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Renovation survey-Jersey Mike's

Rutgers need to balance adding revenue with fan satisfaction. It’s not going to be easy but I expect the athletic department to add a lot of premium options while keeping plenty of 100, 200 and 300 level seats. My expectation is that all the added seats are premium and the regular season seats will be shifted around a bit. For instance, if you sit mid court 5th row, your season tickets are going to be a lot more expensive and it may be club seating. If you don’t want that, you may need to shift to the corner or behind the basket and keep regular 100 level seats. No one likes change but Rutgers has been behind in revenue and needs to capitalize which should improve the overall product.
Ticket revenue is a drop in the bucket compared to tv revenue. To me this is partly being greedy and partly a misguided attempt to turn Rutgers basketball into a "premium" experience but the problem is that the real premium experience is being seated closely with thousands of other passionate fans. Suits like Hobbs will never understand that part of it.
 
I'm just going to enjoy the next two or three seasons with the knowledge that my 30 year run as as season ticket holder will probably come to an end altogether. Based on the survey and the renderings, as someone that has been in 100 level over that time, the number of seats in that area will be greatly reduced and the price points way beyond anything I could justify even as a fanatic. I would venture to guess that the majority of people that would find these changes to the lower bowl as home runs aren't people that actually attend games on any semi-regular basis.

From the renderings, it looks like that there will be two major voids inserted between upper and lower levels that will severely damage the atmosphere. Beyond a few additional seats in the corners and near the current lobby, I don't know how these plans wouldn't lower the capacity even more. Not that I'd love it necessarily but just replacing the thing is all that really makes sense.
+1000
 
Objective opinion: Looks fantastic!

Subjective concern: Will my 4 seats in 204 be jeopardized?

(30+ year season ticket-holder)
It looks nice at first glance - but we all know the RAC and the space is just not there to add all the luxury space without taking it from the current season ticket holders - If adding luxury is not negotiable then build new, The current plan is lipstick on a pig.
 
Loge seats at $7500/seat
Premium seats at $5000 each
Bunker seats at 16 seats for $110,000 ($6875/seat)

I think the lowest option I saw was $300 per game for seats which is still $3000-4000 a year.

These changes are not for the common man
 
If the lowest per game entry point is $300 the RAC will not be that crowded. This isn't MSG.
 
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Pretty disappointed that there was no spot for open-ended comments/suggestions.

I signed up for the focus groups...

Seems uber-focused on corporate hospitality type stuff, as if we would attract the same kind of crowd that the rangers do at MSG...
 
I get it’s all about the $ but they need to be really careful with these plans and pricing or they’re gonna really mess up the atmosphere and also not be able to fill the seats at these prices.

Recruiting in 2024 is on another level but it’s going to be hard to sustain that and I just don’t think the demand is going to be there for a full season (including all of the OOC games) for some of these plans.

75% + of the home schedule is out of conference weaker opponents or difficult weeknight games (e.g 8:30pm).

There are a handful of games each year (weekend - top opponents) where the demand would be there but not for a full season.

This is also going to bring in a lot more opposing fans to our seats. Fans of Michigan, OSU, Indiana are gonna have no problem throwing down hundreds of dollars to see their team one time in NJ and you’re going to see a lot more Rutgers fans who sell their tix to foot the bill for the whole season.
 
On a separate note, I don’t understand fhe obsession with giving students courtside seats. The riot squad, despite our relative success, is a pretty small group of students.
Ticket revenue is a drop in the bucket compared to tv revenue. To me this is partly being greedy and partly a misguided attempt to turn Rutgers basketball into a "premium" experience but the problem is that the real premium experience is being seated closely with thousands of other passionate fans. Suits like Hobbs will never understand that part of it.

Agree, the intensity and loyalty of the crowd is what makes it great. Folks were in their feet in the 2nd half for freaking Bryant. If half those folks are displaced and replaced with corporate seats with a rotating group of people sitting in them, do they really think the 100s courtside will be as intense?
 
It was a good, thorough survey (I got it, so it's being pretty widely distributed), but yes, it looks like some radical changes are in the offing. And that will have an effect on the atmosphere during the game.

It's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison, but here's what Seton Hall experienced in the move from the Meadowlands to The Rock. Beforehand, I always thought, "Hey, wouldn't it be great to have bars at the top of the first level, and all sorts of food offerings ringing the concourse?" And that's what we got in Newark. So, yay, beer and booze. I enjoy both.

But the downside of it is that it takes a lot of people out of their seats during game action, as opposed to just halftime. And the lower bowl is very sparse when the second half begins. And it makes a difference in the atmosphere the crowd provides. Looking at all these new entertainment/eating/drinking areas proposed for the RAC (and if they are showing them, they are doing them), I think it's going to take a lot of butts out of seats and have at least some deleterious effect on the RAC's notable acoustics-driven sound levels. How much is to be determined, I guess.

This is all likely to happen no matter what, but it'll be a different game-day experience once it does.
Agree completely and you can see how the survey is driving the answers they want to justify their desires
 
After looking at the renderings and taking the survey I have completely changed my mind about RAC renovation. Build new! The renovation goal is clearly focused on premium seating. I understand why that is one of the two major focuses but unfortunately it just does not work in that building. If they limited the renovation to entrance/lobby, bathrooms and concessions RAC renovation is a reasonable approach - but cramming all the luxury seating into a space limited area is not going to work.

Build new!
Agreed! If this is the path forward, and I understand why it might have to be, then just build a new arena. But please add a rink so RU Hockey can finally happen. And put it in NB near the rail hub if you want to add entertainment options.
 
I agree 100% with everything people are saying. Most, if all, will be true.

The 1 point I haven't seen mentioned.....Players are coming here for the $. This is catered for the people that give the money.

This could be a must in our NIL world.

Doesn't mean I dont hate it
 
Loge seats at $7500/seat
Premium seats at $5000 each
Bunker seats at 16 seats for $110,000 ($6875/seat)

I think the lowest option I saw was $300 per game for seats which is still $3000-4000 a year.

These changes are not for the common man
You are 100% correct. I do expect only 500-1000 seats to be “premium”. So some of the fans in the the 100s that don’t want to play up for that experience may be moved around a bit (corners or behind the basket). Everyone else should relatively be in the same spots.
 
This is also going to bring in a lot more opposing fans to our seats. Fans of Michigan, OSU, Indiana are gonna have no problem throwing down hundreds of dollars to see their team one time in NJ and you’re going to see a lot more Rutgers fans who sell their tix to foot the bill for the whole season.

Hey Pat, I hope you read this and are heeding his comment.
 
I'd be interested in knowing if Rutgers is working with any Acoustical Engineering firms, to determine the effect these changes will have on the RACs sound level. Would hate to find out all these changes muffled our home court advantage after the renovation is done.
Agreed. I don't know if they are correct or not, but I recall people on here mentioning that the fire doors from the lower concourse having to be closed are one reason why the sound is the way that it is. If those are gone and the area between 100 and 200 levels is now open, that has to make difference. How much would be for the experts.

Also would need to make sure the APC deck people don't have to walk around the entire building to get to the entrance.
 
You are 100% correct. I do expect only 500-1000 seats to be “premium”. So some of the fans in the the 100s that don’t want to play up for that experience may be moved around a bit (corners or behind the basket). Everyone else should relatively be in the same spots.

The 200s will be greatly affected. That seems to be where loge/table top/ premium seating will be.
 
The final part of the survey with the either/ors was moronic and made no sense. It would ask, Would you pay $800 for a 300 level seat, with Loge Box, and this or that amenity? What? Where am I sitting, in the 300 level or in a loge box that clearly has dedicated seats in it? Unless I’m the moron, that part was bizarrely constructed and presented a bunch of nonsensical ticket package concepts.
 
Honestly, the more I think about the more convinced I am that the ONLY thing they should do is activate the campus space around the arena more with shops/amenities. Leave the arena alone.
 
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The final part of the survey with the either/ors was moronic and made no sense. It would ask, Would you pay $800 for a 300 level seat, with Loge Box, and this or that amenity? What? Where am I sitting, in the 300 level or in a loge box that clearly has dedicated seats in it? Unless I’m the moron, that part was bizarrely constructed and presented a bunch of nonsensical ticket package concepts.
I read that as you will have a 300 level seat plus access to a club box for food/drink. In the survey they said Some of the club boxes don’t have views of the court so they are for pre game and or half time etc.
 
Agreed! If this is the path forward, and I understand why it might have to be, then just build a new arena. But please add a rink so RU Hockey can finally happen. And put it in NB near the rail hub if you want to add entertainment options.
People are concerned about compromising the RAC atmosphere and you want to have the basketball team play in a hockey arena???
 
It appears the announcers seats are gone. Are they now moved to court side?
 
The 200s will be greatly affected. That seems to be where loge/table top/ premium seating will be.
Maybe, unfortunately we won’t know until the plan is finalized. There will be people that upgrade too and the overall capacity should increase slightly (mostly down low). Hypothetically say there are 1,000 premium seats. That’s only 12% of the current capacity and half probably come from 100s and half from 200s (maybe some from 300). My guess is 50% (500 of the 1,000) of seats are filled by current 100s or 200s ticket holders. So maybe 500 tickets have to get moved to a worse location. That’s not a lot of movement. That’s my guess at least.
 
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Let’s move this program forward where it belongs. The days of minimal doners sitting in premium seats is coming to an end and thank god. Most of you are just being selfish and thinking about your bottom line and not what the program needs. For years most of you ignored what this program needed so you can keep being frugal. When you lose your seats it’s no one’s fault but your own.
 
Maybe, unfortunately we won’t know until the plan is finalized. There will be people that upgrade too and the overall capacity should increase slightly (mostly down low). Hypothetically say there are 1,000 premium seats. That’s only 12% of the current capacity and half probably come from 100s and half from 200s (maybe some from 300). My guess is 50% (500 of the 1,000) of seats are filled by current 100s or 200s ticket holders. So maybe 500 tickets have to get moved to a worse location. That’s not a lot of movement. That’s my guess at least.
This assumes there is a place to move them.
 
I filled out the RAC survey. The prices they are talking about for the premium stuff is pretty pricey. At a minimum, it would cost you $400 to take yourself and a friend to see RU play. I am currently paying about $200 per game for the same thing to sit in 100 level, and people in 200 level are paying much less than me. I'm not sure how many people out there will throw down that kind of cash to see RU play Fairleigh Dickinson. They need to be careful with what they ultimately do, because as @bac2therac hinted, we're not that far removed from OOC games having 2,500 people in the stands. And that's when the tickets are cheap.
 
Hobbs trapped in the bubble of mega donors which arent that many

Hobbs out of touch with average rutgers hoops fan

Also be careful...RU just 1 NCAA tourney in 40 years
And you know the Governor is pushing to play a year in Trenton for obvious reasons.
 
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