So Michigan camp with recent Mich DC hire from Boston College #1 Defense in the country won't have a pull?
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So Michigan camp with recent Mich DC hire from Boston College #1 Defense in the country won't have a pull?
"would you rather go to Paramus Catholic's camp, or the one that has multiple coaches and staffs present"
You realize the PC camp has 6 programs present while the Rutgers camp has 3 Right?
You realize Syracuse and BC don't count, right?:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Not saying that this is a point that weighs in favor of either competing, but i'm not sure that the 6 vs. 3 number is correct/final either. For one thing, it is hard to imagine that FDU won't be present at the camp taking place at their own facilities.
I'm sure both staffs will have a pull. As a poster pointed out previously, there are some other local issues with PC though and Partridge in particular. At a minimum, his/their practices are perceived as polarizing for NJ football coaches. So having him associated with an event (by having it at his previously employer's facilities) will cause strong feelings both ways.
Though Ash is new to NJ, it seems he is well aware of the Partridge/PC effect and sought to capitalize on it.
That is probably one big factor that caused this camp competition -- I'm sure others include the Ash/Ohio St v. Michigan angle.
No one is stopping a player from going to PC if they want to be exposed to 8 programs.
Actually, it is likely that the "competing camps" on the same day will actually benefit the lowest level players. There will be more total players involved in the two camps in total than there likely would have been at one combined. So I don't know that it is a disservice to most of the players.
I understand your sympathy for those players but they have a choice to make. Wow that's life isn't it, what a great early learning experience. However, this move needed to be made, Ash couldn't play 2nd fiddle to michigan and that's exactly what it would have been at PC's camp. Their president chose who would get top billing when he invited jimmy boy to be the commencement speaker, then said O but you have to invite RU. Like we're poor little Oliver Twist asking for more.
The man has walked into this state and taken who he has wanted a message needed to be sent that we're going to fight for every recruit and not lay down. I suppose you would have liked us to just lay down and play 2nd fiddle at their camp. I got an idea tell PC to hold their camp on another day. It's our state after all, we should be able to pick what ever day we want or do we have to schedule around PC/michigan in our own friggin state in your opinion. Don't even try the but they were 1st crap.
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I would be very surprised if several smaller schools don't en dup at the Rutgers OSU camp.. Some mid majors and d2.
Of course the meechigan fan (thevictors) finds a problem with the OSU-Rutgers-Temple camp. But I wonder what Harbaugh is going to do about this. Who will be the surprise additions to his camp to grab the spotlight now? Predictions? His brother?
Technically I think BC counts as half a program since they don't play offense. [roll]
With more schools showing, I would put the advantage to the Michigan camp anyways. If he brings along some NFL names, it is a no brainer. It actually was lame of Ash. Had he run it another day, kids could of attended both.
It doesn't matter, when push comes to shove, Harbaugh can run up the score, and everything works out. Ash isn't Meyer. He doesn't have the horses to be pushing an agenda vs Michigan. More so, knowing full well Jim isn't afraid to put his foot on the pedal, the last he should push for is a pissing contest. To each his own I suppose.
college football is cut-throat business. Every move is calculated and Ash and Meyer made this latest move with the intent to destroy. Its one of those old schoolyard fights when the kid says, "Im going to get my uncle after you!" The NJ media and powerful hs football coaches in the state are on board with ash and company - and the public display of this affection is nice to see.
The stakes are way higher than ever before in the Big Ten now that the tv money is being finalized and we know that it will be us and the sec fighting for the throne. There is absolutely no reason why anyone in a free market should take a backseat to anyone else, whether mich or osu. The smaller programs will need to get creative and sometimes you need to pick fights with the big guys (but in this case, michigan started it)
By recruiting in NJ? lol
Rutgers has landed 15 players in the top 15 from NJ going back to 2010 (7 recruiting classes). Michigan not counting 2016 had landed 3 top 15 from NJ in that time. So the fact that they landed 4 of your top 10 last year means they started something? Why don't you have a problem with every other team that has raided NJ for years and much more effectively than Michigan outside of one year?
Here's a tip:
Good teams recruit nationally (and internationally even). So you can have your recruiting classes be 80% NJ kids all you want but at the end of the day it won't help you beat schools that get kids from all over the country. Rutgers has 9 commits, 8 from NJ and 1 from NY. Michigan has 12; 4 from MI and then so far 1 from Colorado, New Mexico, Florida, New Jersey, Alabama, Massachusetts, Georgia, Connecticut, and Quebec.. "Fence the garden" all you want. It will get you middle of the pack status at best in the B1G. Also, thanks for the top NJ recruit in back to back years and 3 of the last 4 years.
Stick your tip up your arse. Michigan HS football sucks, that's why you guys need nearby Ohio and everywhere else.
Harbaugh has disdain for convention and the rules. He is going to cheat and get caught. And Western Michigan will then feel the wrath of the NCAA.
Care to explain why good programs like Alabama only has 2 Alabama recruits out of 9 so far?
Or why Ohio State only has 5 Ohio recruits out of 13?
Or why Clemson only has 1 out of 10 recruits from SC?
Perhaps why Pedo State has 2 of 8 from PA?
Is it because Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Ohio and Alabama's high school football sucks too? Or is it because good programs recruit nationally?
Also excuse the double post but explain this:
Michigan; 1 five star player, 8 four star players, 29 three star players
New Jersey; 0 five star players, 4 four star players, 29 three star players
2016 rankings, from 247sports.
Which only goes to show that Michigan doesn't have any good high school recruits (especially after MSU takes them all) and so you have to hit the road and find players elsewhere. Us, on the other hand have a ton of well coached strong and fast players. We never have to leave the state. And so here is a tip for you, improve your high school academic and athletic support systems and maybe you won't have to leave your state either.
Read the post above you, friend. MI has better recruits than NJ.
Also of Michigan's top 5 players 2 have already commited to UM, another 2 are Michigan leans and the last is 50/50. (http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Fo...Rankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MI)
So your assertion that MSU gets the better players is baseless no matter how far you go back give or take a couple years:
http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Fo...Rankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MI
http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Fo...Rankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MI
http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Fo...Rankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MI
http://247sports.com/Season/2013-Fo...Rankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MI
http://247sports.com/Season/2012-Fo...Rankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MI
http://247sports.com/Season/2011-Fo...Rankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MI
MSU landed their best class ever last year and were only ranked 18th. They've NEVER out-recruited Michigan which doesn't mean anything of course cause we had great classes with Hoke and the team sucked. But you're arguing recruits and said MSU gets the best players which just isn't factual. To be fair I started lurking this board after the game last year and the hilarity and delusion has kept me coming back and I know most of you don't use facts in your arguments so it's okay.
1-1, yet outscored 73-42 and more to come.
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They must have better players since they beat you 7 of the last 8 times including last year with your little darling Jimmie. He's got to be a glutton for punishment, I hear he's traveling down to Australia to try to find another Butterfingers O'neill.
A defensive move by Ash for sure. But one that needed to be done. If Harbaugh is a grown up, he knows this.
If he chooses to run up the score it is Rutgers job to stop him. But, if Harbaugh CHOOSES to try to humiliate kids who are playing hard, that speaks volumes about his character.
There is really no debating this, one upping Coach Ash at camps or recruiting is a part of his job. Running up the score only proves he is an assh***.
I live and work in bergen county and both the town I work in and the town I live in (where I actually know the head coach well) are going to the RU/OSU camp...they are not preventing players who want to go to the PC camp from going but they are strongly encouraging against it, and as of now are unaware of any players who are going to the PC camp...the coach I know has a pretty strong distaste for Partridge and PC
1. Make a false statement that MSU gets better recruits.
2. I show you this is incorrect and in the very same post say that recruiting doesn't really matter but you made it your argument which is the only reason I'm talking about it.
3. You reply telling me how recruiting doesn't matter cause MSU wins.
Please keep up, I already made your point before you. Any other baseless arguments or are we done here?
Go away. Rutgers isn't a threat to... oh wait, Rutgers is something to you because you are here defending Crazy Harbaugh. No one has time to spend on UM board because it's an afterthought. Btw, the quality of recruits is what matters. Care to compare Michigan to NJ... I think not.:boxing:
Changing the subject back to HS football, what public HS coach want to expose his top players to Paramus Catholic? Plus three of NJ top Parochial HS programs have already come out and said the whole heartedly support the ASH/FDU camp, they also do not want to provide PC with any type of recruiting advantage. It is as much about that as anything else. From a recruiting perspective Harbaugh at PC helps PC but pisses off all the other top Parochial programs. Harbaugh would have been far smarter to pick a neutral sight ala Chris Ash. So far Ash is a very smart dude.
Ran up the score? Michigan was up only 19 and scored with 11 minutes left in the 3rd and went for 2 to make it a 4 touchdown game. Sorry it hurt your feelings. They then went on to a run heavy offense and scored a whopping 6 points the rest of the game. Just because Rutgers sucks and got blown out doesn't mean the opponent runs up the score. Michigan could have EASILY scored 70 that game if they kept the starters out there and ran their normal offense. I was at that game and that defense was a sieve.
It's ridiculous posts like these that actually made me create an account. I can't believe people think like this. The game thread last year and the posts since make me laugh. Such delusion and self entitlement from a program that hasn't done shit in over 100 years of it's mediocre existence.
not by recruiting in NJ, thats not the problem here. Anyone can recruit wherever they want. Its the way its being done that has people uneasy. You most likely aren't as tied in to the jersey hs football scene, but coach harbaugh and company have taken a sleazy approach to recruiting the area and many in the state aren't cool with it. Keep in mind that NJ has been open to outside programs for years, we don't care about that, but we know a crook when we see it and thats what people are seeing in the mich staff right now.
Game on - this is what college football recruiting is these days and we are willing to play. And please stop dismissing your program as you have been. We are a talent rich state that has just recently taken big time football seriously.
Scroll up. Michigan has a 5 star, 8 four stars and 29 three stars, Rutgers has no 5 stars, 4 four stars and 29 threes.
Yes, we are done here. I'm getting tired of F'ing with you. You're too easy to get riled up. I wouldn't want to make you break out the pie charts.
You know what I find funny is how UM fans are claiming the competing camp to be run by Ohio State and not Rutgers. They even went as far to mock the parochial coaches for backing Ash. Oh wait, I thought it was Ohio State's camp?:rolleyes: plus the parochial coaches are jealous of Paramus Catholic and Partridge success. Talk about being clueless[roll] classic example of living in a bubble from yesteryear.:(
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Oh sorry, providing facts is frowned upon. Let's keep saying things as if they're true and then maybe they will be! You have information at your finger tips, use it.
See ya in the fall. Maybe you'll keep the game interesting this time.
Yes, because it all about the kids.
Right, your guy is the model of selfless devotion to young men.
How many of all recruits end up making the NFL let alone high draft picks? It doesn't compare. Also it been documented the process of evaluating HS talent is bias against the northeast. Btw, does UM *ss still hurt from my cousin Zeke Elliott from running over under and through you....[cheers]
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Easy, the comment about running up the score was by another poster. I should have clarified.
I was addressing IF Harbaugh used that to "get back" at Ash, it was an insult to the kids and not a shot at our Coach.
Touchy touchy.
But, if you don't like the comments on the RU board, might I suggest, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
OSU fans were right about MOST of your ilk. Nasty people.
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