I just want to say that Ray Rice is an amazing guy, I hope a moment of bad decision doesn't define his life.
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Sorry if I made you think about something that you wouldn't normally think about.where does this come from? Kind of out of the blue, no?
I respect your opinion but nothing in Ray's history points to him being a bad person. He hit a woman, he shouldn't have done that but that doesn"t define who he is.He was way too casual dragging his unconscious girlfriend out of the elevator for me to assume it was a one time thing.
The reality is that right now it pretty much does define him.I respect your opinion but nothing in Ray's history points to him being a bad person. He hit a woman, he shouldn't have done that but that doesn"t define who he is.
You dont have to apologize to me. I'm just saying this was pretty random. Made me think that something else happened and had to search it.Sorry if I made you think about something that you wouldn't normally think about.
That's my point, it shouldn't define him. He is a better man than that one incident.The reality is that right now it pretty much does define him.
Yeah it was random, sorry for posting a random thread on this board, lol.You dont have to apologize to me. I'm just saying this was pretty random. Made me think that something else happened and had to search it.
I have no idea. I don't really know him. I spoke with him a few times many years ago, but those were superficial conversations.That's my point, it shouldn't define him. He is a better man than that one incident.
I agree.Ray Rice, in a league full of guys who have or have had criminal backgrounds, was unfortunately made an example of. He more then paid the price for his crime. Time to bring him back into the mainstream of society. It's good to see him publicly associated with Rutgers again.
He was way too casual dragging his unconscious girlfriend out of the elevator for me to assume it was a one time thing.
You mean the one time he was caught abusing a woman on camera. He'd have to be the unluckiest man in the history of the world to have his only attack being caught on camera.That's my point, it shouldn't define him. He is a better man than that one incident.
You mean the one time he was caught abusing a woman on camera. He'd have to be the unluckiest man in the history of the world to have his only attack being caught on camera.
I think crucified is the best way to describe his situation.Ray Rice, in a league full of guys who have or have had criminal backgrounds, was unfortunately made an example of.
I disagree, there are worse running backs in the league right now. Rice still had some gas in the tank, hitting his wife kept him out of the league more than anything.I think he only averaged 3.1 ypc his last season. It wasn't his character that kept teams from bringing him back, NFL teams are pretty liberal on who they will let play, Rice just looked like he was done in his last season.
He has gotten another chance. His wife dropped all charges, he's slowly being welcomed back into the Rutgers football program, he's out talking about making good choices, etc.. He's just not playing in the NFL anymore, which is more likely due to his production potential rather than his off-field transgressions (I think Greg Hardy and others having continued opportunities tells us all we need to know there).I think Ray would be the first to admit that he messed up, not because he lost his playing career but because he hurt the woman he loves. So many bad guys get second and third chances, a good guy like Ray Rice, should've gotten another chance.
You mean the one time he was caught abusing a woman on camera. He'd have to be the unluckiest man in the history of the world to have his only attack being caught on camera.
He has gotten another chance. His wife dropped all charges, he's slowly being welcomed back into the Rutgers football program, he's out talking about making good choices, etc.. He's just not playing in the NFL anymore, which is more likely due to his production potential rather than his off-field transgressions (I think Greg Hardy and others having continued opportunities tells us all we need to know there).
Those bad guys often don't do things on video. It was the video that did him in.I think Ray would be the first to admit that he messed up, not because he lost his playing career but because he hurt the woman he loves. So many bad guys get second and third chances, a good guy like Ray Rice, should've gotten another chance.
I believe if not for the domestic assault Ray might have been given a tryout, but his production was down and teams probably felt it better not to take a look to see if he had something left in his tank.I think he only averaged 3.1 ypc his last season. It wasn't his character that kept teams from bringing him back, NFL teams are pretty liberal on who they will let play, Rice just looked like he was done in his last season.
The reality is that right now it pretty much does define him.
Probably the line was a major part of that poor ypc, but a running back usually starts decliningThe yard per carry thing bugs me. His backup went from 4.9 a carry to 2.9 a carry. That tells me the line was bad that year. His backup was the kid from Temple.
Using the same logic you'd have to be able to present all the public arguments and police calls and so on to support all the other times he must have forgotten himself in public.You mean the one time he was caught abusing a woman on camera. He'd have to be the unluckiest man in the history of the world to have his only attack being caught on camera.
Using the same logic you'd have to be able to present all the public arguments and police calls and so on to support all the other times he must have forgotten himself in public.
Why are you so quick to assume that this wasn't a case of him being terribly drunk and being pushed hard and reacting badly? You have zero evidence to support any other conclusion.