Pikiell Sucks
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That’s fair…not arguing either..just discussing.
I think as far as greg 2.0….Pike has been more successful.
Nah I would love to point to GS1.0, but conveniently that’s something you guys don’t want to consider.
So I’m forced to stick to GS2.0. I supposed the OSU game proves to me that GS1.0 is repeating itself is all.
The GS vs SP thing is just dumb in general to me. Two different sports.
I think it would be much better to compare SP to a guy like Gary Waters, but that’s just me.
One thing I will say that I hope everyone agrees on, I believe Pike has gotten more university support than any other basketball coach we’ve had.
You can make a legit case Greg 1.0 was more successful than pike. Absolutely.
Again, I think you’re confusing “success” and “impressiveness” when it comes to Greg 2.0. The football team can be successful without being impressive..and vice versa.
Perhaps, but if you want to do GS2.0 vs Pike at RU then you have to compare them Greg’s first 4 years vs Pikes first 4 years.
Even with that you need to keep in mind roster turnover in basketball is not the same as it is in football.
This is why the comparison doesn’t even make sense.
Generally speaking in football a team that’s bigger than you is going to bully you and you just lose. You can’t hide from size.
Basketball you can have the top rebounding team have a bad night because the ball doesn’t bounce their way. Or a top 3 point shooting team just have an off night.
Just can’t compare the two IMO.
Pikiell has been a great spokesman for Rutgers University.The basketball program was resurrected to a level of respectability in recent years even without highly rated recruits.This season has been a big disappointment especially after being told the offense was going to be far better than last season.The lack of shooters is readily apparent along with the poor execution of a half court offense .Play ground basketball doesn't work with players who can't create and make shots off the dribble.
Pikiell is facing a dilemma trying to scrounge out wins without any go to scorers..He also must understand that two elite recruits will be on the roster next season and they can't be surrounded by players that lack B1G Ten talent.There are high expectations for next season which can't be wasted by a status quo response to roster formation.A transfer portal center that can make shots around the basket is a must action along with bringing in a Spencer type 3 point shooter.A highly successful season will surely impact 2025-26 recruiting.A subpar season will cause plenty questions regarding the coaching staff.
Pikiell is facing a dilemma trying to scrounge out wins without any go to scorers..He also must understand that two elite recruits will be on the roster next season and they can't be surrounded by players that lack B1G Ten talent.There are high expectations for next season which can't be wasted by a status quo response to roster formation.A transfer portal center that can make shots around the basket is a must action along with bringing in a Spencer type 3 point shooter.A highly successful season will surely impact 2025-26 recruiting.A subpar season will cause plenty questions regarding the coaching staff.
Agree…I even said so in my original post. Much easier in basketball to turn a team around and have success..I’ve certainly acknowledged that.
I started this discussion earlier in the thread because someone asked..why does Greg get more criticism than Pike.
When you have no wins vs ranked opponents, only one postseason berth, one above 500 record, no weeks ranked…you’re gonna get more criticism than someone with multiple ranked wins…multiple postseason berths, multiple above 500 years and multiple weeks ranked. Just the way it is.
Hopefully we begin to see more sustained success from greg this season which should lessen the criticism he gets. Would certainly lessen it from me.
Didn’t realize that’s how all this started lol, I wasn’t reading through everything.
Greg catches more criticism for a couple reasons.
1. Bigger audience, far more eyes on football.
2. He’s done it before, expectation for some was he would be plugged in and boom
3. Football is football. When you’re outmanned it is completely obvious (i.e Iowa)
And all are deserved. Pike isn’t perfect but he’s done much better relative to the competition. Outside of 1 November night almost 20 years ago, including about 15 years at Rutgers, Schiano hasn’t accomplished anything of significance.
All it takes in CFB is .500 for a bowl, and once for us, not even that. Basketball achievement is more difficult.
Ah I see we are at the portion of the show where one loss is more important than two wins.
Basketball is essentially the same thing…
You schedule cupcakes OOC and finish .500 in the B1G and you’re an NCAA team.
That’s basically been the recipe for us.
We also beat #2 USF in 2007 so don’t forget that Shelby, unless you don’t count that because it was USF.
I just don’t think Pike has truly gotten over the hump yet, but that’s just one man’s opinion.
I do, but you're talking on the field stuff, I'm talking program stuff.
The very fact that Greg had an expansion of the stadium tells me that. The fact that RU Bball only had 5k fans for a OOC game vs MSU at the Pru is embarrassing.
I was at that game, and a program that has been built up and established doesn't have that kind of showing. Just my $ 0.02
You think 5k at the Pru for a game on December 23 against Mississippi State was a bad showing? You're so weird dude.
Ah, we’ve now reached the “crowds are the most important thing” portion of the program.
Crowds are absolutely a key indicator of the status of a program.
You don’t agree with that?
We sell out every home game and you are harping on about a crowd at a game in Newark on December 23. You somehow think that losing to Ohio State by 19 points is an accomplishment. None of this even remotely makes sense. I would have more respect for you if you were trolling.
Wait I just realized this is the same guy who said I can only compare Rice’s years to Pike’s first three years because Rice was only here for three years. Why am I wasting my time with this guy, time to put him on the Shelby list.
Yes. I'm talking about on field stuff. That's all that matters...on field success.
All good, though the RAC has been sold out 2 years straight....that has to count for something, too.
Hey don’t forget SHI sells out every game too, at least according to the school and Fieldhouse Al.
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Call me when Schiano loses to Lafayette…
Everyone wants to talk the good while conveniently ignoring the bad.
When the good happens overwhelmingly more than the bad…yes. We tend to overlook that.
When bad happens a bit more than the good…we tend to look at the bad.
No the tournament didn’t happen Covid year! Wasn’t played! Play in game is to get into the tournament that’s why it’s called the play in.
Pike can coach D! Head Coach of a power 5 successful program to be determined. He has come up small multiple times in big games. He gets next year to prove he can be that guy!
Actually it's called the First Four, as in first four to play in the tournament.
They changed the name to first four from play in game for money reasons. They wanted to add them to the brackets and increase tv ratings. Coaches wanted credit for making the tournament. If you want to rave about a first four game which he was out coached in then ok! Great
Covid ! No tournament good team
Tournament 1 win and Pike BLEW the Houston game
First four - out coached Lost
Meltdown of epic proportions Nit loss
2nd to last in Big ten. Currently
If you want to diminish the tremendous regular season from the Covid year by using a blanket statement "there wasn't a tournament" then go ahead.
And yeah, that First Four was a classic game, proud of those guys (Ron, Geo, Caleb).. and Pike for getting RU there, as if you have been paying attention, RU was about as far from the First Four the prior 29 years as you could get
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