RU, OSU, Temple to Hold Camp

[thevictors97]

Wrong again! RU football is very profitable. I would call $8 million in 2014 and more the last 2 years very profitable. The actual figures are not a secret. As bad as Basketball has been it's still profitable. It's the other sports that hemorage money that we would probably have to cut if there was no subsidy to supplement the profits that come from the revenue sports. Try to do a little research before you quiot talking points from some idiot that intentionally misrepresents the facts to drive an agenda.

*8 million In "profit" Given The B1G revenue share was $12 Million does not paint a very pretty picture. The research I chose was from NJ. I thought that would give Rutgers posters a familiar source.
So tell me how much of the overall subsidy went to the football program?

The B1G payout will continue to grow for 5 more years until Rutgers gets a full share. Talk is the payout will grow to over $45 Mil per team.

 

[RUTBAY]

*8 million In "profit" Given The B1G revenue share was $12 Million does not paint a very pretty picture. The research I chose was from NJ. I thought that would give Rutgers posters a familiar source.
So tell me how much of the overall subsidy went to the football program?

The B1G payout will continue to grow for 5 more years until Rutgers gets a full share. Talk is the payout will grow to over $45 Mil per team.

The answer is none. Football generates more revenue than it consumes in expenses.

 

[Wolv RU]

Wolv
"Maybe if Rutgers didn't bleed money from football, Coach Ash could do half as much and you'd all love it and you know it"
Not my quote.
As to larger profits are concerned. They are a guarantee. As I was advised Rutgers only received $12Mil from the B1G last year. Goes up every year for 6 years until full Pay out. Should be about $45Mil.

I wasn't suggesting Rutgers would not spend to compete. Historically they have. I am suggesting it will take some time and big money to bring facilities to a competitive level with many in the B1G. Step 1 was bringing in Ash. Comes off the Meyer coaching tree and knows what it takes to succeed at the highest level. I'm sure he has submitted his wish list to the AD. Now question is how fast can it get done.

I see looking back that it was not your quote. Sorry for the mix-up.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Ran up the score? Michigan was up only 19 and scored with 11 minutes left in the 3rd and went for 2 to make it a 4 touchdown game. Sorry it hurt your feelings. They then went on to a run heavy offense and scored a whopping 6 points the rest of the game. Just because Rutgers sucks and got blown out doesn't mean the opponent runs up the score. Michigan could have EASILY scored 70 that game if they kept the starters out there and ran their normal offense. I was at that game and that defense was a sieve.

It's ridiculous posts like these that actually made me create an account. I can't believe people think like this. The game thread last year and the posts since make me laugh. Such delusion and self entitlement from a program that hasn't done shit in over 100 years of it's mediocre existence.

That's right we haven't done s#it yet your coach decided to go for 2 up by 4 TDs in the second half. I too was in the building and that was bush league. Even worse was concocting some BS story about how RU players were taunting Michigan players in the tunnel at halftime to justify his call. Glad Peppers got to score on offense too and celebrate in the endzone because he looked like a complete jabroni when he was taunting the home RU crowd in 2014 as his team was losing to Rutgers on the field.

Let's face it...the winningest program in college football history and their new head coach who happens to be an alum of the program/school was still sore that they lost to "sucky" Rutgers the year before for RU's first ever Big Ten victory and wanted to pile on. Everyone knows it. Call it like it is and let's move on.

 

[hiwater]

*8 million In "profit" Given The B1G revenue share was $12 Million does not paint a very pretty picture. The research I chose was from NJ. I thought that would give Rutgers posters a familiar source.
So tell me how much of the overall subsidy went to the football program?

The B1G payout will continue to grow for 5 more years until Rutgers gets a full share. Talk is the payout will grow to over $45 Mil per team.

From New Jersey? None of the subsidy went to the football program. All of the money that football made after expenses went toward bringing down the subsidy or supporting other sports.

 

[thevictors97]

That's right we haven't done s#it yet your coach decided to go for 2 up by 4 TDs in the second half. I too was in the building and that was bush league. Even worse was concocting some BS story about how RU players were taunting Michigan players in the tunnel at halftime to justify his call. Glad Peppers got to score on offense too and celebrate in the endzone because he looked like a complete jabroni when he was taunting the home RU crowd in 2014 as his team was losing to Rutgers on the field.

Let's face it...the winningest program in college football history and their new head coach who happens to be an alum of the program/school was still sore that they lost to "sucky" Rutgers the year before for RU's first ever Big Ten victory and wanted to pile on. Everyone knows it. Call it like it is and let's move on.

Harbaugh was not the coach when Mich lost to Rutgers. That was a Brady Hoke team. Thinking Harbaugh didn't care.
This year he may care. Ash being an ex OSU coach. Harbaugh is from the Bo coaching tree and Bo never ran up the score. Hope that is the case this year.
On the other hand Ash may pull a rabbit out of his hat! NAH. Who knows you could become Rival # 3 behind OSU and MSU. Off to a good start.

 

[srru86]

I became aware of the Rutgers football perceived financial position from a report on the cost of CFB about a month ago by Bryant Gumble.

You went with Gumble/HBO as a credible source on this topic? We expect better from our football betters.

It featured Rutgers and a couple of your professors as an example.

Not your fault Gumble did not explain those guys are faculty union agitators. Not credible.

 

[thevictors97]

You went with Gumble/HBO as a credible source on this topic? We expect better from our football betters.

Not your fault Gumble did not explain those guys are faculty union agitators. Not credible.

Busted! Guilty as charged.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Harbaugh was not the coach when Mich lost to Rutgers. That was a Brady Hoke team. Thinking Harbaugh didn't care.
This year he may care. Ash being an ex OSU coach. Harbaugh is from the Bo coaching tree and Bo never ran up the score. Hope that is the case this year.
On the other hand Ash may pull a rabbit out of his hat! NAH. Who knows you could become Rival # 3 behind OSU and MSU. Off to a good start.

I know JH was not the coach when RU beat UM. But JH is and always be a Wolverine and I'm sure he did not like his alma mater losing to RU, even if he wasn't the coach. I mean it's just not supposed to happen. Whether he ran it up or not, it's clear he and a certain staff member have made recruiting nj a priority. That's great. Helps legitimize RU even more.

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

Even worse was concocting some BS story about how RU players were taunting Michigan players in the tunnel at halftime to justify his call.

Harbaugh never said that.. Peppers did. Harbaugh justified it as following the chart, which in that scenario does indeed say go for 2. Stop them. Running up the score is airing it out and playing starters well into the 4th when the games over. Michigan didn't do that. They scored 6pts the last 21 minutes of the game when they could have easily scored 21. Ohio State attempted to run up the score vs Michigan last year with less than 5 minutes left by throwing inside the 20yd line on 4th down.. No one here cried. It's big boy football. If anything is bush league, it's crying about teams "running up the score" especially in scenarios like the Rutgers/UM game.

Who knows you could become Rival # 3 behind OSU and MSU. Off to a good start.

Uh.. Notre Dame? Minnesota?

The Little Brown Jug alone has more history than Rutgers. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

All jokes aside 99% of Michigan fans don't care about Rutgers. The only reason I even dislike them is from reading this forum and the nonstop discussion of UM and hatred. The average fan does not read forums like us and doesn't dislike Rutgers anymore than the Illinois', Purdue's and the Northwestern's of the Big Ten. That's not a knock on Rutgers, it's just what it is right now. Rutgers fans put a lot more stock (rightfully so) into beating UM in 2014 than Michigan fans do. Michigan was awful by their standards that year and lost to freaking Minnesota and Maryland at home, so no one really holds ill will on Rutgers for that. Hell, Toledo and App State are more hated than Rutgers still. Winning obviously can change that but I don't see Rutgers beating UM consistently enough. Maybe they spoil a couple seasons for Michigan though down the road, then you have the possibility of starting something.

 

[ruready07]

Uh.. Notre Dame? Minnesota?

The Little Brown Jug alone has more history than Rutgers. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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You're talking to the school who not only birthed college football, but also invented the helmet sticker - tiny brown jug holds no water around these parts.

dont be taken by surprise when Rutgers fields a team that can march into your stadium and hand out a beatin. We have good football here (fast,tough, smart), and all it takes is a couple of recruiting classes to get things going. My prediction is that in 3-4 years, the 2019/2020 seasons, Rutgers will be a very dangerous game for anyone in the big ten. See you then

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

You're talking to the school who not only birthed college football, but also invented the helmet sticker - tiny brown jug holds no water around these parts.

It was a joke, bro. Lol
And the jug does hold water. 5 gallons, actually.

The only time most Michigan fans care about the jug is when we lose it once every 20 years.

 

[ruready07]

It was a joke, bro. Lol
And the jug does hold water. 5 gallons, actually.

The only time most Michigan fans care about the jug is when we lose it once every 20 years.

Oh I know, and a funny one at that. I was kinda busting balls as well. The small brown jug is a nice rivalry trophy - and I know things like that are important to schools with little actual university history.
Thanks for our first big ten win, we'll never forget you.! (I'm messing with you)

 

[srru86]

Harbaugh was not the coach when Mich lost to Rutgers. That was a Brady Hoke team.

You're welcome.

And we are still waiting for the appreciation gift from the Maize N' Blue faithful for our role in helping to ensure Mr. Hoke departed Ann Arbor. Even a card or note would be nice.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Michigan was awful by their standards that year and lost to freaking Minnesota and Maryland at home, so no one really holds ill will on Rutgers for that. .

Michigan wasn't good in 2014, that is true. But no more awful than they were during Dick Rod's 3 years. I've heard opposing fans (not necessarily UM fans but Cuse, PSU and ND fans trying to discredit our innaugural Big Ten season) say RU beat "Michigan's worst team in a century". That was hardly the case. I'd argue the Dick-Rod Era was worse. You can proclaim Brady Hoke sucked but look at the head coach who was roaming our sidelines during that game as well.

Truth of the matter is Michigan hasn't been "Michigan" since before the App State loss. You've had some moments for sure but it just hasn't felt the same. That said, I 100% believe you will be back to that level this year and every year that JH is there. When JH moves on, and take it to the bank he will do so much sooner than you prefer, it will be interesting to see what happens to UM.

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

Michigan wasn't good in 2014, that is true. But no more awful than they were during Dick Rod's 3 years. I've heard opposing fans (not necessarily UM fans but Cuse, PSU and ND fans trying to discredit our innaugural Big Ten season) say RU beat "Michigan's worst team in a century". That was hardly the case. I'd argue the Dick-Rod Era was worse.

I'm not trying to discredit the season or win I was just saying why the vast majority of Michigan fans don't dislike Rutgers despite the loss like it seems like some Rutgers fans think. People already wanted Hoke fired, so Rutgers winning actually probably made a lot of fans feel not so bad about the loss. I've only not watched two Michigan games dating back to 2007. One was the Rutgers game in 2014 (Went to a movie with my wife, heard snippets on radio), the other was the Maryland game in 2014 (was in Hawaii with my wife and was not worth waking up at 6am for). People just really tuned out.

Rich Rod was certainly worse, but that was new for Michigan. People wanted Rodriguez fired immediately and he seemingly tried to make people angry with his lack of regard towards the traditions/history of UM football. It's a big part of why he was fired after 3 seasons despite an improving record. Hoke regressed all 4 seasons here (Rich Rods team won him 11 games his first year) and the time 2014 rolled around people were just ready for a change, a change that seemingly could include Harbaugh since his situation in SF was public knowledge.

 

[thevictors97]

You're welcome.

And we are still waiting for the appreciation gift from the Maize N' Blue faithful for our role in helping to ensure Mr. Hoke departed Ann Arbor. Even a card or note would be nice.

Doing my part. Gave your post a like :{)

 

[RUnTime]

I'm not trying to discredit the season or win I was just saying why the vast majority of Michigan fans don't dislike Rutgers despite the loss like it seems like some Rutgers fans think. People already wanted Hoke fired, so Rutgers winning actually probably made a lot of fans feel not so bad about the loss. I've only not watched two Michigan games dating back to 2007. One was the Rutgers game in 2014 (Went to a movie with my wife, heard snippets on radio), the other was the Maryland game in 2014 (was in Hawaii with my wife and was not worth waking up at 6am for). People just really tuned out.

Rich Rod was certainly worse, but that was new for Michigan. People wanted Rodriguez fired immediately and he seemingly tried to make people angry with his lack of regard towards the traditions/history of UM football. It's a big part of why he was fired after 3 seasons despite an improving record. Hoke regressed all 4 seasons here (Rich Rods team won him 11 games his first year) and the time 2014 rolled around people were just ready for a change, a change that seemingly could include Harbaugh since his situation in SF was public knowledge.

Yeah whatever. You need to find a new hobby, the Princeton debating team is a bit south of here. You would kinda fit right in there, although maybe not.

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

Yeah whatever. You need to find a new hobby, the Princeton debating team is a bit south of here. You would kinda fit right in there, although maybe not.

You seem upset.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Michigan hired a freaking high school coach as their linebackers coach..good luck with that. Your nj recruiting has already slowed down since you weren't able to get Bo Melton or Micah Clark with the guys breathtaking recruiting prowess around the state.

 

[thevictors97]

Michigan hired a freaking high school coach as their linebackers coach..good luck with that. Your nj recruiting has already slowed down since you weren't able to get Bo Melton or Micah Clark with the guys breathtaking recruiting prowess around the state.

Actually they hired him for the recruiting staff and he delivered Peppers and Gary As well as 6 of the top 10 players in NJ. When there was an opening on the staff he was hired as an assistant Coach. Where do you suppose many college assistant coaches get there start? Let me help. HS
I realize Partridge is not loved in NJ but he succeeded at the HS level then succeeded as a college recruiter. Harbaugh gave him a shot.
Do you really think Harbaugh has trouble getting coaches to work for him?
As your so sure Mich. can't recruit NJ why so concerned about a couple camps in NJ?
PC camp opened with 400 registered day 1 up to 25 college programs represented. Mich won't be offering a lot of kids if any but with all the programs represented and number of kids I'm sure there will be lots of scholarships offered. This may or may not be Michigan is there but if the result is a large number of kids get offers that may not have. As I have preaching that is the value of all these camps.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Actually they hired him for the recruiting staff and he delivered Peppers and Gary As well as 6 of the top 10 players in NJ. When there was an opening on the staff he was hired as an assistant Coach. Where do you suppose many college assistant coaches get there start? Let me help. HS
I realize Partridge is not loved in NJ but he succeeded at the HS level then succeeded as a college recruiter. Harbaugh gave him a shot.
Do you really think Harbaugh has trouble getting coaches to work for him?
As your so sure Mich. can't recruit NJ why so concerned about a couple camps in NJ?
PC camp opened with 400 registered day 1 up to 25 college programs represented. Mich won't be offering a lot of kids if any but with all the programs represented and number of kids I'm sure there will be lots of scholarships offered. This may or may not be Michigan is there but if the result is a large number of kids get offers that may not have. As I have preaching that is the value of all these camps.

Yea harbaugh could get someone to work for him. And with Michigan's resources for some reason he still chose a highschool coach..aren't you in a spot where you should be making a conference run? Seems like a risky move.

 

[Shimmy24]

Michigan hired a freaking high school coach as their linebackers coach..good luck with that. Your nj recruiting has already slowed down since you weren't able to get Bo Melton or Micah Clark with the guys breathtaking recruiting prowess around the state.

You mean the double legacy and the guy whose (lower level) brother you offered?

I'm not saying that Melton or Clark aren't going to be good (I really like Bo), but don't act like neither of them had secondary reasons to choose Rutgers other than the fact that they liked the school/staff.

And for the record, that shouldn't stop you from being happy. Ash has done a nice job so far, but just pointing out that adding those two guys specifically doesn't really show that UM all of a sudden is not going to pull high level NJ commits.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Actually they hired him for the recruiting staff and he delivered Peppers and Gary As well as 6 of the top 10 players in NJ. When there was an opening on the staff he was hired as an assistant Coach. Where do you suppose many college assistant coaches get there start? Let me help. HS
I realize Partridge is not loved in NJ but he succeeded at the HS level then succeeded as a college recruiter. Harbaugh gave him a shot.
Do you really think Harbaugh has trouble getting coaches to work for him?
As your so sure Mich. can't recruit NJ why so concerned about a couple camps in NJ?
PC camp opened with 400 registered day 1 up to 25 college programs represented. Mich won't be offering a lot of kids if any but with all the programs represented and number of kids I'm sure there will be lots of scholarships offered. This may or may not be Michigan is there but if the result is a large number of kids get offers that may not have. As I have preaching that is the value of all these camps.

Peppers committed to Hoke before CP was on staff, just want to clarify that. And of course UM, OSU, ND and the SEC schools will get an NJ player here and there. What we need to do now is build depth at every position, which means getting a good chunk of the NJ kids, not just the top player. Not saying we didn't want Gary but UM already has depth and can add a kid like Gary to be the difference maker. We aren't there yet. We need to be able to box out schools like PSU, VT, Miami, UVA, UNC, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska and yes even Pitt. I won't even mention the names of the two puke stain ACC schools up north because they are no longer relevant or worthy of discussion. The Michigans,OSU's and ND's of the world will always get theirs but that's no different than any other state. We box out the aforementioned schools, namely PSU, and we will be in really good shape.

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

Ash has done a nice job so far, but just pointing out that adding those two guys specifically doesn't really show that UM all of a sudden is not going to pull high level NJ commits.

Such as Drew Singleton. The number one NJ recruit.

 

[miketd1]

No matter how big your stadium is, how much money your programs bring in, or if you hold 100 camps, you guys are in the same boat as we are: the big boat of programs that are not national title contenders.

UM and RU are both trending the right way, and UM is significantly ahead, but let's face it: neither program is close to OSU or the SEC heavyweights.

I suppose you already know this. Which is probably why you feel the need to compensate by puffing your chest about beating Rutgers for recruits.

It's a testament to just how far you've fallen and how much Rutgers has risen as programs.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Guys- arguing with Mich fans on this is just stupid. Kids will select Mich over Rutgers for a number of reasons. Number one pull for the NJ kids is the prestige of the Michigan degree. (Though, most don't realize that they may be asked to take a watered down major), regardless, the degree is worth a lot. And then you do have history on the football field.
Now, on the other hand...JH wowed some kids last year with his crazy superstar antics. But it has started to catch up with him in state. Many of these kids are now asking- "is it worth it to go up there to play for this guy?" He is a great football mind but he is heartless.
What we need to do as a school/program, is show kids the benefits of staying home and that they will even have a better experience and reward here. We cant compete with the degree and history. We are getting closer with the degree and Rutgers is pretty damn good but not Stanford, duke or Michigan.

 

[polecat]

Harbaugh was not the coach when Mich lost to Rutgers. That was a Brady Hoke team. Thinking Harbaugh didn't care.
This year he may care. Ash being an ex OSU coach. Harbaugh is from the Bo coaching tree and Bo never ran up the score. Hope that is the case this year.
On the other hand Ash may pull a rabbit out of his hat! NAH. Who knows you could become Rival # 3 behind OSU and MSU. Off to a good start.

Bo ran it up on Mike White and Illinois 70-21 because Mike White was an arse.

 

[polecat]

No matter how big your stadium is, how much money your programs bring in, or if you hold 100 camps, you guys are in the same boat as we are: the big boat of programs that are not national title contenders.

UM and RU are both trending the right way, and UM is significantly ahead, but let's face it: neither program is close to OSU or the SEC heavyweights.

I suppose you already know this. Which is probably why you feel the need to compensate by puffing your chest about beating Rutgers for recruits.

It's a testament to just how far you've fallen and how much Rutgers has risen as programs.

I would say that UM will be in that conversation very soon.

 

[miketd1]

I would say that UM will be in that conversation very soon.

Get in line. There are only four seats to that table and OSU & Bama own two of them.

 

[thevictors97]

Yea harbaugh could get someone to work for him. And with Michigan's resources for some reason he still chose a highschool coach..aren't you in a spot where you should be making a conference run? Seems like a risky move.

Or just possibly Harbaugh felt he was a good coach. That of course remains to be seen. No matter there are some pretty high end defensive coaches around him to see he doesn't get to far off the tracks. The 2 that come to mind are Brown and Mattison. Reduces the risk a bit.
Hoping to be in the B1G championship game this year but as you are aware The east division of the B1G is a tough place to make a living.

 

[thevictors97]

Probably not going to be a popular question but here goes,

How are things with the TriState Showcase? I live in AZ so not a lot of coverage. Have not heard of coaches added, registration numbers and the like. Not trying to be a jerk but it's gone kinda quiet.

 

[CNJKnight]

Probably not going to be a popular question but here goes,

How are things with the TriState Showcase? I live in AZ so not a lot of coverage. Have not heard of coaches added, registration numbers and the like. Not trying to be a jerk but it's gone kinda quiet.

Not trying to be a jerk either but your blowhard coach and his cronies are making sure everyone knows that they reached the limit of the camp. You do that when you are looking to puff your chest out because of insecurity.

Our camp is doing fine. The HS coaches are bringing their kids with them and there are going to be a ton of kids at the camp. Ash, Meyer and Rhule just don't need to tell the universe how it's going to go. But not trying to be a jerk.

 

[miketd1]

Not trying to be a jerk but it's gone kinda quiet.

 

[thevictors97]

Not trying to be a jerk either but your blowhard coach and his cronies are making sure everyone knows that they reached the limit of the camp. You do that when you are looking to puff your chest out because of insecurity.

Our camp is doing fine. The HS coaches are bringing their kids with them and there are going to be a ton of kids at the camp. Ash, Meyer and Rhule just don't need to tell the universe how it's going to go. But not trying to be a jerk.

So you have not heard either?
Not puffing my chest I asked a simple question. Believe me in AZ where I live Rutgers does not get a lot of coverage.
Of course when asked a question, not answering and deflecting to another subject is what happens " because of insecurity" Now I'm being a jerk but you have to admit you earned it.

 

[rutgersdave]

Like our Penn State friends these guys insist we don't register on their radars then spend a bunch of effort explaining why that is so. Again like the Nits they can't understand why everyone does not assume they are in it for selfless reasons.
MGOBlog
WAR ON RUTGERS
They definitely did not realize what we could have told 'em. Mr. Partridge brings somebaggage. They are about to get mired in the swamps of Jersey (prep football).

Penn State and Michigan will become our new Syracuse and Pittsburgh in the future, 3-4 years from now, when Rutgers becomes competitive enough and we win a few more games. If you think their fans are critical now wait a few years. Penn State and Michigan can not both success since their objectives require them both to be second place in the Big Ten East.

 

[Scarlet4ever]

So you have not heard either?
Not puffing my chest I asked a simple question. Believe me in AZ where I live Rutgers does not get a lot of coverage.
Of course when asked a question, not answering and deflecting to another subject is what happens " because of insecurity" Now I'm being a jerk but you have to admit you earned it.

Until this year I have never heard camps report what their capacity is or how full they were. Ever. Have you? I haven't heard anything since most of the jersey coaches said they were supporting the Rutgers led camp.

I'm not worried about attendance if that's what you're thinking.

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

Harbaugh adds John Harbaugh and Ravens coaches to the Paramus camp.

Also announced recently were camps in Utah and Las Vegas. Harbaugh has 36 camps (43 if you count the ones in Ann Arbor) covering 21 states and 3 countries in the month of June.

Michigan AD said today the majority of this money is from donors specifically for this purpose.

 

[LevaosLectures]

Harbaugh adds John Harbaugh and Ravens coaches to the Paramus camp.

Also announced recently were camps in Utah and Las Vegas. Harbaugh has 36 camps (43 if you count the ones in Ann Arbor) covering 21 states and 3 countries in the month of June.

Michigan AD said today the majority of this money is from donors specifically for this purpose.

Does Michigan not have its own board?

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

Does Michigan not have its own board?

This is a thread about Rutgers response to Michigan's Paramus Catholic camp... Harbaugh just added John Harbaugh to it. It's relevant. Keep crying, though.