusky crime but it comes under a different category which the legal system has and still needs to address.
Thinking SMU here would be more appropriate but it appears the NCAA is fretting here as UNC also appears to have more clout. Oddly SMU involved $$$ perks to athletes whereas UNC definitely involves academic fraud and keeping players eligible and while all of this is going on they continue to field teams and are eligible for championships by stalling thru the legal system....innocent until proven guilty. But if found to be guilty it will be interesting to see the NCAA ruling and results.
And the beat will go on because one can be certain a legal appeal will be made by UNC to again stall the process. It will also be interesting to see any decision by the "good old boys" of the ACC administration and presidents once the NCAA ruling long is made.
That's inappropriate. I'm sure you'd say the same thing about New Jersey's Jay (Jason) Williams.. but he turned down the money to go to Duke (Rutgers was 2nd iirc.. usual for the time.. and we might be rising back to that 2nd choice level now.. thanks Pike.. vast improvement over not even being considered)
For the NCAA to formally announce a date to reveal the penalty phase of the UNC violations investigation, and not have all its "t's" crossed and the "i's" dotted, has made the NCAA look incompetent, again. UNC called the NCAA out on their incompetence and the NCAA put its tail between its legs, and cowered off delaying their decision. It will be a week tomorrow that the NCAA formal announcement was originally to take place...why the silence, and long delay? Is the NCAA waiting for UNC to dictate the next move, or vice versa?
Or it could be that the NCAA is helping UNC by being purposefully incompetent here. The NCAA is run by human beings that can be corrupted in any number of ways. The people who sit on these boards, of course, have direct ties to university athletics programs and/or conferences. They could all do eachother favors in any number of ways. How would the public know if that was what was going on? This could all be back-scratching at the highest levels.
This could be a case of "Well, UNC, we cannot just ignore this.. its public knowledge.. but we can screw it all up and do nothing.. how about you play games at these smaller schools (who sit on the boards involved) and the next time these other schools need a vote to get off the bubble in the NCAA tourney you trade favors to help them out and then these other guys.. cash payments and college hookers will do... we have a deal?"
LOL. It's like the criminal telling law enforcement what to do.
Sheriff: You are under arrest and will have to go to jail.
Criminal: No I am not.
Sheriff: Yes you are.
Criminal: I don't really have time for this right now. I have to count all of my money from years of robbing banks.
Sheriff: How about next week?
Criminal: I'll get back to you on that. Talk to you later.
Sheriff: OK. Sounds good.
A little bit off the sports side of it but I have been wondering, if UNC is saying this "fake" class was offered to both Athletes and non-athletes and thus, not an NCAA matter, do the credits earned for this class get removed from everyone's transcripts? Could this possible create havoc with 20 years of students that used these credits for their degree? I'm not sure how it all would work but I was curious...
Since college athletics have become such a big money industry the NCAA is handcuffed even in the most egregious situations. I see the courses my son took in college and I see the courses my daughter is taking in college. Both kids basically ate, slept, attended class and studied every day. On the weekends they prepared for exams. Why do people on this board and the NCAA pretend that a kid from an inner city, with a 6th grade reading level and a 7th grade math level recruited to play for a prestigious university like UNC as a true student athlete is anything more than a semi-pro athlete? Someone please tell me how the NCAA believes that the UNC or Louisville incident is unique in nature to other universities. Didn’t Mike Krzyewski personally ask the BOT to relax the admission standards, didn’t he say verbatim “unless we relax the admission standards we will not be able to compete”. So I beg the question, why is the NCAA making a big deal about a school who created a phony curriculum for athletes who were never going to make it past their freshman year?
Finally?!?
http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/ap-sources-ncaa-release-ruling-unc-case-friday
The NCAA infractions committee panel handling North Carolina's multi-year academic case plans to release its ruling Friday, three people with knowledge of the investigation said.
The people said the NCAA notified parties involved in the case Thursday morning. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because neither the school nor the NCAA have commented publicly on the release.
http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/ap-sources-ncaa-release-ruling-unc-case-friday
The NCAA infractions committee panel handling North Carolina's multi-year academic case plans to release its ruling Friday, three people with knowledge of the investigation said.
The people said the NCAA notified parties involved in the case Thursday morning. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because neither the school nor the NCAA have commented publicly on the release.
the School gets 48 hour notice by the NCAA that findings will be released in that time period,and a guideline what the results are going to be. They are not allowed to release any info or details to the public.
Then again its UNC,they dont follow any rules...
Then again its UNC,they dont follow any rules...
UNC will most definitely argue that the NCAA is out of bounds in this matter. They already claim that the original estimate of the classes being "attended" were 50% athletes is wrong. The fact that these classes were not exclusive to athletes was why it should be not used against them. I would really like to know if the non-athletes were on some kind of scholarships for minorities and these courses were used to keep them academically qualified. If so, this could possibly open up a can of worms from a totally different area.
All said, I will be absolutely stunned if anything even close to profound hits UNC.
All said, I will be absolutely stunned if anything even close to profound hits UNC.
It gets down to two key questions: who originated the fake class scam and when?
The AFAM scam originated under Dean Smith, and 23 of the first 25 fake class students were his MBB players. Proof is in the transcripts.
UNC, should they challenge the NCAA in court, would be opening up a Pandora's Box in discovery, openly undermining the legacy of Smith. So it seems unlikely UNC would do this.
Further, Ken Wainstein revealed that the fake class scam involved other departments beyond AFAM and went beyond the years he was asked to review. He offered to expand his review for free. UNC said, "No thanks."
WRAL sports reporter tweeted: "The COI release will be at noon tomorrow. Then Committee will have conference call at 1pm. #UNC expected to respond after that."
Universities are institutions of learning first, and foremost, therefore past history tells us a student that cannot read above a six, or seventh grade level will not do well in college, period. Further, relaxing admission standards for student athletes is one thing, but in this case the admitted student athlete/subject school has a responsibility for the following: First, an admitted student athlete has the responsibility to attend all his, or her classes and attain a certain grade point average, or suffer the consequences. Second, a school should have the academic integrity not to offer fake classes, hand out fraudulent grades, ignore plagiarism, and not have secretaries grade papers, and hand out semester grades for said fake classes, in order to keep student athletes eligible for competition. UNC academically failed on all accounts, that should spell it out for you.
This is far less serious than PSU. Far less. And they got a slap on the wrist.
We already know that most of the athletes at schools like this are not actual students anything.
We already know that most of the athletes at schools like this are not actual students anything.
For some reason I don't think most of the kids in Big Time programs are going to class. I believe that there are work around situations but there is no way these kids are attending classes and passing. I hope I'm wrong.
So how long before other schools openly offer no-show classes, majors and degrees to everyone so that it can be claimed it's not an NCAA matter and instead just a choice a student makes ?
31...'going to class' isn't a meaningful indicator, nor is the APR metric so many have lauded here. Academic rigor is what matters when considering whether the student athletes are learning anything.
I think it was Jim Harrick Jr who taught an basketball class at UGa and had questions like "how many points is a foul shot worth" om exams. So I ask you...does going to that class suggest it's legit ?
And as for APR...it just means "progress toward degree"...which in bogus classes and eligibility saving majors again is not an indicator of educational success by the athletes.
31...'going to class' isn't a meaningful indicator, nor is the APR metric so many have lauded here. Academic rigor is what matters when considering whether the student athletes are learning anything.
I think it was Jim Harrick Jr who taught an basketball class at UGa and had questions like "how many points is a foul shot worth" om exams. So I ask you...does going to that class suggest it's legit ?
And as for APR...it just means "progress toward degree"...which in bogus classes and eligibility saving majors again is not an indicator of educational success by the athletes.
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The question is did UNC actually give a degree to these kids or some sort of attendance certificate.
UNC hot take is that as far as they are concern these were just extremely easy classes rather than cheating.
Of course that is bullcrap. These were way more than just easy classes.
Of course that is bullcrap. These were way more than just easy classes.
The student-athlete who took these fake classes were given a real GRADE, typically an "A" or "B," which had multiple consequences. First, the student-athlete's GPA was boosted, artificially, enabling that S-A's academic eligibilty. Case in point: Rashad McCants who went from academic probation to making the Dean's List, after receiving four As in four fake classes during the spring 2005 semester, never attending a single class or doing any work whatsoever. UNC MBB won an NCAA championship that semester. Second, the S-A was relieved of the burden of attending a real class, of studying, of performing, of learning. Third, these S-As were directed to take these fake classes by athletic program staff. Fourth, academic staff and admin staff were complicit in the fake class scam. Fifth, the institution benefitted monetarily as a result of victories, championships, and APR achievement related to these fake classes, as did staff in the form of bonuses. Sixth, many S-As did receive a degree from UNC, a degree made possible as a result of these fake classes. Seventh, the accreditation agency for the southeast did place UNC on a one-year probation as a result of these fake classes.
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Pure conjecture on your part, I assume, unless you know that this is the norm at PSU?
It's not conjecture. Roughly 7 years ago LSU stiffened up their admission standards just a skosh to try and clean up the program a little bit. At the time a superstar RB named Eddie Lacy was recruited by LSU but he did not qualify academically so Nick Saban & Alabama stepped in and recruited him. Eddie Lacy has been heard bragging that never attended a class. One more Dwayne Jarrett never attended a class at USC. In college basketball these instances are exponentially worse.
This just in.
Trump's harsh tweets re.: No. Korea, have Kim Jong Ill (he's sic- yep another pun) looking for alternative venues.
UNC, University of No Classes....but Secretly University of NORTH COREA. (what did you expect, their staff graduated from the Courses Without Content Division) may name Kim as Provost / Dean of Men for Life as long as Rodman's relatives are on the recruiting table.
MO[sick]
Trump's harsh tweets re.: No. Korea, have Kim Jong Ill (he's sic- yep another pun) looking for alternative venues.
UNC, University of No Classes....but Secretly University of NORTH COREA. (what did you expect, their staff graduated from the Courses Without Content Division) may name Kim as Provost / Dean of Men for Life as long as Rodman's relatives are on the recruiting table.
MO[sick]
Do you have proof of either player never attending classes, or just spreading rumors you heard.
The most idiotic statement known to mankind is "did they ever attend classes". What exactly does that mean? Attending class is a very small component of getting a passing grade!! It's the endless hours dedicated to studying, researching data etc. etc. etc. If you guys really think Eddie Lacy and Dwayne Jarrett were spending endless hours in the library studying the Periodic Table or applying logarithm Functions to a theory your fools. If this was the case why did UNC set up fake classes? Why did SMU pay players? Why did Louisville hire prostitutes and pay players? They're all jockeying for a chance at landing these studs. Oh yeah, I could hear Pete Carroll and Nick Saban tell Eddie and Dwayne "Listen men don't attend class and you don't play on Saturday". Put the pipe down and grow up! COLLEGE ATHLETICS IS A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY and UNIVERSITIES WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO WIN.
So you can't back up saying this: "Eddie Lacy has been heard bragging that never attended a class. One more Dwayne Jarrett never attended a class at USC" and trying to weasel your way out of doing what I asked or admitting you were just spreading a rumor you heard.
Glad you are admitting Paterno and the Penn St administration covered up for Sandusky because: "COLLEGE ATHLETICS IS A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY and UNIVERSITIES WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO WIN."
But don't be spreading rumors about Lacey and Jarrett never attended a class
at Bama and USC. Your angry reply to my calling you on your lie proves you can't back up what you claimed by changing it to "Attending class is a very small component of getting a passing grade!! " and adding other elements it takes to earn a degree.
Enough with the BS about other aspects involved and prove what you said.
>The most idiotic statement known to mankind is "did they ever attend classes" ?< Not true: the most idiotic statement is claiming they didn't attend classes without being able to prove they didn't ,when asked .:chairshot:
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