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Renovation survey-Jersey Mike's

Pushed out = priced out of the building
E.g. you have 8k seats now, final new place has 8k
You build 2k more seats to compensate for those who won't pay $ / can't afford it
Not all will do it, but you give them the option
8k in the new joint means you'll have a decent amount of people not moving over
Again, i'll wait until the final #'s come out, but i'd be shocked if it was below 9500
No one is going to be priced out because of premium seating though. They’ll get a GA seat that already exists today from what I understand. You’re not gonna pay me paying the premium seat price you’ll pay the GA price (or actively choose premium seating).
 
No one is going to be priced out because of premium seating though. They’ll get a GA seat that already exists today from what I understand. You’re not gonna pay me paying the premium seat price you’ll pay the GA price (or actively choose premium seating).
Not with 8k
You'll push people out
Again though, lets wait until the final plans are revealed
There's a lot of hyperbole here from all sides (myself included)
 
NIL and tickets are two separate buckets and not much, as unfortunately, we're one of the least funded NIL programs out there

Hopefully that will change one day soon with either fan buy-in or a whale donor (s) / corporations coming on board
Not if the NIL guy wants premium seating
 
then they change rules and we have 1 bad year and the RAC has 5,000 people in it
Like i said, they'll likely pre sell the boxes and loges on 3-5 year deals before any shovel is put in the ground
Same for the courtside seats
That way, people are locked in regardless of performance
vice versa, team gets on a roll, goes to some SS's, EE's, FF's, etc. and you'll see another price hike
It's simple supply / demand
The price will keep increasing, just groceries, gas, etc.
 
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How many people honestly answered “Yes I will buy that seat as a season ticket” in any of those suite and pricing questions? for 300-600 per ticket per game, talking 5-20 grand for season ticket, Id bet less than 10 percent of us, but they will simply sell to corporate One of those ticket plan designs. Our input really means little.
 
There is no experience difference 10 rows higher than where you sit today other than the people who can hear the coaches verbatim during timeouts over the speaker system.

Disagree big time.

With the slope of the RAC there is a big, big difference in 10 rows.

Also folks are gonna get pushed much higher than 10 rows if these plans were to go through.
 
Not much are you new here?
well I get your point LOL. But speaking for myself IF I ever decide to really jump in on the NIL thing (vs. small monthly commitment I have) I wouldn't do both. But then honestly my choice would be Premium Seating/Club stuff at both venues vs. pay to play stuff.
 
Disagree big time.

With the slope of the RAC there is a big, big difference in 10 rows.

Also folks are gonna get pushed much higher than 10 rows if these plans were to go through.
assuming youre saying sightlines and that the 10 row sightline difference is significantly altering your experience?

It’s funny, how i remember the history of my rutgers game attendance was the higher up i sat the better the true "game atmosphere"/home court advanatge felt. The lower i sat/prmium seating i bought the game atmosphere didnt match the higher seats but the combiantion of the hospitality and generall entertainement value was better. Ive only felt a completely different viewing experience sititing within the first 4 rows or premium. Maybe the last 5 or so rows of the 300s too though I don’t think those are ever season tickets.

But it seems people most against this are against it to preserve theatmosphere and homecourt advanatge and "charm".
 
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How many people honestly answered “Yes I will buy that seat as a season ticket” in any of those suite and pricing questions? for 300-600 per ticket per game, talking 5-20 grand for season ticket, Id bet less than 10 percent of us, but they will simply sell to corporate One of those ticket plan designs. Our input really means little.
exactly why it needed to be a more honest survey and let people express more realistic options and summary ending comments. Never gave me a chance to express what I would be willing to pay or how many games I would be willing to sign up for or any other general feedback on the plans.

I suppose it is just a wild-a$$ reach for early input. This definitely speaks to a total disconnect to the average fanbase. I think most of us saw the renovation project as an opportunity to add and expand the number of folks going to a Rutgers game. Apparently the $50milion (of the $100mm) NJ gave from us taxpayers was earmarked for the corp and premium crowd. Personally I'm in a really good spot but I don't support a renovation with what appears to be a totally unbalanced focus (on its face). Never in my mind did I ever dream of spending like $600+drinks, etc. for 2 tix to go watch a 2 hr. Rutgers BB game .
 
assuming youre saying sightlines and that the 10 row sightline difference is significantly altering your experience?

It’s funny, how i remember the history of my rutgers game attendance was the higher up i sat the better the true "game atmosphere"/home court advanatge felt. The lower i sat/prmium seating i bought the game atmosphere didnt match the higher seats but the combiantion of the hospitality and generall entertainement value was better. Ive only felt a completely different viewing experience sititing within the first 4 rows or premium. Maybe the last 5 or so rows of the 300s too though I don’t think those are ever season tickets.

But it seems people most against this are against it to preserve theatmosphere and homecourt advanatge and "charm".

Yes - I’m in the mid 200s.

10 rows below me is a much better viewpoint.
10 rows above me is a much worse viewpoint.

While the atmosphere in the 300s might be great for big games - the view isn’t great from the low 300s. It’s pretty bad from the upper 300s.

This isn’t football where sitting high up is a good thing. And the slope of the RAC makes the view get worse quickly.

Also - folks are gonna be bounced much further than 10 rows if these plans were to go through imo.
 
Yes - I’m in the mid 200s.

10 rows below me is a much better viewpoint.
10 rows above me is a much worse viewpoint.

While the atmosphere in the 300s might be great for big games - the view isn’t great from the low 300s. It’s pretty bad from the upper 300s.

This isn’t football where sitting high up is a good thing. And the slope of the RAC makes the view get worse quickly.

Also - folks are gonna be bounced much further than 10 rows if these plans were to go through imo.
Theres honestly not a bad seat in the house. I've sat in literally the last row in the 300s multiple times and you can see everything no problem. For you near sighted boomers it might be a little too far.
 
Yes - I’m in the mid 200s.

10 rows below me is a much better viewpoint.
10 rows above me is a much worse viewpoint.

While the atmosphere in the 300s might be great for big games - the view isn’t great from the low 300s. It’s pretty bad from the upper 300s.

This isn’t football where sitting high up is a good thing. And the slope of the RAC makes the view get worse quickly.

Also - folks are gonna be bounced much further than 10 rows if these plans were to go through imo.
I guess it depends on what you’re looking for when watching games. I find it similar. I expect all season ticket holders will be guaranteed season tickets, most in comparable seats, with those being displaced 10+ rows or more electing to retain those new seats. Based on season ticket sakes this year someone will find the experience similar and purchase them if a current season ticket holder elects to forego somewhat similar seats.

From what I’ve heard displacement won’t be bad.

I have eagles season tickets and mover from top of 100 level middie to bottom hundred level red zone and would rate those experienced the same along with sitting firstt rows two hundred level. Different, yes. End of day same level experience.
 
On another topic I expect the concert and other entertainment question indicates the loge seats or similar premium seating will operate as suites and grant those season ticket holders access to all other events hosted in the arena which is common at other college venue.
 
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Hobbs trapped in the bubble of mega donors which arent that many

Hobbs out of touch with average rutgers hoops fan

Also be careful...RU just 1 NCAA tourney in 40 years
25+ year season ticket holder, now in lower 100s. After supporting ineptitude for decades, will now get screwed in my later years. And I’ve given plenty.

What happens when we suck a few years? Think football and hoops….will only be small core base of larger donor in attendance…

With respect to seating, add some high roller options but don’t screw the loyal season ticket holders.
 
25+ year season ticket holder, now in lower 100s. After supporting ineptitude for decades, will now get screwed in my later years. And I’ve given plenty.

What happens when we suck a few years? Think football and hoops….will only be small core base of larger donor in attendance…

With respect to seating, add some high roller options but don’t screw the loyal season ticket holders.
Don’t understand the “what if we suck” logic. It’s more advantageous to the long term success of the program if we do this and generate more revenue than if we don’t do it. The programs performance all other things equal will not be better if we stay the same vs we update, in fact is concretely the opposite.

This is a good move from a competitive perspective.
 
25+ year season ticket holder, now in lower 100s. After supporting ineptitude for decades, will now get screwed in my later years. And I’ve given plenty.

What happens when we suck a few years? Think football and hoops….will only be small core base of larger donor in attendance…

With respect to seating, add some high roller options but don’t screw the loyal season ticket holders.
No one getting screwed. You’re going to get a good seat with that much priority points. Probably not the same seat. If anything, you had it very good for longer than fans of most programs.
 
Agree. Modifying the existing RAC to include plenty of club seating and amenities is a flawed approach imo. RU can build a brand new Jersey Mikes next door and use the current RAC until the new one opens.

Also the 300 Level seats will be a lot higher and farther away from the action under this plan.
How so? They are not raising the roof.
 
Maybe the survey is designed to highlight how major renovations and efforts to shoehorn all sorts of luxury amenities into a space not capable of accommodating them and generating lots more revenue is neither feasible or practical. Leading to one conclusion - the RAC needs to be replaced by a new facility with all the revenue-generating bells and whistles.
 
I'd be interested in knowing if Rutgers is working with any Acoustical Engineering firms, to determine the effect these changes will have on the RACs sound level. Would hate to find out all these changes muffled our home court advantage after the renovation is done.
FLKnight, I brought up the same concern in another thread. I would imagine they would and base it on design angles and materials. There is no reason not to have the sound like it is now and even louder.
 
Don’t understand the “what if we suck” logic. It’s more advantageous to the long term success of the program if we do this and generate more revenue than if we don’t do it. The programs performance all other things equal will not be better if we stay the same vs we update, in fact is concretely the opposite.

This is a good move from a competitive perspective.
OK, Nostradamus.

We will be great forever on out and the RAC will be packed forever if we do this.

In the meantime, I’ll continue to enjoy a packed RAC with a good team tonight as I have the last few years and, of course next year with arguably our best class ever coming in despite the lack of bells and whistles which are obviously needed to do so.
 
No one getting screwed. You’re going to get a good seat with that much priority points. Probably not the same seat. If anything, you had it very good for longer than fans of most programs.
We sucked for decades, the place was a morgue.

If my seats are worse and the price is highly jacked up, um no….I’m getting screwed as other long time loyal fans will.
 
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Hell bent on destroying the RACmosphere.
Hell bent on destroying loyal fan base.
Shame. All RAC needs is a nice concourse and bathrooms and if Jersey Mikes is truly our sponsor some cheesesteaks and subs all the time.
As for acoustics, they said new Garden would be just as loud after all their studies and well played architects, it’s not.
Met Life sucks
Yankee Stadium concourse is a shopping mall.
Be careful what you wish for…
Conversely, the Linc and CBP are way better than the Vet.
 
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Conversely, the Linc and CBP are way better than the Vet.
It seems generally Philly fans on this board have a better understanding of how an athletic department works than the NY fans do, sans Breslauer and others who actually conduct business on behalf of the fanbase.

New York is just a bad sports town and been that way for a long time.
 
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Conversely, the Linc and CBP are way better than the Vet.

Anything was better than the Vet lol.

CBP is word class.

The Linc is nice but it’s also just a football stadium.

The design of baseball parks is important because the weather is usually nice, the game is slow and it takes up 3-4 hours. People like to stroll around and have time to enjoy the food, take their kids for a walk or stretch their legs.

A college basketball game is only a little over 2 hours in length and aside for some time pregame and halftime there’s not much time for fans to entertain themselves unless they truly aren’t interested in the game. Based on these renderings I really do think they are being too ambitious with the premium size and potential pricing of seating….unless of course it will be filled by corporate folks who don’t care much for RU basketball and opposing teams fans who would eat up the opportunity to pay hundreds of dollars to watch their favorite front runner.
 
Agreed! If this is the path forward, and I understand why it might have to be, then just build a new arena. But please add a rink so RU Hockey can finally happen. And put it in NB near the rail hub if you want to add entertainment options.
The ideal location in NB (across from the train station) has been taken by the new HELIX project which is now under construction. Anyway, with the number of people who hate the idea of taking a train over driving, NB roads would be absolutely paralyzed by game day traffic. If you think traffic is bad getting to and from the RAC, NB would be 10x worse. I work in that area, and just yesterday all roads around there were gridlocked by around 4pm on a typical workday.
 
While at the hospitality area before tonight's game, I walked up to talk to some of our biggest donors(different ones that were not sitting together) because I was very curious of their thoughts.

Pretty much, all of them reacted negatively to the survey. I was a little surprised at their reactions. Many of them don't like that the most loyal fans for so many years might be priced out of their seats.

Best of Luck,
Groz
 
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