And Jonathan Lewis once had 4 rushing touchdowns in a single game in 2017.
More than Gavin’s 3 rushing TD’s in one game in 2023.
Says almost nothing about either player’s overall QB ability.
OT: Wimsatt in the portal
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And Jonathan Lewis once had 4 rushing touchdowns in a single game in 2017.
More than Gavin’s 3 rushing TD’s in one game in 2023.
Says almost nothing about either player’s overall QB ability.
The hype train derailed quickly for JL, who was a fine young man, but not a great college QB. He was smart to switch positions.
He is still pro-RU and a proud alumnus! His college football career ended at South Dakota, but his X posts indicate he is looking to play oversees. Never give up on your dreams.
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Funny that Tom Sr. was mad that Schiano would not allow Tom to transfer to certain schools & the reason was because Tom Sr. was illegally, directly, contacting schools DURING THE SEASON, & the coaches who were contacted reached out & told Schiano about the illegal contact to protect themselves from a NCAA investigation of tampering. The old man did the same thing with his older son while the son played for WisconsinTrue and true.
RU's post Louisville rise to quality seasons ended with the 2010 sacrifice of Savage (best RU QB recruit by far) to a very inferior OL that set D1 sacks allowed record in 2010. Concussions, elbows, knees etc the kid was a piñata and his parents were freaking out (2010 was peak concussion hysteria). I remember games where it was obvious Savage was fuzzy in the head. 2010 was as bad a season as any CFB team I ever saw.
Nova got better after Fridge his senior year. Fridge said the problem was Nova having overconfidence in his arm when the game was tight - he tried too hard to make things happen. Of course that was obvious for the prior three years and I don't know why it took so long to smooth out the panic play
Tom Savage’s dad decries Rutgers ‘dictator’, will appeal decision to limit transfer options
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Over the weekend, former Rutgers quarterback Tom Savage told the Newark Star-Ledger that he would likely hold off on making a decision on where he will transfer to until the spring.www.nbcsports.com
I should add that his lack of success at Kentucky is also evidence that our personnel was not the problem. He just hasn't developed the way everyone thought he would. It's a shame, but that happens.
In the end, the coaches can only do so much, and it is up to the player himself. Diego Pavia comes to mind. EJ Warner at Temple also comes to mind. Some QBs make plays even with a bad OL and receivers. But they are rare.
I can't believe you compare 4 TDs in a 65-0 blowout of Morgan St to leading the B1G and setting RU records over a season - including playing the NC titlist
I tried to highlight that GW was a lanky player and they are known to develop slower and need knowledgeable development.
Some baseball player shine with fastballs where others throw curves, sliders, sinkers etc.
GW was a long ball thrower on a team that wouldn't/couldn't do that (GS said OL not up to it).
GW wasn't built for shorts passed to short players 5 yds upfield.
Some DL/OL cant bench much because they have long arms - that doesn't mean they are weak.
Most position coaches are drill guys who also do some tactical stuff.
KC was a DB - until he got hurt - at powerhouse Juniata College.
He's an offensive X/O guy and not a QB technique maven (who are his big QBs in NFL, All B1G etc?).
If RU is always going to be getting QB leftovers then it needs real QB coaches - being hardest position and all
BE PATIENT WITH TALL YOUNG ATHLETES
" However, it is pretty common to see at young ages, when you have a tall athlete (or many tall athletes) in a team, that that kid is not as coordinated, as agile, as skilled or as athletic as that other kid who is not that tall. That shorter kid, at young ages will excel better than the tall ones. But, if adults (parents and coaches) and the (tall) athlete are patient and keep working hard, that story will change soon in the future..."
BE PATIENT WITH TALL YOUNG ATHLETES
Before starting a discussion on this, that could potentially be controversial, let me give you the whole picture. One of the things that I love about this country is the sport culture and how families are willing to invest/support their children to develop in sports. No matter how athletic or talent
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He is what he is at this point. His accuracy isn't gonna be any better in a lesser conference so gotta go to a run heavy option offense. I was also a GT grad student in the Paul Johnson triple option years and he would've been awesome there. They only threw like 10 times a game but it was fun as hell to see like 4 guys rip off massive run after massive run and then sprinkle in some bombs to Demaryius Thomas.
Impossible to say with any certainty, but if people who say he sucks as a QB are correct, then he has very little chance of making it to the NFL or even the CFL. So entering the portal is probably the only way for him to monetize whatever capabilities he has. Not really sure why it would be bad advice to tell him to do just that.
BTW, I think the actual Mencken quote is: "The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve. This is true even of the pious brethren who carry the gospel to foreign parts."I tried to highlight that GW was a lanky player and they are known to develop slower and need knowledgeable development.
Some baseball player shine with fastballs where others throw curves, sliders, sinkers etc.
GW was a long ball thrower on a team that wouldn't/couldn't do that (GS said OL not up to it).
GW wasn't built for shorts passed to short players 5 yds upfield.
Some DL/OL cant bench much because they have long arms - that doesn't mean they are weak.
Most position coaches are drill guys who also do some tactical stuff.
KC was a DB - until he got hurt - at powerhouse Juniata College.
He's an offensive X/O guy and not a QB technique maven (who are his big QBs in NFL, All B1G etc?).
If RU is always going to be getting QB leftovers then it needs real QB coaches - being hardest position and all
BE PATIENT WITH TALL YOUNG ATHLETES
" However, it is pretty common to see at young ages, when you have a tall athlete (or many tall athletes) in a team, that that kid is not as coordinated, as agile, as skilled or as athletic as that other kid who is not that tall. That shorter kid, at young ages will excel better than the tall ones. But, if adults (parents and coaches) and the (tall) athlete are patient and keep working hard, that story will change soon in the future..."
BE PATIENT WITH TALL YOUNG ATHLETES
Before starting a discussion on this, that could potentially be controversial, let me give you the whole picture. One of the things that I love about this country is the sport culture and how families are willing to invest/support their children to develop in sports. No matter how athletic or talent
Seems to have truth to it these days.
To add, he was head and shoulders above in athletic talent per someone who was on the team at the time. He had difficulty processing what was going on in front of him and unfortunately had horrible accuracy. That being said, best wishes to him wherever he lands.
My understanding is that his rushing plays here were designed runs: that he cannot run the RPO option because he's not skilled enough at knowing which option to choose. It seems to me that would be a huge obstacle to his success in any option system.
Not to beat a dead horse but the kid couldn’t hit the broad side of barn! That is the bottom line
Well technically it was only a 43 yard pass so credit a fast receiver for the other 40 yards 😁
I always thought this also, he is not a QB…..people saying he had horrible receivers seem to miss how many 5-10 yard passes sailed over the receiver’s head.
The is no way Mike Teel would say anything disparaging in public. Private is another story….
He could have just stayed quiet but he saw a guy who was winning games and that matters most. He had 4 games with 2 running TDs each (often in red zone) and he wasn't a fumbler or high turnova (sic) risk. The player had lopsided skills but he had skills. He wasn't a "Pro-Set" QB even though 96% of posts about him are oblivious to that. GW's high rating was as a Dual Threat QB. Rivals keeps track of two separate QB ratings. AK and GW were on different skill list (where run/pass skills diverge)
AK was #17 on Pro Style ranking for 2021 - Ewers was #1
GW was #10 for Dual Threat in 2021 - Caleb Williams was #1,
Alas as Teel remarked GW had three different OCs - none expert QB coaches no matter the hype.
GS also admitted it was wrong to have GW miss his senior year of HS.
I know GW had accuracy issues but RU offenses made them worse and not better.
I never saw an RU player hated so much and blamed for everything
RU shouldn't even recruit DT QBs but I know desperation was involved.
I always say RU would have jacked-up Caleb Williams
Gary Nova had 3 OCs. Compare and contrast with GW.He could have just stayed quiet but he saw a guy who was winning games and that matters most. He had 4 games with 2 running TDs each (often in red zone) and he wasn't a fumbler or high turnova (sic) risk. The player had lopsided skills but he had skills. He wasn't a "Pro-Set" QB even though 96% of posts about him are oblivious to that. GW's high rating was as a Dual Threat QB. Rivals keeps track of two separate QB ratings. AK and GW were on different skill list (where run/pass skills diverge)
AK was #17 on Pro Style ranking for 2021 - Ewers was #1
GW was #10 for Dual Threat in 2021 - Caleb Williams was #1,
Alas as Teel remarked GW had three different OCs - none expert QB coaches no matter the hype.
GS also admitted it was wrong to have GW miss his senior year of HS.
I know GW had accuracy issues but RU offenses made them worse and not better.
I never saw an RU player hated so much and blamed for everything
RU shouldn't even recruit DT QBs but I know desperation was involved.
I always say RU would have jacked-up Caleb Williams
I dont have any hatred for him (I actually think he is a great person), he just was not a good quarterback. He had I believe 3 pick 6s last year that turned the game around. Why do you think he is leaving Kentucky his home town team?He could have just stayed quiet but he saw a guy who was winning games and that matters most. He had 4 games with 2 running TDs each (often in red zone) and he wasn't a fumbler or high turnova (sic) risk. The player had lopsided skills but he had skills. He wasn't a "Pro-Set" QB even though 96% of posts about him are oblivious to that. GW's high rating was as a Dual Threat QB. Rivals keeps track of two separate QB ratings. AK and GW were on different skill list (where run/pass skills diverge)
AK was #17 on Pro Style ranking for 2021 - Ewers was #1
GW was #10 for Dual Threat in 2021 - Caleb Williams was #1,
Alas as Teel remarked GW had three different OCs - none expert QB coaches no matter the hype.
GS also admitted it was wrong to have GW miss his senior year of HS.
I know GW had accuracy issues but RU offenses made them worse and not better.
I never saw an RU player hated so much and blamed for everything
RU shouldn't even recruit DT QBs but I know desperation was involved.
I always say RU would have jacked-up Caleb Williams
He could have just stayed quiet but he saw a guy who was winning games and that matters most. He had 4 games with 2 running TDs each (often in red zone) and he wasn't a fumbler or high turnova (sic) risk. The player had lopsided skills but he had skills. He wasn't a "Pro-Set" QB even though 96% of posts about him are oblivious to that. GW's high rating was as a Dual Threat QB. Rivals keeps track of two separate QB ratings. AK and GW were on different skill list (where run/pass skills diverge)
AK was #17 on Pro Style ranking for 2021 - Ewers was #1
GW was #10 for Dual Threat in 2021 - Caleb Williams was #1,
Alas as Teel remarked GW had three different OCs - none expert QB coaches no matter the hype.
GS also admitted it was wrong to have GW miss his senior year of HS.
I know GW had accuracy issues but RU offenses made them worse and not better.
I never saw an RU player hated so much and blamed for everything
RU shouldn't even recruit DT QBs but I know desperation was involved.
I always say RU would have jacked-up Caleb Williams
It’s just that you keep propping him up to be more than what he was. He had one really great game against a poor defensive team in Indiana. Good for him and credit him for dominating that game.
There was nothing good about his performance in any of the other 3 games where he scored 2 TDs. He threw for 38% in a blow out loss to Maryland and your highlighting 2 one yard garbage time TDs as something noteworthy. Do you not see how ridiculous this sounds? Another game he threw for 2 TDs in was against Wagner, a glorified HS team.
There are many HS QBs that have a lot of talent, not all are able to harness their talent and become good College QBs..
Art Sitkowski comes to mind as one Rutgers fans expected greatness from , only to be disapointed before he left for Illinois and never was able to become a good College QB , but was knowledgeable enough to scecure a position on the coaching staff there after he graduated He was assistant quarterbacks coach in 2024. Sitkowski served as a student assistant in 2023 following five seasons playing college football.
Sitkowski threw for 2,838 yards and 14 touchdowns during his career.
Wimsatt might not wind up as a coach like Sit did , but Gavin still has time to be a sucess as a QB and I feel his best chance to do that is at he FCS level
He coudn't keep the RU starting position he was given and didn't win the Kentucky starter's spot after transfeing there .
Dropping down a level might be what he needs to do and might find sucess like some other FBS QBs did when they went to a FCS program
Art Sitkowski comes to mind as one Rutgers fans expected greatness from , only to be disapointed before he left for Illinois and never was able to become a good College QB , but was knowledgeable enough to scecure a position on the coaching staff there after he graduated He was assistant quarterbacks coach in 2024. Sitkowski served as a student assistant in 2023 following five seasons playing college football.
Sitkowski threw for 2,838 yards and 14 touchdowns during his career.
Wimsatt might not wind up as a coach like Sit did , but Gavin still has time to be a sucess as a QB and I feel his best chance to do that is at he FCS level
He coudn't keep the RU starting position he was given and didn't win the Kentucky starter's spot after transfeing there .
Dropping down a level might be what he needs to do and might find sucess like some other FBS QBs did when they went to a FCS program
worst QB I've ever seen here, very glad he's gone from the team as it makes us better
by all accounts, superb teammate and good student and wish him nothing but the best.
the fact that we've got 3 pages on a guy that couldn't hit water falling out of a boat is beyond sad for this board
by all accounts, superb teammate and good student and wish him nothing but the best.
the fact that we've got 3 pages on a guy that couldn't hit water falling out of a boat is beyond sad for this board
more unsolicited advice for Gavin Wimsatt... get some special training on footspeed. While you need a shorter throwing motion and quicker release, quick feet will allow you get those feet into proper position.. make you more elusive moving around the pocket.. allow for better play fakes because you can stand there while you make a read and D won't see you hedging to get room. You are fast once you get going.. you just need to get going faster. And if you have quicker feet, you can more easily change position if need be.
Only Ohio St QB had a better game vs Michigan.
This is what I mean - its like being in Salem and Wimsatt is a witch to a lot of people
"IF" he ever plays again it will be only because of an NIL deal. Kid cares more about $ then where he plays. Probably pressure from a family standpoint. Don't know the story about the family but it seems he left HS a year earlier there was a family issue.
The hype train derailed quickly for JL, who was a fine young man, but not a great college QB. He was smart to switch positions.
He is still pro-RU and a proud alumnus! His college football career ended at South Dakota, but his X posts indicate he is looking to play oversees. Never give up on your dreams.
Johnathan Lewis Career Stats - NCAAF - ESPN
Complete career NCAAF stats for South Dakota Coyotes Quarterback Johnathan Lewis on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.www.espn.com
Johnathan Lewis' path to becoming an elite QB has a long history
St. Peter’s Prep junior Johnathan Lewis has worked a long time to become an elite quarterback.rutgers.rivals.com
Rutgers football: Johnathan Lewis was NJ's top QB. Now, he might be a tight end
Rutgers sophomore Johnathan Lewis was once New Jersey's top quarterback recruit. Now, the Scarlet Knights are experimenting with him at tight endwww.app.com
He was always a team player & mover around to different positions when asked
He actually played in Germany this year
I submit that Mike McMahon was the best QB recruit Rutgers had. And a 4.55 40 at the NFL combine that allowed him to avoid the physical abuse Savage took with a weaker OL than Savage had .
Kid had no chance of NFL. Obvious to anyone immediately. Get your money and invest
Only Ohio St QB had a better game vs Michigan.
This is what I mean - its like being in Salem and Wimsatt is a witch to a lot of people
I don’t know what to tell you Ashokan. Michigan shut everyone down last year. A couple of Gavin’s 50/50 balls happened to be caught in that game so his numbers grade out better than others but none were good. He only completed 11 passes in that game so if that’s what your selling him on - you ought to go back to the drawing board. Overall on the season, his metrics in most categories graded out dead last amongst FBS QBs. It wasn’t due to a few outlier games. The outliers were the few games where he performed well.
He will continue to push some sort of narrative that Gavin had potential and RU mishandled him, if that is even his narrative. It's really not clear what his point is. Guess what happened in Kentucky and GW entering the portal is RU's fault too.
he was and it's not even close
in addition to that, he had something few kids have today which is integrity
If we had him last year, we not only upset OSU but we probably beat Michigan as well
which is why Greg sucks as a head coach as he can't manage the most important position on the team. He also lost the best QB commit we've had since Savage imho.
