At this point in his development, you don't take reps away from Laviano (as the starter) unless he's injured or playing very poorly. I was very disappointed last year when Flood didn't give Laviano more reps when he had Nova who was much more experienced. Made me think he might have been looking at Rettig as this year's starter. I guess it turns out Flood just doesn't know how to handle the quarterback position.
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Also the Schiano era.We have our own Bermuda Triangle of sorts.I come from generations of Rutgers grads & will always support everything RU.The entire Rettig fiasco has discouraged me and changed my feelings about Flood,who I once staunchly supported.
So you say he has shown marked improvement, and going to be a very good college QB
So what happens to Rettig? Never gets a chance and has no college
experience.? Doesn't deserve to show what he has?
I probably should've said that if he continues on the same trajectory he's on right now, I think Laviano has an excellent chance to be a very good college QB. Not sure if he'd be good enough for the NFL or not. If so, he wouldn't be the first very good college QB that isn't cut out for the pros.
Retting got a chance to show what he had in preseason and in the first half of the first game. Whatever he showed, the coaches obviously felt Laviano showed more potential for winning games right now. Maybe the coaches also feel that Retting has more upside than Laviano but just isn't ready yet. Maybe Laviano will improve so much in the course of this season that Retting's upside combined w/his limited reps in practice won't allow Retting to overcome Laviano's momentum as a starter. Kind of sucks, but that might happen.
OTOH, maybe Laviano's progress will slow up or die off. Or maybe Retting will overcome whatever it is that has the coaches thinking Laviano should start. That would suck for Laviano, but that might happen too.
The coaching staff has to play whoever they think has the best chance to help us win games today. Not who they think might be the better long-term player. Not even if they think that other player might one day have more potential to play in the NFL due to their greater upside. However much it might suck for the guy that doesn't play cannot be a decision point for the coaches, although I'm sure coaches like Flood or Wilson are sensitive to it.
Well, if the coaches think Laviano is better, the same thing happens to him that happens to most QBs who aren't starting. They sit and wait and play is the starter really falls off or gets hurt. Such is life, it's not the staff's job to make sure everyone plays. I'd like to see what he has as well because the decision of which guy to start was apparently pretty damn close, but whether or not Rettig ever gets a chance in college and what that means to him personally should be about 0% of the decision making process.
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Deal with facts not emotions and hearsay deal with this FACT
The reason Rettig is not playing is he is an Interception machine 64 TD to 41IND and that is against lowly HS players
How many teams play the backup quarterback for no reason barring a blowout? Seriously, how many?
I understand we had a very close competition, and that could change the how people view it. But that backup IS the backup, like it or not. Unless he was a completely different type of player, it would be extremely unusual to see him get any time, not a "strange universe."
How many teams play the backup quarterback for no reason barring a blowout? Seriously, how many?
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When you are 2-3 a bunch. When you are way down at half and have struggled on O, a bunch. When you're not a winning team, or have O issue PUTTING UP POINTS, a bunch and likely a majority in big time football other than the Kyle Flood era Rutgers.
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When you are 2-3 a bunch. When you are way down at half and have struggled on O, a bunch. When you're not a winning team, or have O issue PUTTING UP POINTS, a bunch and likely a majority in big time football other than the Kyle Flood era Rutgers.
Agreed.. Schiano had issues with handling the QB position as well. But I suspect if he were here we'd see more Rettig. I cannot see Schiano watching Laviano fumble the ball like he did a few games back.. for no reason.. and then keep him in the game when he had seen Rettig look very good in his first start. I also think Schiano might have given Laviano the whole Norfolk game off rather than half a game.
I would not have been outraged about Rettig's not playing had he not performed as well as he did in the first half of the Norfolk State game; had Laviano not gotten suspended for using a fake ID; had Laviano not played so underwhelmingly up to the MSU game; and had Flood not pretended the QB competition was close right up thru the first game. Given CL's suspension and lack of judgment on and off the field, and his overall lackluster body of work (averaging in his latest strong performance, along with some recent poor decision making), Rettig deserved(s) a chance to get some experience.
After Nova's 5 interceptions one game and Flood saying he saw no reason to change QB's, any QB on the roster that doesn't start the first game might as well fill out the transfer papers before the coin toss. Laviano is OK doesn't mean Rettig isn't better. Most of Carroo's TD catches don't get made if not for Carroo. We're 2-3 with the toughest part of the schedule coming. (4-2, 6-0 4-2, 5-1) Not good!
Did Nova not have Carroo last year? Do other top QBs not have WRs making plays for them? Did Cook not just throw up some jump balls and have his WRs make great plays?
In Rettig's last two HS seasons he had 47 td's and 21 ints. His stats were:
316-572-21 4248 yds and 47 tds -----> 3.7 int %
In CL's last two years of HS he had 25 tds and 19 ints
261-461-19 3186 yds and 25 tds ----> 4.1 int %
LOL to this. Why don't you throw out how many pics Rettig threw in his Soph season? Dude has 41 int's in HS, that has to be a record. When he plays, I'll be his biggest fan, but there is no conspiracy here.
I get that now is not the time to even think about replacing Laviano but you make it sound like Rettig is in the permanent RU dog-house. Unless that is the case, there are a number of scenarios where Rettig could play; injuries, poor play, academics, infractions.
You can't figure out why? So the reason HR is not playing is because as a HS soph he threw 20 int's? My point was simply in his last two seasons (years you are heavily recruited off of) he had a ratio of 47-21 and an int% of 3.7 which was both better than CL. Why not post how many ints he threw in traveling football.
As A HS Senior Rettig had a ratio of 40-18 and Laviano 11-10. Maybe we should find out about pee wee football seasons.
We're 2-3 with no QB change in sight. Sadly, I agree #freehaydenrettig and family are most likely already exploring another transfer option. HCKFs track record suggests he has no intention of willfully changing QBs. With the golden boy coming to the Banks next year, his RU career may only be the Norfolk State game.
Hey @MoobyCow , I did not mean to come off as a jerk in my post yesterday as I mistakenly lumped you with some of the insanity being posted on these boards. HR not playing has nothing to do with his HS interception rate nor what he did in pee wee football. I can't believe some of the stuff being posted on both sides.
CL had a good game against MSU and is improving. For me, the only question I have is we are sitting at 2-3. I do not believe CL is losing the games for us but I wonder with our defense would HR give us a better chance to score 35+ and win.
My impression of the staff is they are playing the guy who fits their system and style. But maybe in a season where our defense is is struggling the best chance is to open up the offense and try and score 40+.
CL had a good game against MSU and is improving. For me, the only question I have is we are sitting at 2-3. I do not believe CL is losing the games for us but I wonder with our defense would HR give us a better chance to score 35+ and win.
My impression of the staff is they are playing the guy who fits their system and style. But maybe in a season where our defense is is struggling the best chance is to open up the offense and try and score 40+.
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Take away the game against Norfolk and the Grant Special Teams scores and Rutgers Offense is averaging 18.5points per game in the last 4 against FBS teams. If you think that is enough to win with this defense then we are in for maybe 1 or 2 more wins. Maybe.
Maybe it is the play calling. Run first. Run second. Hope to covert third down (3 for 12?)..maybe Chris needs to roll out more and run more. Maybe he is being held back from producing more. Maybe Rettig would produce more points even though CL is playing fairly decent. But we'll never know unless something bad happens to Chris. Not even giving Rettig a chance to produce more is what really steams me. 1 more score in each game (WSU/MSU) and we could be 4-1 beating a top 5 team.
Not to mention that if Rettig just sits rest of year I am sure he is gone.
Maybe it is the play calling. Run first. Run second. Hope to covert third down (3 for 12?)..maybe Chris needs to roll out more and run more. Maybe he is being held back from producing more. Maybe Rettig would produce more points even though CL is playing fairly decent. But we'll never know unless something bad happens to Chris. Not even giving Rettig a chance to produce more is what really steams me. 1 more score in each game (WSU/MSU) and we could be 4-1 beating a top 5 team.
Not to mention that if Rettig just sits rest of year I am sure he is gone.
So what if is gone, he is second string this year with Dare and Rosso there is little need for him. and get real he would most likely have go to D-2 to play. Few if any P5 would take Rutgers waste products maybe MAC or AAC would find him useful.
It's a hard thing to unpack what is causing our issues with scoring, but it is certainly there.
FWIW, the Football Outsiders has some stats that I think shed light on it. Their S&P ratings have our total offense at 83, running at 96, passing at 18 BUT.... On plays they consider just pure passing downs (long 2nd *& 3rd) we're at 77. I would take from this that our passing game works pretty well when you're using it in place of running and staying ahead of schedule, but it's been bad when we get behind schedule. Which I think has been pretty obvious to everyone. Unfortunately due to only half decent running and a lot of penalties, we are behind schedule a lot.
Also, based on explosiveness we're 111, which is a big issue. If you always have to march the field to score you're going to be in trouble.
I saw the same stats and agree. One of the things that hurts us is having to be perfect on 12 play 75 yard drives to score. Once we are behind schedule we are usually doomed to punting. That is ok with a defense that is like our 2012 unit. But this team needs to be more explosive because of our defensive limitations.
However, if our defensive play builds on the MSU game and we continue to improve maybe our offense will be adequate to get the wins.
Do you really get "outraged" about the QB choice? I mean, it's cool if you do and all. But I can't imagine becoming outraged over a clearly subjective decision made in the context of a form of entertainment to which we are only observers.
first of all he pretty much has to drop down to play. He has already red shirted.
And neither Dare not Russo (IF he comes) hasn't taken a single snap for Rutgers. So you'd be 1 injury away from being back to a totally inexperienced RS-Frosh/true Frosh QB....inclusive of Resigno(sp).. no need for him? That's crazy talk.
OK, that makes some sense, but not completely, one guy plays game after game,
and improves steadily, the other sits, and has no chance to break in, some how
the 4 star with the strongest arm has to be given a chance to show what he can do.
In the first game Rettig did not do one thing to, to be banished to the bench.
On the other hand Laviano has made many mistakes, but is given a chance to
correct them. The more normal scenario you see is if one, is a year or two behind
he just has to wait his turn. The fact that Flood is willing to lose Rettig shows me
he putting all his stock in Laviano, who does not show more potential than Rettig.
Most people who know the sport can see this. Flood has not shown to have
a good judgement of the characters he backs up.
OK, that makes some sense, but not completely, one guy plays game after game,
and improves steadily, the other sits, and has no chance to break in, some how
the 4 star with the strongest arm has to be given a chance to show what he can do.
In the first game Rettig did not do one thing to, to be banished to the bench.
On the other hand Laviano has made many mistakes, but is given a chance to
correct them. The more normal scenario you see is if one, is a year or two behind
he just has to wait his turn. The fact that Flood is willing to lose Rettig shows me
he putting all his stock in Laviano, who does not show more potential than Rettig.
Most people who know the sport can see this. Flood has not shown to have
a good judgment of the players he backs up.
I think Laviano needs a win, or a great game in defeat vs Indy. Otherwise after we lose to OSU, and Rutgers is sitting at 2-5? I think a switch will be made.
HCKF should be handling his roster like it's the MLB playoffs. There is no script, only a sense of urgency. He should be worrying about his job and do whatever it takes rather than putting all his stock in one particular player in any position. Not enough wins = No bowl = No job. 2-3 with 2-4 on the horizon.
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Good to see that CL has not been crucified here for the 4th down spike to end the game without trying an end zone pass. I think that's a good thing from the fan base, and appropriate.
That being said, it would appear that the growing story line is MSU was a good to excellent game for CL, which is now at the other end of the spectrum. To me, you can't discount the 3rd down sack on the last drive as a game manager just cant do that (and of course the spike). Those factor in to the grades and since were at the most important time, are relevant. He had some good "stats: but not enough points (the most impt stat) to win. If we were 2-3 with Rettig I would absolutely say its time to try the other one to see how he would do under the lights.
While CL did some nice stuff, in relevance to this discussion, I didn't see anything I thought Rettig could not have done (does anyone feel they saw something only could pull off), and I wonder would he not make the under pressure throws and sacks we have seen. In the end, is it so off to wonder about that when you're 2-3 and not putting up points?
That being said, it would appear that the growing story line is MSU was a good to excellent game for CL, which is now at the other end of the spectrum. To me, you can't discount the 3rd down sack on the last drive as a game manager just cant do that (and of course the spike). Those factor in to the grades and since were at the most important time, are relevant. He had some good "stats: but not enough points (the most impt stat) to win. If we were 2-3 with Rettig I would absolutely say its time to try the other one to see how he would do under the lights.
While CL did some nice stuff, in relevance to this discussion, I didn't see anything I thought Rettig could not have done (does anyone feel they saw something only could pull off), and I wonder would he not make the under pressure throws and sacks we have seen. In the end, is it so off to wonder about that when you're 2-3 and not putting up points?
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So wait a minute--people can't post how they feel or what they wish for in regards to RU football--Because it might sow seeds of dissent?
Good Lord--the policing of football conversation. Where should we have our posts pre-screened and who will make sure they don't have what you may feel is an adverse reaction.
Forgetting that it presumes that this board has power over the locker room, the premise of such thought policing is abhorrent. People here wanting to see a different O look are sowing discontent-it's getting too much here.
So wait a minute--people can't post how they feel or what they wish for in regards to RU football--Because it might sow seeds of dissent?
Good Lord--the policing of football conversation. Where should we have our posts pre-screened and who will make sure they don't have what you may feel is an adverse reaction.
Forgetting that it presumes that this board has power over the locker room, the premise of such thought policing is abhorrent. People here wanting to see a different O look are sowing discontent-it's getting too much here.
It's so great to watch professional football because there are NEVER instances where those highly polished quarterbacks take a sack in a crucial situation when circumstances dictate they should throw it away. Those QB's always are able to get their body in the right position to be able to throw the ball away, without fumbling the ball when under the heaviest of jail break blitzes. What is there 1 or two times a year that an NFL QB takes a sack when he should throw it away? And when it happens,,,, those guys are benched immediately !!
I'm glad we as fans hold our young QB to the same standards !!
What makes you so sure that Russo is coming? Do you think he wants to sit two years behind Laviano? Do you think he believes that he will get a "fair" chance to compete for the job before Laviano graduates? How did Flood's promise of an "fair" chance for Rettig work out for Rettig?
