RU Baseball weekend series in S.Carolina

[Abro1975]

RU gets to leave the snow filled Northeast and travels down to South Carolina to play:

Friday 4pm - Spartanburg South Carolina (not the Gamecocks, lol)
Saturday 2pm
Sunday -Noon

RU is currently 2-7. S.Carolina SPARTANBURG is 5-7.

Full story with links to follow the action:
https://scarletknights.com/news/2019/3/7/baseball-travels-to-usc-upstate.aspx

 

[Mr_Twister]

Friday postponed - inclement weather.
USC Upstate roster includes a player from Manalapan NJ (infielder Chris Rodriguez), as well as players from South Carolina, California, Georgia, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Iowa, Colorado, Indiana, and countries Canada, New Zealand, Netherlands.
Head coach Matt Fincher was a long-time assistant coach of the Chatham A’s of the Cape Cod Baseball League. Given the geographical makeup of his roster he must have kept busy on summer days as a travel consultant.
Or maybe one of the benefits of coaching in the Cape Cod Baseball League is making baseball recruiting connections all over.
Do any of our coaches assist in the CCBL?

 

[rufeelinit]

Seems to me we have watered down the OOC schedule somewhat and still are not very good.

 

[Mr_Twister]

The Miami part of the schedule is a bad idea. Annually.

 

[bigmatt718]

Seems to me we have watered down the OOC schedule somewhat and still are not very good.

Which is why Litterio will be history after the season. Softball made a solid hire, now its time for Hobbs to do the same for baseball.

 

[rufeelinit]

The Miami part of the schedule is a bad idea. Annually.

Disagree. It was fine when Fred Hill had it going here.

 

[rutpsychward]

Disagree. It was fine when Fred Hill had it going here.

there is nothing wrong with playing 1 or 2 top teams out of conference it is baseball not football. also with a real coach we would be winning in conference and loses in aseries out of conference would mean very little.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Varsity vs. JV when you open with Miami. Would be interesting to learn W-L record of Fred Hill’s teams vs. Miami.

 

[rutpsychward]

Varsity vs. JV when you open with Miami. Would be interesting to learn W-L record of Fred Hill’s teams vs. Miami.

it doesnt matter. it is a series in baseball we had a losing record against them with hill. losing a series or two against top teams is worth seeing that level. And with hill it was top 25 team vs good team. No it is varsity vs jv/ just like it is against many average teams in the middle of the season. When you have a joke of a coach, that is what happens. We looked like we didnt belong on the field vs odu.

 

[biazza38]

Varsity vs. JV when you open with Miami. Would be interesting to learn W-L record of Fred Hill’s teams vs. Miami.

Who cares. We should play at least one really talented team. We’ve been playing them for over 10 straight year. It’s only three games. It’s not like every OOC game we play is against top talent

 

[RUsince52]

The Miami part of the schedule is a bad idea. Annually.

Only for us. It's like a practice game for them. Except for warm weather, what do we really gain ?

 

[rutpsychward]

Only for us. It's like a practice game for them. Except for warm weather, what do we really gain ?

We gain seeing a top quality team early in the season. It would give a good coach like hill a real sense of his lineup and starters. except clown doesnt actually have set starters or a lineup. He uses a half dozen pitchers every game and changes the lineup every game. Also the notion that we just get blown off the field most seasons is wrong. Sure they have a large advantage however we absolutely can play with them when we are good.

 

[RUsince52]

We gain seeing a top quality team early in the season. It would give a good coach like hill a real sense of his lineup and starters. except clown doesnt actually have set starters or a lineup. He uses a half dozen pitchers every game and changes the lineup every game. Also the notion that we just get blown off the field most seasons is wrong. Sure they have a large advantage however we absolutely can play with them when we are good.

Just seems like early practice for us and their in mid season form.
I agree, HC has to learn something from playing them.

 

[rutpsychward]

Just seems like early practice for us and their in mid season form.
I agree, HC has to learn something from playing them.

that is going to be the case with any southern team. Even with the indoor facility you wont have been able to play full games like those teams. So even a average team would still be mid season compared to teams from the northern climate. It is valuable in my opinion to see where we are. And if used correctly a valuable measure.

 

[Abro1975]

RU drops a close one, 1-0. Rutkowski gives up 1 ER and strikes out 8. RU gets only 8 hits.

https://www.upstatespartans.com/sports/m-basebl/2018-19/boxscores/20190309_k460.xml

 

[zappaa]

Lots of 0 fors and strikeouts.
Bad for Scoring runs:scream:

 

[Mr_Twister]

Getting smoked and being the doormat for Miami every year is dumb. Schedule them after we’ve demonstrated we have something. Otherwise punching bag status of program persists. Not what we need.

 

[knights1212]

We did win the second game 8-7. We are now 3-8 on the season.

 

[RUTrack94]

Two one run games ... good to see the rebound win ... on another note the softball team is quietly on a 6 game winning streak, including a pair of 9-1 wins!

 

[rutpsychward]

Getting smoked and being the doormat for Miami every year is dumb. Schedule them after we’ve demonstrated we have something. Otherwise punching bag status of program persists. Not what we need.

First of all it is baseball. You continue to disregard that fact. Losing a series is not a big deal. And we didnt get smoked plenty of seasons. We were also in conference with them.

Two one run games ... good to see the rebound win ... on another note the softball team is quietly on a 6 game winning streak, including a pair of 9-1 wins!

yeah they made a legit hire. Non alumni. I hope we see the same. Someone who actually has a track record of success, not a track record of horrible losing at wagner.

 

[JimmyJack39]

RU getting pummeled in the rubbermatch

 

[rutpsychward]

I am sorry it is enough with soto. He has a bunch of errors and literally has 1 hit this season. He cannot play at this level. Let welsh play and live with the errors. he is hitting like .035 and is leading the team in errors.

 

[Mr_Twister]

rutpsychward ... only Rutgers Athletics would schedule a 3-game season-opening series with Miami. Our leadership needs a scheduling lobotomy. We are at a point where we might lose a three-game series to Kean and William Paterson baseball.
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[rutpsychward]

rutpsychward ... only Rutgers Athletics would schedule a 3-game season-opening series with Miami. Our leadership needs a scheduling lobotomy. We are at a point where we might lose a three-game series to Kean and William Paterson baseball.
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That is absurd. 50-55 games who cares if you lose a series to miami. First of all it used to be a conference game and it is a tradition. We are only a joke against them because the program has a joke of a coach that has killed the program.

 

[huskersalways]

rutpsychward ... only Rutgers Athletics would schedule a 3-game season-opening series with Miami. Our leadership needs a scheduling lobotomy. We are at a point where we might lose a three-game series to Kean and William Paterson baseball.
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Nebraska schedules that way. This year they play on the road or neutral site against #7 Oregon St. #8 Mississippi St. #11 Texas Tech, and #25 Baylor and 15-0 Arizona St.

 

[biazza38]

rutpsychward ... only Rutgers Athletics would schedule a 3-game season-opening series with Miami. Our leadership needs a scheduling lobotomy. We are at a point where we might lose a three-game series to Kean and William Paterson baseball.
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What the heck is wrong with that? Last year we won one of the three and we actually discovered a weekend starter in Eric Heatter out of it. This year, we’re just way worse than we should be since players were dismissed. This series gets booked in advance fyi

 

[rufeelinit]

Fred Hill always had a tough OOC schedule. Besides Miami we would play Georgia Tech, ODU and others early in the season as a way to get ready for the conference schedule. It was not unusual for us to be near .500 going into conference play. He expected to win the conference and thus make the post season most years. You would think that scheduling approach would also be attractive from a recruiting perspective. More so than playing USC- Spartanburg or other northern schools at neutral sites down south.

One other thing, I might be remembering this incorrectly, but I think Miami kept its baseball program out of the Big East when they were a member for other sports.

 

[zappaa]

When you have draft picks for pitchers, you can play anyone.
When you don’t you get your ass beat.
When the core of our pitchers and lineup are considered draft pick worthy, we will do fine, but until then we’ll suck for the most part.

 

[rutpsychward]

Fred Hill always had a tough OOC schedule. Besides Miami we would play Georgia Tech, ODU and others early in the season as a way to get ready for the conference schedule. It was not unusual for us to be near .500 going into conference play. He expected to win the conference and thus make the post season most years. You would think that scheduling approach would also be attractive from a recruiting perspective. More so than playing USC- Spartanburg or other northern schools at neutral sites down south.

One other thing, I might be remembering this incorrectly, but I think Miami kept its baseball program out of the Big East when they were a member for other sports.

exactly. That also might be true about them not being in conference. The issue is that we happen to suck at the moment because we dont have a quality head coach. There is plenty to gain with playing top teams out of conference. Now in the big ten I wouldnt want the same schedule hill had because we are likely to play 1 or 2 top 25 teams each season in conference. However a series is valuable to see what your lineup is doing. To get a sense of your starters. To see how far you are.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Hobbs needs to fix baseball.

Baseball has too much history and tradition here to be this bad.

 

[rubaseball78]

Just took a glance at the stats for the season. Hard to believe zero home runs after 12 games (and a team 219 batting average). With a team ERA of 7.40 surprised we even won 3 games.

 

[huskersalways]

exactly. That also might be true about them not being in conference. The issue is that we happen to suck at the moment because we dont have a quality head coach. There is plenty to gain with playing top teams out of conference. Now in the big ten I wouldnt want the same schedule hill had because we are likely to play 1 or 2 top 25 teams each season in conference. However a series is valuable to see what your lineup is doing. To get a sense of your starters. To see how far you are.

You have to schedule tough in the Big 10 because the conference is so weak if you want an at large bid to the NCAA field you have to play some top teams OOC and win. Just doing well in conference doesn’t help you. The Big 10 is getting better but still down the ladder in comparison to others. Weak OOC schedule + Big 10 schedule = no post season.(unless you win the conference tourney)

 

[biazza38]

It’s going to be really bad this year. Maybe 5 conference wins and a bunch of embarrassing mid week losses

 

[rutpsychward]

It’s going to be really bad this year. Maybe 5 conference wins and a bunch of embarrassing mid week losses

I agree. For a baseball salary this shouldnt be needed we didnt need a complete wasted year just to not fire the coach a season earlier.

You have to schedule tough in the Big 10 because the conference is so weak if you want an at large bid to the NCAA field you have to play some top teams OOC and win. Just doing well in conference doesn’t help you. The Big 10 is getting better but still down the ladder in comparison to others. Weak OOC schedule + Big 10 schedule = no post season.(unless you win the conference tourney)

I think you area little extreme. More like one or two at large beyond conference champ.I agree in general. However, unfortunately we arent concerned with ncaa at this point.

 

[huskersalways]

I agree. For a baseball salary this shouldnt be needed we didnt need a complete wasted year just to not fire the coach a season earlier.


I think you area little extreme. More like one or two at large beyond conference champ.I agree in general. However, unfortunately we arent concerned with ncaa at this point.

How is it extreme? I said if you want an at large bid. Yes, the Big 10 generally gets 3 sometimes 4 teams in. Them teams have played a fairly difficult OOC schedule to boost their SOS because the Big 10 is so weak. Doing well in the Big 10 slate doesn’t gain you much for SOS or RPI for post season consideration

 

[HeavenUniv.]

We are the State University of New Jersey and a member of the Big Ten Conference !!! We need to stop acting like some small time school like Fordham,Drexel,Hofstra,etc. There is no reason we shouldn't be playing out of conference schools like Miami and the schools the Cornhuskers schedule. I have no idea if the problem is the Coach or our ,ehem, "stadium", but Augie Garrido couldn't get good players to play in that joke of a facility. My nephews have played travel ball in dozens of youth,high school and college facilities and they have really cutting edge things like lights, concession stands, and actual bathrooms that don't look like something you keep your lawn mower in. I am not saying we will become Arkansas,South Carolina,LSU, but if Lakewood, Augusta, and Bridgewater can have real ballparks, then the State University can have SOMETHING better than Bainton Field. I know the money is not in yet, but I certainly hope actual plans have been drawn up and it isn't just rumours I have been hearing the past few years. After the college season is over, we need to use that facility as much as possible for youth,travel,amateur and high school games,showcases,camps, and All-Star games. As many good New Jersey kids need to be familiar with our facilities and campus. AND our fans need to stop acting so small time.

 

[nikoru09]

We are the State University of New Jersey and a member of the Big Ten Conference !!! We need to stop acting like some small time school like Fordham,Drexel,Hofstra,etc. There is no reason we shouldn't be playing out of conference schools like Miami and the schools the Cornhuskers schedule. I have no idea if the problem is the Coach or our ,ehem, "stadium", but Augie Garrido couldn't get good players to play in that joke of a facility. My nephews have played travel ball in dozens of youth,high school and college facilities and they have really cutting edge things like lights, concession stands, and actual bathrooms that don't look like something you keep your lawn mower in. I am not saying we will become Arkansas,South Carolina,LSU, but if Lakewood, Augusta, and Bridgewater can have real ballparks, then the State University can have SOMETHING better than Bainton Field. I know the money is not in yet, but I certainly hope actual plans have been drawn up and it isn't just rumours I have been hearing the past few years. After the college season is over, we need to use that facility as much as possible for youth,travel,amateur and high school games,showcases,camps, and All-Star games. As many good New Jersey kids need to be familiar with our facilities and campus. AND our fans need to stop acting so small time.

couldn't agree more.....its embarrassing really.....a blue chipper will not give us a look, sad to say...they really had a bad game plan on how to compete in the big ten...probably had no plan. lets just wing it. a bunch of snobby uptight arseholes...is it too late to play catch up, we shall see.

 

[Abro1975]

For the most part it isn't easy to recruit decent players to NE schools where the weather is awful for half the regular season, and all the preseason. preseasonl. And it's expensive. About 20 games down south, for about 25 players and coaching staff, all requiring Air Fare, Hotels, and Meals. Same is true for Softball. Not a penny received in ticket sales as far as I know.
Syracuse , Temple and Wisconsin gave up on Baseball.

FYI :

Seton Hall baseball 1-9
St Johns Baseball 3-9
UConn Baseball 7-6
Stony Brook Baseball 3-6
Boston College Baseball 8-6
Syracuse - no baseball program (only 7 men's sports)
Temple - no baseball
Princeton - 1-6
Penn 4-4
Delaware 1-13

Maryland 8-5
Penn St 9-3 (6 wins against Monmouth and Fairfield)

Here's an interesting one:
Women's Rowing has 75 Ladies on the Roster. 75 !! I have no idea how many full or partial schollies are given. I'm guessing mostly partial.
12 rowing matches total, most in NJ or driveable.
75 ! I had no idea lol
edit found this:
"Women's rowing is an equivalency sport so partial scholarships can be awarded in any proportion to meet the limit per school; for example, an NCAA Division I team can award 40 rowers each a 1/2 scholarship and still meet the NCAA school limit of 20.

Men's and Women's Golf don't play any matches in Piscataway or NJ for that matter, everything is a road trip requiring air fare and hotels.
Forget about charging admission, I don't know of anyone who's ever even seen an RU Golf Match. Have any of you?

 

[huskersalways]

We are the State University of New Jersey and a member of the Big Ten Conference !!! We need to stop acting like some small time school like Fordham,Drexel,Hofstra,etc. There is no reason we shouldn't be playing out of conference schools like Miami and the schools the Cornhuskers schedule. I have no idea if the problem is the Coach or our ,ehem, "stadium", but Augie Garrido couldn't get good players to play in that joke of a facility. My nephews have played travel ball in dozens of youth,high school and college facilities and they have really cutting edge things like lights, concession stands, and actual bathrooms that don't look like something you keep your lawn mower in. I am not saying we will become Arkansas,South Carolina,LSU, but if Lakewood, Augusta, and Bridgewater can have real ballparks, then the State University can have SOMETHING better than Bainton Field. I know the money is not in yet, but I certainly hope actual plans have been drawn up and it isn't just rumours I have been hearing the past few years. After the college season is over, we need to use that facility as much as possible for youth,travel,amateur and high school games,showcases,camps, and All-Star games. As many good New Jersey kids need to be familiar with our facilities and campus. AND our fans need to stop acting so small time.

High schools are only allowed to use a university’s field if it is in a state playoff game. The school can host camps but you just can’t let schools or travel teams come have games at your facilities. NCAA says it’s a no no. I do think they can have an all star game at them. NU hosts the State championship games on theirs and that’s all they are allowed to host.

 

[rutpsychward]

How is it extreme? I said if you want an at large bid. Yes, the Big 10 generally gets 3 sometimes 4 teams in. Them teams have played a fairly difficult OOC schedule to boost their SOS because the Big 10 is so weak. Doing well in the Big 10 slate doesn’t gain you much for SOS or RPI for post season consideration

Extreme was regarding your view of the conference. I think it is a bit better even without a strong schedule the conference is good enough that the top 3 or so teams should qualify. rutgers getting back to an ncaa type contender would only help. In general we agree. strong scheduling is good.