Record Breaking Hurricane Season
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Sandy and Katrina were not considered major? Just asking. There were a couple of more sprinkled in there too.
Katrina was pre-Wilma. Sandy was not a major hurricane. Technically, Sandy wasn't even an actual hurricane when it made landfall.
It wasn't considered a major hurricane. The damage that ensued was due to overdevelopment.
I think it has to do with El Nino and warmer pacific waters...creates stronger upper level winds shunting storm growth in the Atlantic
Now you've done it. And there will be hell to pay. Likely here in NC. Loooong overdue. We're just stickin' so far out in the Atlantic, here.
Once upon a time I built and kept a nice little second home on Topsail Island. Enjoyed it for a peaceful decade. Then, after Bertha, Fran, and Floyd, I had had enough. The buyer turned it into a McMansion, of course.
3 whole trees, and a fence? Your roof stayed on your house, correct?
It just goes to show how lucky we are to live in a place where climate is so temperate.
Why doesn't Hurricane Irene count?
Per Wikipedia...
Hurricane Irene was a large and destructive tropical cyclone, which affected much of the Caribbean and East Coast of the United States during late August 2011. Irene is ranked as the seventh-costliest hurricane in United States history.[2] The ninth named storm, first hurricane, and first major hurricane of the 2011 Atlantic hurricane season,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Jersey_hurricanes
I know it's wikipedia, but a link to NJ hurricane history. The part of "extreme weather" when it comes to climate change has always been it's most dubious claim. You can always find a drought, flood, blizzard, tornado, wild fire, etc. somewhere in the world and people say "Look, Climate Change!" The problem is that stuff has always existed and always will. Now, any weather event is attributed to "Climate Change" even when there is no science to correlate the two.
I know it's wikipedia, but a link to NJ hurricane history. The part of "extreme weather" when it comes to climate change has always been it's most dubious claim. You can always find a drought, flood, blizzard, tornado, wild fire, etc. somewhere in the world and people say "Look, Climate Change!" The problem is that stuff has always existed and always will. Now, any weather event is attributed to "Climate Change" even when there is no science to correlate the two.
Statement technically accurate, but also fairly useless. Three of the costliest storms in US history have happened since Hurricane Wilma (Sandy in 2012, Ike in 2008, Irene in 2011).
This is a semantics issue. There have been a number of powerful storms during hurricane season that have caused major damage to life and property. That's generally all people care about.
However, whether or not a storm was scientifically a "hurricane" does carry contractual importance in certain instances.
However, whether or not a storm was scientifically a "hurricane" does carry contractual importance in certain instances.
Also of note, no Cat 5 Atlantic Hurricane had made landfall in the Atlantic basin since Andrew in 1992.... until both Dean and Felix managed it in 2007.
It's not so much a semantics issue as a "missing the point" issue. The record - and the noting, thereof - isn't about how much damage storms do, it's about the meteorology and is specifically limited to the intensity of the storm.
The last Cat 3+ storm to make landfall in the U.S. was Wilma. Further anecdotes, such as @brgRC90's breathless comments about the number of people killed by Sandy (zero, in the U.S.) are tangential.
What is important or interesting about the meteorological distinction?
It makes a statement about the overall climatology.
AlGore (among others) promised us that global warming would lead to bigger, more powerful storms. The history of Atlantic basin hurricanes over the last decade has show this to not be the case. What it tells us is that there are greater dynamics at work than just average global temperature and that it's unrealistic to make generalized predictions on a broad scale.
NOAA is now saying that the Atlantic Multi-Decadal Oscillation (AMO) has entered a "cold phase" and that it's quite possible that we will see multiple years of diminished Atlantic tropical cyclone activity. The last such phase lasted 23 years (from 1971 - 1994).
Don't forget it's not just a meteorological distinction, but also a national distinction... it discounts any hurricanes making landfall in the geographic region that do not do so while crossing an arbitrary, politically determined border.
See, now you're switching parameters. First you were talking about US landfalls, and now you're talking about the Atlantic basin. Can't do that without including the Cat 5's that hit in 2007.
There is no importance to a largely arbitrary meteorological distinction except to try to win a political argument. If the maximum wind speed when the storm makes landfall is a few miles per hour below a threshold it's technically not a hurricane. That doesn't mean it's not a destructive storm that might do far more damage than a storm with slightly higher wind speeds.
As for this: "Further anecdotes, such as @brgRC90's breathless comments about the number of people killed by Sandy (zero, in the U.S.) are tangential" WTF?
"The death toll in the United States directly attributed to Sandy includes 48 in New York, 12 in New Jersey, 5 in Connecticut, 2 in Pennsylvania, and five in other states."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/world/americas/hurricane-sandy-fast-facts/index.html
As for this: "Further anecdotes, such as @brgRC90's breathless comments about the number of people killed by Sandy (zero, in the U.S.) are tangential" WTF?
"The death toll in the United States directly attributed to Sandy includes 48 in New York, 12 in New Jersey, 5 in Connecticut, 2 in Pennsylvania, and five in other states."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/world/americas/hurricane-sandy-fast-facts/index.html
What they're saying is that overall numbers are down. One aspect of that is the lack of Cat3+ storms landfalling the US.
From 1851 to present (164 seasons), 3 of the top 10 seasons with the most hurricanes have come in the last 11 years (2005, 2010, 2012).
From 1851 to present (164 seasons), 6 of the top 15 seasons with the most named storms have come in the last 11 years (2005, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012). 10 of 15 have come since 2000.
Well, I should have known better than to trust the Wikipedia article.
For what it's worth, the CDC death toll includes people who died of things like carbon monoxide poisoning up to a week after the storm.
As for the importance, or lack thereof, there's no political play, here. It's a simple cautionary tale. Things aren't always as simple as some folks would have you believe.
Didn't you just contradict your own argument about Sandy?
Also, Wikipedia clearly refers to Sandy as a hurricane, even saying it is "unofficially known as 'Superstorm Sandy'".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricane_records
Sandy was a hurricane, but not when it made landfall in NJ. By that time it had transitioned to extratropical.
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Winds in excess of 70 miles an hour caused enough damage well off the shoreline, having nothing to do with over development.
A little known and almost but not quite entirely unrelated factoid is that our very own weather-fanatic, @RU848789 likes Hurricanes. Although I think he likes Long Island Iced Teas a bit more.
You know, in case someone feels compelled to buy him a beverage for his years of game-day weather prediction service to the board.
You know, in case someone feels compelled to buy him a beverage for his years of game-day weather prediction service to the board.
I don't like this thread. I don't understand the point of the OP and I don't understand the tone of his replies. Is there something I am missing here or is this thread a total waste of space and time. Is the OP telling me not to worry about storms like Sandy...I don't get it...
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