Pac12 dissolution discussion

[RUTGERS95]

That most certainly add a new market as does UNC. Uva would be the bridge between the two. This isn't a debate. The B1G has already studied this. They and Unc, outside of ND, are the two biggest targets out there.

they do not

again, show me the value of what they bring. you think richmond is desired?

uva is a fan discussion, not a BIG discussion. the mere inclusion of UVA in this entire discussion is borderline retarded. Each new school needs to bring in 75mm plus.

oh the BIG studied this? lol UVA is not even on the lips much between the ears of the BIG after the last go round. I told you all, contiguous states mean zero after RU and MD as it's now a money game

UVA and UNC are the two biggest targest? lol

you simply have zero idea what you're taking about here

 

[kupuna133]

I would imagine Texas has a pretty high priced team of lawyers, and they couldn’t find a weakness in the B12’s GOR to get out early.

I agree. The fact that no one has figured out or tested the validity lends me to believe that this contract has too many variables that don’t make it worth the squeeze to unbundle it all. I didn’t always have this opinion until Texas and Oklahoma modified their start date in the SEC.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Clemson booster buddy filled me in, like you I initally thought it was a super majority but there's some weird law in NC apparently making the ACC a non profit

Clemson Football: Could ACC schools pull a Mountain West?

Could Clemson Football and other schools break away from the ACC to form a new conference? All ideas are open for schools dissatisfied with the status quo.

rubbingtherock.com

I don’t know that I trust the kind of source. That’s just a blog’s guesswork. I’ll still stick with my impression that it would take at least a supermajority and more likely unanimity.

 

[airspace]

If there was a merger between the ACC and PAC. Would that open up the agreement for parties to be a ble to leave?

And right now the PAC is looking at a deal (what is being reported) where 80% of their content would be streaming.

 

[krup]

The biggest factor I still see people ignoring in this discussion is ESPN. Bob Iger took over Disney again and on his first day he publicly said ESPN can’t be spending what they have been for sports rights, they need to be more selective.

To me, that removes the SEC as a player in breaking up the ACC, because the SEC can’t do anything without ESPN, and ESPN loves the deal they have on the ACC contract.

So, the only option is the B1G breaking up the ACC by getting themselves mixed up in this, and to do so they have to piss off ESPN as well as ND, who wants the ACC to continue for now.

I don’t see it.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I don’t know that I trust the kind of source. That’s just a blog’s guesswork. I’ll still stick with my impression that it would take at least a supermajority and more likely unanimity.

There are others out there, I'm on my phone and literally just posted the first one that popped up

 

[Caliknight]

they do not

again, show me the value of what they bring. you think richmond is desired?

uva is a fan discussion, not a BIG discussion. the mere inclusion of UVA in this entire discussion is borderline retarded. Each new school needs to bring in 75mm plus.

oh the BIG studied this? lol UVA is not even on the lips much between the ears of the BIG after the last go round. I told you all, contiguous states mean zero after RU and MD as it's now a money game

UVA and UNC are the two biggest targest? lol

you simply have zero idea what you're taking about here

Talk to the B1G. That's where I heard it.

Richmond doesn't fit the B1G profile in any way though.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

The biggest factor I still see people ignoring in this discussion is ESPN. Bob Iger took over Disney again and on his first day he publicly said ESPN can’t be spending what they have been for sports rights, they need to be more selective.

To me, that removes the SEC as a player in breaking up the ACC, because the SEC can’t do anything without ESPN, and ESPN loves the deal they have on the ACC contract.

So, the only option is the B1G breaking up the ACC by getting themselves mixed up in this, and to do so they have to piss off ESPN as well as ND, who wants the ACC to continue for now.

I don’t see it.

Bingo
ESPN holds a lot of the cards

 

[airspace]

The biggest factor I still see people ignoring in this discussion is ESPN. Bob Iger took over Disney again and on his first day he publicly said ESPN can’t be spending what they have been for sports rights, they need to be more selective.

To me, that removes the SEC as a player in breaking up the ACC, because the SEC can’t do anything without ESPN, and ESPN loves the deal they have on the ACC contract.

So, the only option is the B1G breaking up the ACC by getting themselves mixed up in this, and to do so they have to piss off ESPN as well as ND, who wants the ACC to continue for now.

I don’t see it.

Krup, to just piss off ESPN and ND might be worth it.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Talk to the B1G. That's who I heard it from.

I've heard similar Cali
Though from what I've gathered, UVA has been pretty laizez-faire on their end for some reason

 

[RUTGERS95]

The biggest factor I still see people ignoring in this discussion is ESPN. Bob Iger took over Disney again and on his first day he publicly said ESPN can’t be spending what they have been for sports rights, they need to be more selective.

To me, that removes the SEC as a player in breaking up the ACC, because the SEC can’t do anything without ESPN, and ESPN loves the deal they have on the ACC contract.

So, the only option is the B1G breaking up the ACC by getting themselves mixed up in this, and to do so they have to piss off ESPN as well as ND, who wants the ACC to continue for now.

I don’t see it.

espn is keeping powder for sec

sec is regional in scope, not national

some of the people in this thread need to think before posting. in the sec, overlaying mkts doesn't matter per their sound bites

 

[airspace]

From what I read on the Virginia boards, they prefer where they are. If push came to shove, they would be ok going to the Big 10 or independent. They don't seem all that concerned one way or another.

 

[krup]

Krup, to just piss off ESPN and ND might be worth it.

To many people in the B1G still have a dream of getting ND to join. They aren’t going to do something that kills that dream.

 

[Caliknight]

I've heard similar Cali
Though from what I've gathered, UVA has been pretty laizez-faire on their end for some reason

If Unc leads the effort, Uva will fall in line. They won't have any other viable options at that point.

The longer this all goes on with B1G teams pulling ahead, the less they will be able to say no.

Don't forget basektball is a huge part of the acc historically. And that is clearly waning.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Talk to the B1G. That's where I heard it.

Richmond doesn't fit the B1G profile in any way though.

you really want to go down this road again and with me? I can pretty much guarantee your 'supposed BIG' source is nothing akin to mine. At least mine has 2 go rounds and the ACC (few posters here still remember the ass kicking including the former owner ) of ON POINT validations when questioning my BIG knowledge. If they have any self respect, they'll chime in here but I doubt it. Just to name 3, I said NU, MD and no ACC before anyone had a clue or idea. That's not the point, the point is;

you don't have a fking clue what you are talking about. just sit down and stop spreading stupid nonsense

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

If Unc leads the effort, Uva will fall in line. They won't have any other viable options at that point.

The longer this all goes on with B1G teams pulling ahead, the less they will be able to say no.

Don't forget basektball is a huge part of the acc historically. And that is clearly waning.

That's what I figured, as those 2 would be essentaily joined at the hip
Just perplexed they've been so nonchalant given the $$ disparity

 

[airspace]

And there are just as many in the Big 10 that don't want them. The Big 10 headquarters wants them but there is still alot of hurt feelings both ways.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I've heard similar Cali
Though from what I've gathered, UVA has been pretty laizez-faire on their end for some reason

so you're clemson booster is now telling you uva has had 2 way discussions with BIG and they are auto?

JHC...I'm out boys, you all are way way too retarded

 

[Caliknight]

If Uva/Unc leave and so too does Clemson, FSU, and maybe VaTech, is there even an Acc?

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

so you're clemson booster is now telling you uva has had 2 way discussions with BIG and they are auto?

JHC...I'm out boys, you all are way way too retarded

Relax champ
It's a message board, not a nuclear summit

My FSU buddy gives me info re. FSU
My Clemmy buddy re. Clemson

Re. UVA, i've heard it from both of the above, along with talking to a few guys I work with who are boosters there (not close buddies w/them, but work together)

End of the day, common sense prevails
And common sense tells you that schools heavily invested into FB and athletics in general (FSU, Clemson, UNC) aren't going to sit idly by and watch their brands die on the vine

How, when, with whom, and ultimately where they land, and at what cost, remains to be seem

 

[retired711]

I’m not trying to be glib, but on the Cal versus UC Berkeley argument Cal comes out on top. Cal has been on their football helmets for many decades. The Bears use the “C” logo now. the script Cal has been on the 50 yard line as well. To me, the university is always just Cal. (Except where I live in Davis; Cal can be confusing, so UCB or Berkeley is commonly used. But I digress.)

For sports purposes, yes, it's Cal. But not so much for other purposes. If I mention "Cal" to an east coaster, he's likely to ask if I went to Cal Tech. "Berkeley" is much more recognizable outside northern California. The campus has to use one or the other consistently to establish an easily-recognizable brand. I have no idea why this wasn't recognized decades ago.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

For sports purposes, yes, it's Cal. But not so much for other purposes. If I mention "Cal" to an east coaster, he's likely to ask if I went to Cal Tech. "Berkeley" is much more recognizable outside northern California. The campus has to use one or the other consistently to establish an easily-recognizable brand. I have no idea why this wasn't recognized decades ago.

OK, I see your point. I think Cal's problem is they really haven't excelled in football or basketball for some time. There have been some incredible transcendent talents (Aaron Rodgers, Jason Kidd, Tony Gonzalez, Marshawn Lynch), but I can't think of a single BIG TV game for Cal in the past decade+.

 

[kupuna133]

If Uva/Unc leave and so too does Clemson, FSU, and maybe VaTech, is there even an Acc?

All you need is one school to pierce the veil and find out the true risk and the rest will fall in line.

 

[krup]

All you need is one school to pierce the veil and find out the true risk and the rest will fall in line.

The downside risk is so huge that no one school is going to take that shot.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

The downside risk is so huge that no one school is going to take that shot.

Yep it’ll be a collective effort as the risk is too great, so we need to be united front amongst three or four schools leading the pack

 

[kupuna133]

The downside risk is so huge that no one school is going to take that shot.

Yep. That’s why it hasn’t and most likely won’t be done until much further in the contract cycle.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Yep. That’s why it hasn’t and most likely won’t be done until much further in the contract cycle.

Or the other train of thought is that enough schools will realize that they’re going to lose nearly half $1 billion if they sit on their ass and don’t do something. So they put their heads together and form a plan of action so they don’t become completely irrelevant for the next 100 years.

 

[krup]

Or the other train of thought is that enough schools will realize that they’re going to lose nearly half $1 billion if they sit on their ass and don’t do something. So they put their heads together and form a plan of action so they don’t become completely irrelevant for the next 100 years.

The problem is that there are not enough of those schools in the ACC. Less than half of the conference can feel they have any realistic chance of ending in the B1G or ACC, so for them the status quo isn’t so intolerable (given the downside risk of blowing things up).

 

[airspace]

The problem is that there are not enough of those schools in the ACC. Less than half of the conference can feel they have any realistic chance of ending in the B1G or ACC, so for them the status quo isn’t so intolerable (given the downside risk of blowing things up).

What may prompt them to act, is the gap between the ACC and the Big 12 is going to grow. Might want to get in before that avenue is closed.

 

[Caliknight]

Or the other train of thought is that enough schools will realize that they’re going to lose nearly half $1 billion if they sit on their ass and don’t do something. So they put their heads together and form a plan of action so they don’t become completely irrelevant for the next 100 years.

Plus it’s a decade plus of being behind the eightball. You don’t just snap your fingers and make up for that. We of all people should understand that.

The Acc is frantic. The Sec has taken full control of that region

 

[kupuna133]

Or the other train of thought is that enough schools will realize that they’re going to lose nearly half $1 billion if they sit on their ass and don’t do something. So they put their heads together and form a plan of action so they don’t become completely irrelevant for the next 100 years.

By your own admission there are less schools in the ACC to narrow that 1/2 billion shortfall than there are suckling from the proverbial teet. What is going to motivate the bottom 2/3 of the ACC to push the eject button on the GOR before contract expiration? Those schools know they will never see the numbers in lowers tier conferences. The only ones motivated to make the move are the ones being discusssed here.

 

[Caliknight]

The problem is that there are not enough of those schools in the ACC. Less than half of the conference can feel they have any realistic chance of ending in the B1G or ACC, so for them the status quo isn’t so intolerable (given the downside risk of blowing things up).

If 4 or 5 say they are leaving, is there even an Acc left?

 

[krup]

If 4 or 5 say they are leaving, is there even an Acc left?

Yes because the remaining members would split 480-600 million in exit fees, plus whatever they get from the resolution of the GOR.

 

[Caliknight]

Yes because the remaining members would split 480-600 million in exit fees, plus whatever they get from the resolution of the GOR.

Surely there are NCAA requirements for inclusion into the BCS, not to mention contractual obligations for media rights.

You lose ND, FSU, Clemson, Uva, Unc, that all changes.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Yes because the remaining members would split 480-600 million in exit fees, plus whatever they get from the resolution of the GOR.

bingo

amazed at some of the discussion here. People can't be this stupid or naive.

all anyone needs to know here is one poster saying UVA and UNC are THE big gets and Richmond dma is important

some of you are full on stupid

 

[krup]

Surely there are NCAA requirements for inclusion into the BCS, not to mention contractual obligations for media rights.

You lose ND, FSU, Clemson, Uva, Unc, that all changes.

I imagine the tv deals for all conferences have some kind of language on that, but I haven’t seen anything specific. It would just mean the remaining members would be even more resolute of fighting for enforcement of the GOR instead of settling.

 

[Caliknight]

I think the argument then becomes, if there isn't a conference, there is no one to pay.

 

[Caliknight]

bingo

amazed at some of the discussion here. People can't be this stupid or naive.

all anyone needs to know here is one poster saying UVA and UNC are THE big gets and Richmond dma is important

some of you are full on stupid

You seem incredibly knowledgeable on this topic. You should advise the B1G. They clearly need your help.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I imagine the tv deals for all conferences have some kind of language on that, but I haven’t seen anything specific. It would just mean the remaining members would be even more resolute of fighting for enforcement of the GOR instead of settling.

yes, all tv rights and deal monies belong to the conference, not the schools.

 

[krup]

I think the argument then becomes, if there isn't a conference, there is no one to pay.

No, that is two different things. Even if TV partners can break a deal and a conference loses its playoff bid, that doesn’t mean the leaving schools are off the hook.

Remember how few Big East teams were splitting the exit fees back then?

I have also read that if just one PAC12 member remained they could invite 11 replacements and it would still be legally the PAC12 conference.