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Rutgers Greed: Not letting water bottles in
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Schiano might be the mastermind behind the bag policy. Here are fans and bags in last stadium where Greg was head coach.
I went to Yankee Stadium two weekends ago with three children. We each bought a water bottle from a hawker outside of stadium. 4 bottles for $10. No line or hassle bringing them into stadium. We refilled the bottles several times inside the stadium at the many water bottle filling stations on the concourses. Very helpful for keeping kids interested on a summer day sitting in the sun for several hours.
Why does Rutgers invoke "in conjunction with Homeland Security" when arguably the most famous stadium in the country, Yankee Stadium, uses a more liberal policy effectively?
Fire the Rutgers individuals responsible for failed policies and replace them with leaders who can improve the customer experience at Rutgers sporting events.
I went to Yankee Stadium two weekends ago with three children. We each bought a water bottle from a hawker outside of stadium. 4 bottles for $10. No line or hassle bringing them into stadium. We refilled the bottles several times inside the stadium at the many water bottle filling stations on the concourses. Very helpful for keeping kids interested on a summer day sitting in the sun for several hours.
Why does Rutgers invoke "in conjunction with Homeland Security" when arguably the most famous stadium in the country, Yankee Stadium, uses a more liberal policy effectively?
Fire the Rutgers individuals responsible for failed policies and replace them with leaders who can improve the customer experience at Rutgers sporting events.
Good question. My situation is that I have a serious food allergy that has cross-contamination risks, coupled with a relatively easy to manage medical condition that can have fairly rapid bad consequences if I don’t manage my diet. Either can, and has, landed me in the hospital. In short, it’s risky for me to eat anything from a concessions stand and also can be a little risky for me to go hours without eating anything. I also have to keep hydrated and not run low on electrolytes (sugar free Gatorade in hot weather!).
There are millions of people in similar boats - Peanut and gluten allergies. Diabetics. Restricted diets. IBS. Etcétera - who deal with their diet on a daily basis. It can be a pain in the ass at times and nobody wants to have extra obstacles needlessly placed in front of them to attend something that is supposed to be for entertainment.
I forget exactly which year it was that RU implemented policies that made it all a hassle. Was it 2017? I and others had permission to enter with necessaries through a different gate. Some days I had to deal with a Barney Fife type of guard who had no idea what what my medical bracelet said or what I explained but he’d throw back his shoulders, sniff, and let me pass. Other days I’d get a Greg Niedermeyer on a power trip who’d grill me on stuff just because he could. I always was let to pass, but in the back of my mind I knew there might come a day/time when some a-hole wouldn’t let me bring my little bit of supplies in, so I quit buying tickets.
My story isn’t unique. Add to that the parents of young kids who are picky eaters (Dad, I ALWAYS have chocolate milk with my hot dog!) for whom it’s a PIA to deal with the policies and a list of others who have reasons to want to bring in snacks and you have a lot of potential customers being turned off to attending RU FB.
Wrong. Literally everyone has no re-entry as a rule.
PSU: no re-entry https://dl.icdst.org/pdfs/files/35a4d6c1317ac3ba63cbfb0b289dc006.pdf
Michigan: no re-entry https://mgoblue.com/sports/2022/8/23/michigan-stadium-football-information
Ohio State: no Re-entry https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/2022/4/11/az-guide
MSU no re-entry. https://msuspartans.com/sports/2018/9/13/football-gameday-information.aspx
USC: no re-entry. https://www.lacoliseum.com/building-policies/
Giants stadium: https://www.metlifestadium.com/guest-services/a-z-guide#Re-Entry Policy
If the team is going to be poor, which is detrimental to fan experience, you really don't want to go out of your way to piss off your remaining customers in other ways.
I don’t think anyone is saying non-clear bags should be allowed. The issue is ticket-holders who bring clear bags (that Rutgers sold them) are being told their wallet, which is in their clear bag, can’t come in. And that’s after they have to wait on a specific bag line for an hour. Will the line be 90 minutes when we play Washington? Two hours? Sure, people can try to carry everything in their pockets, but that's impossible for some fans (as many have explained in this thread).
Why can I bring my seat cushion in, but people in the bag line are told to trash their everyday wallets? My seat cushion is passed around the metal detector and no one checks it. It's easier for me, but that's another example of how this is just security theater. Why not have all the bags go through the metal detectors we added? That's what other stadiums do.
What changed between last season and this season that made Rutgers decide clear bags are still allowed but only at two gates? Why is Rutgers so different from MetLife, Citizens Bank Park, Yankee Stadium, and Citifield? Maybe we are trying to fall in line with the Big Ten?
Let's see:
Michigan State- clear bags allowed, one 20-oz water bottle allowed. No separate lines for bags
Penn State- Clear bags allowed, gate entrance not limited. Ticket holders without bags can bypass the bag check stations at each gate
Maryland-clear bags allowed. "No Bag Lines" exist at each Gate.
Ilinois- clear bags allowed, no separate lines noted
Indiana- clear bags allowed, no separate lines other than for diaper bags/non-clear medically necessary bags
Iowa- clear bags allowed, no separate lines noted
Michigan- no bags at all. Special permission forms are filled out ahead of time for expedited entrance with medically necessary bags.
Minnesota- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
Nebraska- clear bags allowed, empty water bottles allowed. No separate bag lines.
Northwestern- clear bags allowed, no separate bag lines
OSU- no bags. Non-clear wallets and wristlets no larger than 5”x8”x1” are permitted.
Oregon- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
Purdue- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
UCLA- clear bags allowed. A 32-oz sealed water bottle OR an empty reusable water bottle is allowed. No separate lines.
USC- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
Washington- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
Wisconsin- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
The only schools with policies more prohibitive/less fan-friendly than Rutgers are OSU and Michigan. Until we have a product like them I don't think a poor gameday experience is what we should be aiming for.
Why can I bring my seat cushion in, but people in the bag line are told to trash their everyday wallets? My seat cushion is passed around the metal detector and no one checks it. It's easier for me, but that's another example of how this is just security theater. Why not have all the bags go through the metal detectors we added? That's what other stadiums do.
What changed between last season and this season that made Rutgers decide clear bags are still allowed but only at two gates? Why is Rutgers so different from MetLife, Citizens Bank Park, Yankee Stadium, and Citifield? Maybe we are trying to fall in line with the Big Ten?
Let's see:
Michigan State- clear bags allowed, one 20-oz water bottle allowed. No separate lines for bags
Penn State- Clear bags allowed, gate entrance not limited. Ticket holders without bags can bypass the bag check stations at each gate
Maryland-clear bags allowed. "No Bag Lines" exist at each Gate.
Ilinois- clear bags allowed, no separate lines noted
Indiana- clear bags allowed, no separate lines other than for diaper bags/non-clear medically necessary bags
Iowa- clear bags allowed, no separate lines noted
Michigan- no bags at all. Special permission forms are filled out ahead of time for expedited entrance with medically necessary bags.
Minnesota- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
Nebraska- clear bags allowed, empty water bottles allowed. No separate bag lines.
Northwestern- clear bags allowed, no separate bag lines
OSU- no bags. Non-clear wallets and wristlets no larger than 5”x8”x1” are permitted.
Oregon- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
Purdue- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
UCLA- clear bags allowed. A 32-oz sealed water bottle OR an empty reusable water bottle is allowed. No separate lines.
USC- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
Washington- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
Wisconsin- clear bags allowed, no separate lines
The only schools with policies more prohibitive/less fan-friendly than Rutgers are OSU and Michigan. Until we have a product like them I don't think a poor gameday experience is what we should be aiming for.
@jtung230 - the City of Asbury Park schooling Rutgers and you on how to enhance a customer experience. See what they did in response to complaints about last year's Sea Hear Now Festival, a family friendly event, like college football games are supposed to be. You see, being tone deaf is a bad look and bad for business. Everybody but Rutgers and you realize that.
There will be four additional delay towers with speakers to carry the sound of the music unimpeded on the beach, and two new video towers on the beach to bring fans closer to the visuals — plus other changes including more exits on and off the beach, improved signage, and less smoking in the crowd.
“We’re going to crack down on smoking,” said Asbury Park Deputy Mayor Amy Quinn. “It's a family-friendly event because people bring their kids there, so we need a little less smoking.”
The beach near the front of the main Surf Stage, where Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band are playing on Sunday, Sept. 15, will be a no blanket zone. The city and festival organizers collaborated on tweaks for the this year's fest, Quinn said.
“Last year, we got more complaints then we've gotten in previous years, and as a result I asked people to email me concerns they had with the festival. And I can tell you many of the concerns were implemented into this year’s festival,” Quinn said.
There will be four additional delay towers with speakers to carry the sound of the music unimpeded on the beach, and two new video towers on the beach to bring fans closer to the visuals — plus other changes including more exits on and off the beach, improved signage, and less smoking in the crowd.
“We’re going to crack down on smoking,” said Asbury Park Deputy Mayor Amy Quinn. “It's a family-friendly event because people bring their kids there, so we need a little less smoking.”
The beach near the front of the main Surf Stage, where Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band are playing on Sunday, Sept. 15, will be a no blanket zone. The city and festival organizers collaborated on tweaks for the this year's fest, Quinn said.
“Last year, we got more complaints then we've gotten in previous years, and as a result I asked people to email me concerns they had with the festival. And I can tell you many of the concerns were implemented into this year’s festival,” Quinn said.
New Sea Hear Now experience awaits Bruce Springsteen in Asbury Park. Here's the schedule
Sea Hear Now has undergone a subtle makeover since last year.
www.app.com
Not sure this is apples to apples. I’m sure there will be complaints about the no blanket zone. Where will all the children sit?@jtung230 - the City of Asbury Park schooling Rutgers and you on how to enhance a customer experience. See what they did in response to complaints about last year's Sea Hear Now Festival, a family friendly event, like college football games are supposed to be. You see, being tone deaf is a bad look and bad for business. Everybody but Rutgers and you realize that.
There will be four additional delay towers with speakers to carry the sound of the music unimpeded on the beach, and two new video towers on the beach to bring fans closer to the visuals — plus other changes including more exits on and off the beach, improved signage, and less smoking in the crowd.
“We’re going to crack down on smoking,” said Asbury Park Deputy Mayor Amy Quinn. “It's a family-friendly event because people bring their kids there, so we need a little less smoking.”
The beach near the front of the main Surf Stage, where Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band are playing on Sunday, Sept. 15, will be a no blanket zone. The city and festival organizers collaborated on tweaks for the this year's fest, Quinn said.
“Last year, we got more complaints then we've gotten in previous years, and as a result I asked people to email me concerns they had with the festival. And I can tell you many of the concerns were implemented into this year’s festival,” Quinn said.
New Sea Hear Now experience awaits Bruce Springsteen in Asbury Park. Here's the schedule
Sea Hear Now has undergone a subtle makeover since last year.www.app.com
Perhaps the interim AD and Greg Schiano should be sued for enforcing a policy at Rutgers football games that discriminates against women and new parents.
FTC, F.A.M.I.LY Trust Chop.
Make it easier for families to enjoy the games, have policies fans can trust won't ruin the gameday experience, and chop the employment of Rutgers leaders who can't or won't make it happen.
A non-clear bag in a clear bag makes sense to you? That’s circumventing the rules. Wallets and purses can go in through the bag line. Just need to be the right size. I don’t get the security risk to all this stuff. I assume RU hires a security company that handles this. The seat cushion thing is interesting. Easy way for RU to say no since they sell that service for additional revenue. But they allow it.
You really want to die on the Rutgers is in the right hill, don't you.
The point is they LISTENED to the complaints of patrons, and ACKNOWLEDGE AND ADDRESSED complaints. Rutgers is crickets, and seemingly getting worse. We avoid the issues because we have club seats, but we are considering giving up our club seats, but if we see this nonsense continue with the clear bag lines, we may just pack it in and not go to games.
I still like you cause you have a cool truck. 😂 BTW, the Tesla adapters are shipping out again, and they are moving through the orders quickly.
What is the ask? It sounds like a bitch session. I do it all the time. But where is the low hanging fruit for RU?
The asks are clear:
1. Allow patrons to bring in a sealed water bottle 16.9 oz or less.
2. Ditch the clear bag only lines-they are a disaster. There was nothing wrong with the old system. Why did they put in a fix for something that was not broken. For that matter, why is this even needed if fans are walking through metal detectors. We went to a concert in Atlantic City Friday night, and people had huge, non-clear bags. Metal detectors work.
3. Tell the gate personnel to stop acting like they are the jury, the judge and the jailors and to use a little bit of discretion. A wallet that is 1/2" too long and contains medical papers is not a threat to anyone.
4. Rutgers athletics should have people on staff checking the volume level in different sections of the stadium. It can be ridiculously loud. Maybe it is not where you are at. I wear an earphone in one ear to listen the the Rutgers broadcast. On some days, I have to move the earphone to the ear facing the large scoreboard because the sound is so loud that I cannot hear the broadcast.
Probably missed some. The above are VERY EASY fixes, but RUTGERS DOES NOT LISTEN, and they will lose fans. You and Rutgers seem fine with that.
Like I mentioned before. RU probably hired an outside company to run security and these are their measures. Not likely to be changed. Not sure why that’s an easy fix? I think #4 is a reasonable ask but the money to upgrade sound system makes it tough to solve. I mean, you are at a football game where they ask people to be loud.
I didn't paste every stadium's policy, but every clear bag stadium allows clutches/wallets inside the clear bag. The size varies from "about the size of a hand" to "around 6.5-8"' depending on the stadium. Only the two non-bag stadiums prohibit wallets/clutches, too. Meanwhile, Rutgers has some gate attendees telling women their 7" wallet needs to go in the trash. So weird.
The security claim is so bizarre. Rutgers gonna Rutgers, but then they will increase seat donations or something to make up for the lack of sales.
I’m certainly not trying to downplay the hassle of the bag line. I put out a PSA here after the 1st game telling everyone it’s a disaster. However, fans need to take on the responsibility to follow the rules. Clear bags and wallet/clutches are allowed if it’s the right size. I hate it when they ask me to dump my beer before I get to the ticket scanners. Clearly I can finish it before I reach them.
I am feeling good about my decision to not go to a game this year.
I think OSU and Michigan rule may be more about the tiny seat width of 18 inches for OSU and 17 inches for Michigan and correspondingly tight legroom. Who can pull anything from a bag when you cannot move your arms.
For clarity - not trying to make this about my individual experience. I'm a Rutgers fan and will attend what games I can without complaint. My family - pretty much the same.
However - my thoughts on this are really about Rutgers generating a more enjoyable fan/entertainment experience - rather than one that would potentially turn off fans or future fans. It's not any one specific issue - rather a confluence of both issues and circumstance. Just from this board alone.....
- Absolutely No food or water allowed (and yes - other stadiums in the area do allow this - for instance was recently at Yankee Stadium and brought in Food/Water)
- Limited Bag Check lines with long waits (up to 60 minutes)
- Setting up a Boardwalk area for fans/kids and giving out prizes - only to have them confiscated and taken away from kids at the stadium gate
- Inconsistency in rules - for instance seat cushions are allowed in but not clutch bags or purses that are 7 inches long.
- Examples of heavy handed security measures - for example - making woman dump out their contents and potentially showing feminine hygiene products.
- Not understanding that woman don't always have "pockets" to carry a wallet/credentials and may require both a "clear bag" and a small clutch purse/wallet.
- Constant loud music or piped in noises at almost all times when a play is not going on
- Very expensive concessions - in many cases higher prices than professional sports venues in the area
While any one or small group of these issues may not be a problem - when the list grows (and grouped together) it likely becomes problematic in terms of the overall fan entertainment factor. Combine that with Rutgers Football not currently in a position of leverage in terms of tradition of winning nor having a consistently full stadium and/or waiting list of potential suiters. Currently the season tix probably are around 20K so there is a ways to go. It's been brought up in this thread (by others) that we should not care about casual fans. To me - that's the wrong approach. In addition to supporting the current ticket holders - Rutgers should also be continually striving to cultivate and grow the base by attracting new fans even if casual.
Some will say that winning will cure everything - however what does that really mean? To me - consistent significant jumps in attendance might require the program to be at a level where fans are looking forward to Rutgers competing for BIG Championships. 7-8 overall wins with 3-4 wins in conference is not going to get us there IMO.
The bag and security issues need to be fixed. It appears fans haven't gone to other college stadiums, as the music at PSU is 10x louder and more annoying due to the stupid cat roar. Many college and pro stadiums play a lot of music now and at high volumes. That said, there's always room for improvement.
SIAP: How many collegiate football stadiums across the nation allowed you to bring your own personal, or purchased water bottle, in through their gates?
A poster above itt listed many B1G school policies and lots allow it.
Michigan doesn't allow anything brought in, but they have free hydration stations on the concourse where they give out plastic cups of water. Even at very big games, the hydration stations have no wait and tons of cups of water in the table to take. If Rutgers wants to not allow water in, this is a nice gesture.
Nebraska has hydration stations as well.
Great....I don't want to see any of you complaining paying for $15 beers or seltzers then, lol!!!
*** credit goes to @Scarlet Shack for this comment!!!
Boston College, if you got in before kickoff, bottled water was $1, not the $5 or $6 or more charged by Rutgers.
Alumni Stadium, 2 (?) years ago, was THE SINGLE WORST CFB experience of my life. Impossible to get into the stadium, concourses half the size of ours, lines at concessions took half a quarter to get something, and students passed out everywhere (or puking or pissing). So...yeah....$1 water bottles!!! WOOOHOOOO!!!
*** YES, worst than The Rent!!!
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