This wasn't a provincial type comment. It was he's been to my school, I've talked to other coaches, and NJ kids don't feel him. I'm not opposed...just passing info.
Possible Coaching Options
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I guess anything is possible, but I don't see Schiano coming back here, nor being asked back.
There is this, though: How much has Schiano learned since his time on the banks? Is it a forgone conclusion that he can't grow as a coach. He's already admitted to some mistakes both here and at Tampa Bay. If (however unlikely it might be) he were to end up back here, can we assume that Schiano 2.0 wouldn't be ANY different than 1.0?
P.S. I'm not advocating a coaching change at this point because I want a good guy to succeed here. But, with every new incident it gets harder and harder to defend KF. Damn... It's always a handful of people who eff it up for everybody.
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Because knowing Rutgers, they won't be able to land any big time candidates and in a last minute panic they will promote from within. I mean that's how Flood got hired remember?
It's also how we ended up with both coordinators. Robb Smith and Ralph Friedgen would not have lost yesterday.
Look, Flood was a bust. Some here was willing to put up with it because he was a nice guy and ran a super clean program. Since that is not the case anymore, we need to hit the reset button at the end of the season. I will be shocked if we win more than 3 games this year.
That being said, if we are not willing to bring in a HC will will help us beat teams like Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State and yes Ohio State, then we should NOT bring them in. If the new hire doesn't make people outside this board go "Rutgers will now have a legit shot at winning the East Division now in a few years", then it is not worth it. I don't want to go backwards or sideways.
That being said, if we are not willing to bring in a HC will will help us beat teams like Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State and yes Ohio State, then we should NOT bring them in. If the new hire doesn't make people outside this board go "Rutgers will now have a legit shot at winning the East Division now in a few years", then it is not worth it. I don't want to go backwards or sideways.
Take mcdaniels off the list . He is on the current squad we need someone not involved with this program right now.
Thats what i want to hear...a man with big vision who can recruit the guns to achieve them....nothing less will do anymore....NEXT LEVEL.
So our AD is going to make a 'signature' hire 'on the cheap'.....P5 HC's with the attributes we need that can win aren't going to come here cheap......you get what you pay for.
take OC McDaniels off the list. Hope he works out as OC but imo he was pretty underqualified (bother hired him for his NFL job, never coached a game as OC at crappy Columbia) for that position. Let him prove himself before he starts being considered to take over the program.
Dont forget that when you think gs never won the big games, he beat Louisville, #2 usf (maybe they were overrated, but still good), and his teams always kicked butt in bowl games. Also had ooc wins against unc, Michigan st, Illinois, under his belt.
So yeah, he crapped out against wvu, and uconn to win the conference, but to say he couldn't win big games against real teams isn't giving him the credit he's due
So yeah, he crapped out against wvu, and uconn to win the conference, but to say he couldn't win big games against real teams isn't giving him the credit he's due
Bo Pelini. At the very least, we'll all become big fans of the Bo Polini parody account.
Be a decent HC looking for a job and think of what Rutgers has to offer him:
1. An adversarial media
2. Hostile faculty
3. An education 1st, Sports 2nd culture
4. A fanbase with two profoundly different ideologies
5. Poor to mediocre pay
Now let's discuss viable coaching options.........
1. An adversarial media
2. Hostile faculty
3. An education 1st, Sports 2nd culture
4. A fanbase with two profoundly different ideologies
5. Poor to mediocre pay
Now let's discuss viable coaching options.........
Hiring Schiano might be the only thing that pulls the negative press away from the current train wreck and into a positive direction. Unfortunately, I think Greg believes he can do better. I would love to have him back here and get rid of Rossi. I think McDaniels is doing a pretty good job and would probably do well under Schiano.
What about Charlie Strong if Texas cans him after this year? Has the Louisville connection to Hermann.
Make the run for PJ Fleck. Illinois will be on the phone with him soon.
Roman would be interesting, seems like he wants to be a head coach. But can he recruit?
Another name no one has mentioned is Ed Warriner. Very successful OL coach and OC at multiple spots. Current OC and OL coach. He wanted the KU job last year but they screwed that up.
I think Herman and Flood need to go, but that's just my opinion.
Roman would be interesting, seems like he wants to be a head coach. But can he recruit?
Another name no one has mentioned is Ed Warriner. Very successful OL coach and OC at multiple spots. Current OC and OL coach. He wanted the KU job last year but they screwed that up.
I think Herman and Flood need to go, but that's just my opinion.
Like rutgersguy and vkj I like talking about coaches regardless of whether we're looking. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on who you ask) we might be looking specifically for our situation. To me we need a couple of things: previous head coaching experience in winning programs, provide schematic advantage or expertise on football field (helps offset our recruiting disadvantage versus our division opponents), can handle the culture of Rutgers/northeast. Guys who qualify that are reasonable options:
Dino Babers
Matt Campbell
Tom Herman (believe the buyout is $2.5 Million)
Mike Stoops (I will keep bringing him up because I think he'd be good)
Matt Rhule
Might be a year away, but Brian Polian at Nevada is quietly putting together a nice resume
I don't like Fleck because I'm not sure he's anything more than a good recruiter. He has no real specialty and no real 'wins' on his resume. Too much style, not enough substance.
Dino Babers
Matt Campbell
Tom Herman (believe the buyout is $2.5 Million)
Mike Stoops (I will keep bringing him up because I think he'd be good)
Matt Rhule
Might be a year away, but Brian Polian at Nevada is quietly putting together a nice resume
I don't like Fleck because I'm not sure he's anything more than a good recruiter. He has no real specialty and no real 'wins' on his resume. Too much style, not enough substance.
Why do you like Mike Stoops? His stint at Arizona wasn't so hot and I think that was when the PAC12 wasn't as strong too. Also when he came back to OU to be with this brother, Brent Venables was basically pushed out at DC. He went on to Clemson and their defensive rankings went up steadily each year I think culminating in a top 3-5 defense the last couple years. On the other hand I think OU's defense slipped under Mike Stoops return but don't quote me on that.
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To me Stoops is good defensive coach. Last year I think they struggled more than I would have liked, but still think he's really good (especially for being in the offense rich Big 12). At Arizona he had no facilities and no support. What they have in place now is very different from when he took over - that place was bereft of talent and support when he arrived. He brought them to respectability and regularly won big games, even during his early years (to be fair also lost some head scratchers). I like defensive head coaches, especially when they let their offensive coaches coach (had great OC's at Arizona including Sonny Dykes). He'd bring an exciting brand of football and I believe is regarded as a pretty good recruiter.
I could be totally wrong about him, but think he deserves a shot somewhere.
And, I think Venables is a really good coach too. Might not be a cultural fit here, but he may be the guy that takes over for Bill Snyder in the near future.
I'm the opposite I favor offensive coaches because I don't know that defensive guys do a better job of handling the offense than vice versa. Gary Patterson is one exception off the top of my head but I think more struggle. Strong is one that's brought up but a perfect example with his struggles changing OCs both in Louisville and Texas. Even Patterson made an adjustment adding Doug Meacham to his staff but that's a good job by him, I don't know that many other defensive coaches would be as good identifying good OCs. Schiano had problems here at times too except for probably McNulty who did nice job IMO.
Defensive guys tend to be a little more "volatile" too with regards to their emotions so while I don't have a problem with it I would take it into consideration other things being equal. Venables was actually a name I liked last year along with those 3 guys who were hired (Herman/Morris/Montgomery) but that "volatility" pulled me back on him some. Still a solid HC candidate though IMO. Pelini/Smart/Muschamp/Venables/Mike Stoops as well. It's all just my anecdotal observation watching games over the years but I notice defensive coaches seem more likely to be amped/emotional than offensive guys.
Nope. I don't care if we make a change or don't. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. Talking coaching prospects to me is the same as when other talk about recruits of which I have no interest. I talked about Michigan, Wisconsin, Pitt, Oregon State, Nebraska etc.and guys that I think might be good for them. Even if there are no openings I like to discuss the available and up and coming coaches out there.
That's one thing I liked about Stoops at Arizona....he brought in bright offensive guys to run that side of the ball. I think the volatility thing might be true, but there are plenty of offensive guys that lose their cool (Brian Kelly, Paul Johnson, Jim Harbaugh all come to mind).
I think Herman would be a perfect fit, but would be costly. Next to him I think Babers and Campbell are both very good candidates.
I think Herman would be a perfect fit, but would be costly. Next to him I think Babers and Campbell are both very good candidates.
Yup Kelly and Harbaugh are good examples. Paul Johnson I don't recall ever seeing him all that more emotional on the sidelines or with any more antics than your typical coach. Again it's just my anecdotal observation of games over the years of what I see as tendency of personality one side of the ball. Not as if I did any research on it, lol.
Herman was my top prospect the the last couple years. Like I said in one of these coaching threads his buyout is over 2M before 2018 and I think that takes him out of most openings except for the top tier. I'm okay with MAC coaches but I'd like a stop in between at CUSA/MWC/AAC before another jump up to the P5. Even Meyer/Kelly from Bowling Green/CMU stopped at Utah/Cincy before hitting the big time.
I'm wary of the MAC or conferences similar with a straight jump to P5 without that high mid major step in between. It can work but I'd need a lot of history to go on. Jerry Kill is a good example but he coached for a long time at many stops not just a handful of years in the MAC. Paul Johnson too, raised Navy up a level in their performance accompanied by high level performance at a lower level. Gary Pinkel at Mizzou from Toledo but he was there for 10 years or so. So again long track record. You can sell me on a MAC type coach if they have a long record behind them and not just a handful of years. Otherwise I'm always wary without that step in the middle at the MWC/AAC level.
Herman won't leave Houston for awhile until he gets a big time job.
You don't want Mike Stoops, terrible coach and is a psycho.
You don't want Mike Stoops, terrible coach and is a psycho.
Just read this thread. Sounds like nothing but a lot of really crappy options. JAGs
Stay the course. Flood's the right guy.
Stay the course. Flood's the right guy.
Absent a $5 mil per year cash infusion, we don't have great choices. As I said in another thread, we won't be guaranteed success as a program until such time that the University leadership is replaced with a strong, pro-P5 football contingent. Until then, it's just as Barchi has said - stay the course, collect the paycheck.
when considering any change - remember the full incremental price of a 'significant ' upgrade - remember that no coach who is generally viewed as having potential will willingly make the decision to put all of their belongings in a moving van and come to Rutgers unless they are convinced that virtually all of the necessary resources are going to be available.
So providing a new coach with their desired salary is just the first step -
The will want to have a full - high quality staff - and that will mean no more "on the cheap" - top notch individuals in all of the key positions has a steep high price.
So providing a new coach with their desired salary is just the first step -
The will want to have a full - high quality staff - and that will mean no more "on the cheap" - top notch individuals in all of the key positions has a steep high price.
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