Rotate SU, UConn, WV, Pitt, BC, Temple for Annual Rivalry Game
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Our divisional rivalries will be bigger than ANY of those within a decade if not sooner. Even WVU.
You say "wrong". He mimics you, mocking you saying it. Then you say that saying "wrong", which is what you said, is contributing nothing as usual as if that's an insult to him? You're drunk, is that it?
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thats a pretty boring schedule. Even the novelty of the new Big Ten opponents is wearing off. This college football thing is great with regional or historic rivalry games. The challenge of staying ahead of everyone in your region is where we are at as a program . We as a program are almost trying to skip the necessary work you need to put in to be at our level. You have to dominate the other programs in your region for a few years before saying you should recruit above them. Yes, we are competing with maryland and psu, but there isn't enough distance between us and pitt, bc, and syracuse yet.
RU848789 has nailed our scheduling problem. No more bought FCS games. That leaves us with nine B1G games, plus one P5 home-and-home as per B1G scheduling guidelines. Assume we buy one Group of 5 home game every year. That leaves us one more game. How do we fill that last opening? We could...
- Buy another FBS game. That would get us to our desired seven home games. Problem is, that would be VERY pricey and others will outbid us.
- Schedule another P5 home and home. We could, but we shouldn't. Eleven P5 games is at least one too many, unless you are a masochist.
- That leaves but one option. Schedule a local Group of 5 - a team we SHOULD beat - home and home. It should be one within our recruiting footprint, so that we get some benefit from the road exposure. An easy road trip for the fans is an ancillary benefit.
One last comment - forget about playing Navy again as they have no room for us. They are committed to eleven games a year (8 AAC, Army, Air Force, ND). They are not going to give their only remaining game to a P5.
Good argument. I think Temple is a good opponent, but very risky. A loss to temple really hurts south jersey recruiting. You saw how huge temple beating pen st turned out.. It gave temple a great season and ruined pen state's. I say thats what competition is all about though.. lay it on the line every time you strap it up.
Here is the issue with this rivalry game...
1)A 9 game conference schedule, which means we will have either 4 or worse 5 away games right off the bat;
2)We cannot play a 1-AA team and giving us a guaranteed home game.
That means we cannot piss away home and homes. That will be reserved for big time games, like Washington, Miami, and hopefully even bigger fish.
Most other games we are going to buy home games or find lower level rest of five teams for 2-for-1 type deals.
That basically makes it very, very tough to schedule a team like UConn or Temple and have them expect us to play them in their stadium.
1)A 9 game conference schedule, which means we will have either 4 or worse 5 away games right off the bat;
2)We cannot play a 1-AA team and giving us a guaranteed home game.
That means we cannot piss away home and homes. That will be reserved for big time games, like Washington, Miami, and hopefully even bigger fish.
Most other games we are going to buy home games or find lower level rest of five teams for 2-for-1 type deals.
That basically makes it very, very tough to schedule a team like UConn or Temple and have them expect us to play them in their stadium.
That said, I'd like to see home-and-homes with UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU on the schedule for that OOC game. Good to remind everyone who's the best team in the Northeast, though I imagine the Lambert Trophy will take care of that year after year after year after year in another year or two.
When you make silly suggestions, it's really the rest of us who suffer.
I HATE that our fans are so naive that they think there is something to be gained by playing as OOC against an inferior opponent in an inferior conference in a location (New England / Upstate NY) that we hardly recruit.
And that we should play bc they like the restaurants in those town.
WTF.
I HATE when this topic comes up over and over.
And that we should play bc they like the restaurants in those town.
WTF.
I HATE when this topic comes up over and over.
In this thread I learned that UConn still has a football team.
There is a Pirmanti's in State College so you don't have to play Pitt. Pirmanti is so over rated. The quality has gone down hill since they really started expanding.
look no further than the constant threads about Cuse and BC on this board..who cares..why are people paying attention to them anymore..they are in our rearview
Guys, forget the freekin business aspect of it . You're taking the "sport" out of the game and making it all about the dollar signs. I just like competing against teams we have bad blood with. Maybe over time those teams will change, but first you have to beat the rivalry out of your opponent.
There is something to be gained. It is called a win.
I think our 12th game should be an OOC against an inferior opponent in an inferior conference in a location that we DO recruit.
With what appears to be a financial windfall of epic proportions on the very near horizon, the "need" for a game close to home will be gone to save money.
None of those teams have any recent history with us now which means any new fans don't see them the same way the older guys like me remember them.
I really like seeing a game with another P5 program that we have no history with instead.
None of those teams have any recent history with us now which means any new fans don't see them the same way the older guys like me remember them.
I really like seeing a game with another P5 program that we have no history with instead.
for each one:
Syracuse = Hell no! Let them rot, no need to ever play them again.
Pittsburgh = Maybe, but not needed due to playing Penn State every year.
WV = Might be worth bringing back once we get good again.
Temple = they are so close by that it is almost a extra home game. We have already signed a series with them for the future. Would be ok to sign some more after that.
Uconn = hell no, see Syracuse.
Boston College = easy win perhaps but we gain nothing from playng them.
Umass, Marshal and Buffalo = maybe but only for a 2-1 (two games at Rutgers and 1 away)
We really should focus Penn State and Maryland as our main regional rivals and forget about the Big East, IMHO.
Syracuse = Hell no! Let them rot, no need to ever play them again.
Pittsburgh = Maybe, but not needed due to playing Penn State every year.
WV = Might be worth bringing back once we get good again.
Temple = they are so close by that it is almost a extra home game. We have already signed a series with them for the future. Would be ok to sign some more after that.
Uconn = hell no, see Syracuse.
Boston College = easy win perhaps but we gain nothing from playng them.
Umass, Marshal and Buffalo = maybe but only for a 2-1 (two games at Rutgers and 1 away)
We really should focus Penn State and Maryland as our main regional rivals and forget about the Big East, IMHO.
So why have an 11th game (to use your words) against an inferior opponent in an inferior converence in a location that we DO NOT recruit?!?
Makes no sense to me!!
For our 12th game, I'd be fine with giving 2-1's to FAU and FIU, assuming that Florida is still considered a recruiting target.
You may be right. Two bought games per year might be a bit much (considering that FCS-D1AA is no longer allowed). So Rutgers would have one bought game against a low-level FBS-D1A team. The remaining game would could be someone willing to take a 2-for-1 agreement, or a home-home against another team.
I don't know if we'd want that last game to be a P5 team ... since that would mean a schedule of 11 P5 teams. So that pretty much takes ACC (Pitt, Cuse, BC) and B12 (WVU) teams off the table. Since the B1G counts UConn, Army, Navy, and Cincy toward the P5 requirement, those are also off the table for that last game. That pretty much leaves Temple as the remaining regional team.
But even if Rutgers were to schedule 2 P5 intersectional games, one from a non-eastern team plus one of the teams on Al's list, that means we would only see each of those 6 teams on average for a home-home series every 12 years. Realistically, even if we want to play all these teams regularly, we could not see Syracuse until 2028/29, and then not again until 2040/41.
Hardly the stuff that local rivalries are made of.
At that point, we might as well just schedule whichever team makes sense for the program, without regard to whether they are a former BE rival or not.
True rivalries are real, not manufactured and survive the test of time.
In spite what anyone says, Penn State will always be a rival of Pitt.
You will see it again when Pitt plays Penn State this year and over the next 3 years.
West Virginia is also a true rivalry game with Pitt and talks are underway on future scheduling of the EERS.
What I think will happen is Pitt will probably rotate Penn State and WVU on future schedules.
Rivalry games bring out the true passion of the fans and the fact that you cannot bear to lose to that OTHER team.
Michigan State was supposed to be the rival of Penn State but it never materialized as anything more than another B1G game.
At this point, I am not sure who Rutgers fans consider a true rival school and why you would not want to compete against them.
It is what make football fun (IMO).
Iowa - Iowa State
Georgia - Georgia Tech
Texas - Texas a&m
Florida - Florida State
Clemson - South Carolina
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
In spite what anyone says, Penn State will always be a rival of Pitt.
You will see it again when Pitt plays Penn State this year and over the next 3 years.
West Virginia is also a true rivalry game with Pitt and talks are underway on future scheduling of the EERS.
What I think will happen is Pitt will probably rotate Penn State and WVU on future schedules.
Rivalry games bring out the true passion of the fans and the fact that you cannot bear to lose to that OTHER team.
Michigan State was supposed to be the rival of Penn State but it never materialized as anything more than another B1G game.
At this point, I am not sure who Rutgers fans consider a true rival school and why you would not want to compete against them.
It is what make football fun (IMO).
Iowa - Iowa State
Georgia - Georgia Tech
Texas - Texas a&m
Florida - Florida State
Clemson - South Carolina
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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Will not happen unless at least some of the other P5s do so as well. Will certainly not happen as long as the SEC is only playing 8 conference games. That would put the B1G at an even greater disadvantage in terms of building up the gaudy W-L record needed to get that second semifinal bid. (Or in some years, maybe even a single semifinal bid.)
Good points.
As far as who Rutgers would consider its Rival, until 1980 it was Princeton. But with Rutgers moving up to D1A and Ivy League changing its scholarship rules, it is unlikely that Rutgers and Princeton will ever play again.
We Rutgers' migration to D1A, we played Penn State in annually from 1977 to 1995 (missing only 1980 and 81). Then almost 20 years passed before we played Penn State again in the Big Ten in 2014. But that game certainly felt like a rivalry game. But I don't know if Penn State fans would agree.While Penn State fans from eastern PA might be juiced for a game against Rutgers, I suspect that Penn State fans from western PA would be more interested in playing Pitt.
But if Rutgers were to play any of the schools listed by the OP, I don't think it would excite a whole lot of Rutgers fans. Even the OP suggests the primary advantage of scheduling these games is easy road trips.
There might be a minor interest in a game against Syracuse from the Syracuse side, because a lot of Syracuse alumni live in the NY metro area (not to be confused with the false statement that a lot of people in the NY metro area are Syracuse fans). There might also be some interest in a game against WVU because there was always a lot of fun banter between RU and WVU fans based on stereotypes of each state.
Other than that, excluding a handful of fans with personal ties with the other schools, I don't think anyone would really care about a game against one of the other schools on the OP list, other than the fact that it would be one of the games on our schedule.
A rivalry develops over extended periods of time and becomes a tradition.
However, for both schools to consider it a rivalry it also has to be somewhat competitive over time.
Rutgers and Penn State could develop over time but at the moment I do not believe Penn State fans would consider it so because of the one sided margin of victory.
Penn State vs Rutgers: Penn State 26-3.
At the moment I would think that Syracuse would be considered a rival because of the fever it brings to Rutgers fans when discussing them.
Syracuse vs Rutgers: Syracuse 30-12-1 Still favoring the cuse but competitive.
Compare that to Pitt vs WVU and Penn State.
Penn State vs Pitt: Penn State 50-42-4 Last Game played: Pitt 12 Penn State 0
Pitt vs West Virginia: Pitt 61-40-3. WVU won the last game played.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
I don't think we have ever had a real mutual rivalry.
Probably will never be on on the Cal/Stanford, OSU/Michigan, Army/Navy level when everybody on both sides knows exactly who their key challenger is.
All the years we looked at Princeton they were focused on Ivy rivals.
During our Big East period some things developed a little bit but never really gelled on both sides. Sure we didn't like 'Cuse, BC, or later UConn but they didn't care much about us. WVU wasn't spending any time worrying about losing to us.
Not sure if, or when, something will develop in the B1G-East, obvious choices being MD and PSU. Though the Nits think they should be rivals of Michigan or OSU (more inflated self regard on their part) likewise I imagine the Terps would look toward PSU over us.
Until we find someone that wants to beat us as bad as we want to beat them, and we swap some wins and losses with them, it's going to be kinda thin.
Does anybody think of Indiana as a football rival?
Probably will never be on on the Cal/Stanford, OSU/Michigan, Army/Navy level when everybody on both sides knows exactly who their key challenger is.
All the years we looked at Princeton they were focused on Ivy rivals.
During our Big East period some things developed a little bit but never really gelled on both sides. Sure we didn't like 'Cuse, BC, or later UConn but they didn't care much about us. WVU wasn't spending any time worrying about losing to us.
Not sure if, or when, something will develop in the B1G-East, obvious choices being MD and PSU. Though the Nits think they should be rivals of Michigan or OSU (more inflated self regard on their part) likewise I imagine the Terps would look toward PSU over us.
Until we find someone that wants to beat us as bad as we want to beat them, and we swap some wins and losses with them, it's going to be kinda thin.
Does anybody think of Indiana as a football rival?
Rutgers did rivals way back in the day, Lehigh, Lafayette, Columbia and Princeton. Even older Steven's Tech and NYU. But of course we can no longer play those schools.
Since 1978 we have played Penn State, Temple, Army, West Virginia nearly every year. When we joined the Big East some of those went away. We were never the main event for those schools however.
That being said when Penn State decide to schedule a series of games with their old rivals, They picked Rutgers, Cuse and Pitt, so we were a part of that group in their eyes.
WVU main rival is Pitt, but they also consider us a long time rival as well.
For Army, it will always be Navy and Air Force 1st and foremost, but Rutgers is also right there after them.
Temple always looked forward to playing us.
But, since joining the Big Ten, it is time to make Penn State into a major rivalry (actually beating them will help) and Maryland is always off to a nice start with two epic comeback games.
Since 1978 we have played Penn State, Temple, Army, West Virginia nearly every year. When we joined the Big East some of those went away. We were never the main event for those schools however.
That being said when Penn State decide to schedule a series of games with their old rivals, They picked Rutgers, Cuse and Pitt, so we were a part of that group in their eyes.
WVU main rival is Pitt, but they also consider us a long time rival as well.
For Army, it will always be Navy and Air Force 1st and foremost, but Rutgers is also right there after them.
Temple always looked forward to playing us.
But, since joining the Big Ten, it is time to make Penn State into a major rivalry (actually beating them will help) and Maryland is always off to a nice start with two epic comeback games.
