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Hey Boogie,

Thanks for the kind words and civil tone! One thing that happens on threads is that the history behind comments sometimes gets lost. My comment about the Ivy Presidents calling off fall sports was in response to someone attacking Holloway and saying that he wasn't in agreement with better university presidents. I responded that he was in agreement with what I think we can all agree is the top academic league in the world. Nothing more than that. Then it kind of devolved into whether the ACC is a stronger league academically than the B1G, which it demonstrably isn't, but it does have 4 very good schools.

As to Duke and the academies, well, one at a time. Duke has decided to have students return to campus, feeling that the sense of community engendered is more important than the risk involved (you can read what he's said on this: https://www.dukechronicle.com/artic...day-morning-conversation-coronavirus-response). That isn' the call I would make, but I understand the argument for doing so. I also understand the argument for deciding to continue with football. Price (Duke pres) has weighed the financial and community advantages of bringing students back and playing football against the health concerns, and come down in favor of students on campus and football.

For the academies, they report to Trump. All he has to do is say, "They are playing," and they will play. Has that happened? Who knows?

The B1G has taken a decision which will hurt them financially, but they believe it is in the best interests of their students and their athletes. I agree with that decision. I don't think it has anything to do with politics. Trump has said that they should play football. I think that statement has everything to do with politics. But those are just my opinions. I think if Holloway had to do it again, he'd probably leave Trump out of his response. The fact that he was right doesn't mean it was the most astute thing to have done.

Got it. For the record I’ve never said the B1G made the wrong decision, I’m just not happy with the timing of the decision and lack of transparency. It would be so refreshing if one of these presidents/chancellors or Warren himself would be totally honest and just say “we don’t want to be liable if someone gets really sick or heaven forbid passes.” I think people are just fed up with the vagueness and hiding behind medical reasoning that is being proven to not be as dire by other programs having played several times. If it’s the ultimate CYA situation then just come out and say it. Ends the speculation that its political.
 
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Holloway very early in his tenure is proving to be a huge disappointment. Like President Trump he had a huge opportunity to lead and instead has decided to trail behind other BIG programs. I’m so disappointed.
 
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Yer kinda gettin' a lot of whining in there for someone who is decrying whining.
Bc I’m so disappointed in the dnc that for 2 election cycles in a row they completely messed it up.... Hilary was unbelievably corrupt and Biden is in early stages of dementia, meanwhile had the dnc done the right thing and put Bernie in Trump would be a dead man walking
 
Syracuse is in the middle of nowhere. It’s stupid (i.e. litigation risk) for them to play with the quarantine order too - but they also aren’t within an hours drive of multiple densely populated metro areas and several international airports. Some player, staff member, etc. from Syracuse could still get Covid and die and then the family could link it to an incoming team on Cuomo’s ban list - but the risk is basically containable to that. In NJ you could have people who get sick after coming in contact with the travelers claiming the connection - whether valid or not. As the president, Holloway has to consider these risks in his assessment of what’s best for RU - it’s not only a football decision.

Bottom line. The pro teams coming in and out have rapid testing ironed out teams and players entering and exiting from quarantine states. The BIG does not and that’s what Holloway states as the reason why he isn’t ready to switch his vote. It doesn’t sound political to me rather well thought through based on the current hand he was dealt.
 
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Syracuse is in the middle of nowhere. It’s stupid (i.e. litigation risk) for them to play with the quarantine order too - but they also aren’t within an hours drive of multiple densely populated metro areas and several international airports. Some player, staff member, etc. from Syracuse could still get Covid and die and then the family could link it to an incoming team on Cuomo’s ban list - but the risk is basically containable to that. In NJ you could have people who get sick after coming in contact with the travelers claiming the connection - whether valid or not. As the president, Holloway has to consider these risks in his assessment of what’s best for RU - it’s not only a football decision.

Bottom line. The pro teams coming in and out have rapid testing ironed out teams and players entering and exiting from quarantine states. The BIG does not and that’s what Holloway states as the reason why he isn’t ready to switch his vote. It doesn’t sound political to me rather well thought through based on the current hand he was dealt.
Bottom line your entire argument is void as absolutely no current athletes at any level have died from this... not one. Hell you have a bigger chance of dying at a Maryland football practice running wind sprints than a 18-23 year old athlete dying from covid.
 
Bottom line. The pro teams coming in and out have rapid testing ironed out teams and players entering and exiting from quarantine states. The BIG does not and that’s what Holloway states as the reason why he isn’t ready to switch his vote. It doesn’t sound political to me rather well thought through based on the current hand he was dealt.

This actually makes Rutgers and the BIG look incredibly worse.

If Syracuse and the ACC can put health procedures in place to abide and satisfy Gov. Cuomo then what the hell has Rutgers and the BIG been doing since July?

Gov. Cuomo and Gov. Murphy said from the beginning that they would allow teams to play football and be exempt from Quarantine rules if they had proper procedures in place.

Syracuse/ACC seem to have figured it out but Rutgers couldn't?

Gov. Cuomo and Gov. Murphy are pro-playing football so the Quarantine List isn't a legitimate excuse for Pres. Holloway.
 
Bc I’m so disappointed in the dnc that for 2 election cycles in a row they completely messed it up.... Hilary was unbelievably corrupt and Biden is in early stages of dementia, meanwhile had the dnc done the right thing and put Bernie in Trump would be a dead man walking
nossir, he wouldn't.
 
Well, nobody knows more about saying the wrong thing a million times than you, Cali.

No issues? 41 MLB games have had to be postponed due to COVID and the Cardinals and the Marlins have had major outbreaks. But yeah, no issues.

The B1G voted to postpone football due to hatred for Trump? Let's look at the logic of that statement. The B1G presidents got together and said, "You know, this will cost us hundreds of millions of dollars, and we all know that there is no risk here, but if we vote to not play, this could somehow hurt Trump's chances for re-election." And then 11 out of 14 voted yes for that.

Not even QAnon could think they could get people to believe that one, and they get people to believe some amazingly crazy stuff.

My position is that these presidents got together, looked at the data, took the advice of their medical specialists, and decided that playing would put their athletes and the people they interact with at too great a risk. It's called Occam's Razor.
Yep, yet they are still playing. You know you’ve lost an argument when you are reduced to bringing up Qanon.

Your position is typical fascism. You know what’s better for people than the actual people. The height of arrogance. I’m sure it plays well at those university wine mixers though.
 
Yep, yet they are still playing. You know you’ve lost an argument when you are reduced to bringing up Qanon.

Your position is typical fascism. You know what’s better for people than the actual people. The height of arrogance. I’m sure it plays well at those university wine mixers though.

Its their new talking point straight from the DNC to Nicole Wallace lips
 
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And you are an ignorant fool drinking Donnie's kool-aid. Though I do have to give him credit. By politicizing college football he has managed to turn many Rutgers fans against one another who may have at one time in the past put their differences aside. Damn shame really.

Did you see that on a Netflix ad while you watched the flick, Cuties?
 
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Ok, if I accept he didn't close down the economy and states did than state and local officials need to takes the blame for the vast majority deaths due to COVID in New York City for downplaying the virus to their residents. I am sorry if the facts don't back up your TDS arguments.

"[New York] City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot on February 6 acknowledged that the virus could spread from person to person, but attempted to reassure residents that that type of transmission would be rare outside of households.

“The important thing for New Yorkers to know is that in the city currently, their risk is low and our city preparedness is high,” Barbot said. “We know that this virus can be transmitted from one individual to another, but that it is typically people who live together. There is no risk at this point in time…about having it being transmitted in casual contact.” Earlier in the month, Barbot encouraged residents to attend the Lunar New Year parade in Chinatown. The neighborhood had seen a sharp drop in business as the coronavirus engulfed the city of Wuhan, with China subsequently locking down much of the country.

City councilman Mark Levine, head of the City Council health committee, attended the Lunar New Year parade on February 9 and urged his constituents to join him.

“In powerful show of defiance of [the] coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual Lunar New Year parade,” Levine wrote on Twitter alongside pictures of the festivities. “Chants of ‘be strong Wuhan!’ If you are staying away, you are missing out!”

By the time the Lunar New Year parade arrived, it was already clear that a humanitarian disaster had occurred in Wuhan, as evidenced by the chants at the parade.

Barbot continued through the beginning of March to reassure New Yorkers that they could carry on with their business so long as they took a few minor health precautions in the process.

“We know that there’s currently no indication that it’s easy to transmit by casual contact,” Barbot said on March 2. “We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives, ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors.” On the same day, Cuomo touted the city’s outlook toward the crisis.

“Excuse our arrogance as New Yorkers — I speak for the mayor also on this one — we think we have the best health care system on the planet right here in New York,” Cuomo said. “So, when you’re saying, what happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.”


What about what about

They were just keeping people calm, right?
 
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We'll see how "great" this decision is in five years when our football program is still dead as a door nail. I'm sorry but even Coach Schiano won't be able to overcome the damage if some of the conference schools play and RU is one of a handful to sit it out. We already have enough of an uphill battle in recruiting after the past five seasons. This will put us behind the 8-ball even further.

I personally understand the severity of COVID as my family has been impacted significantly. But you can't run from it indefinitely. I think many are starting to wake-up to that realization. We've seen it in the college football world as institutions who really don't "play for the money" or for "future NFL opportunities" such as Army and Navy have forged ahead because that is what they have done every September for the past 130 years including during, I might add, two world wars and the 1918 flu pandemic. Small group of 5 programs UAB & Central Arkansas have already competed on multiple occasions with no repercussions.

But then again, I think some of the posts in this thread and some of the tweets out there make it clear that this isn't a medical decision. It's a legal and dare I say it political decision. No one can convince me that a spring season is any safer for our players than starting in October. In fact, it will introduce a myriad of additional health concerns namely playing too many games in a short period of time during the 2021 calendar year. Additionally, no one can convince me that practicing live during the week but not competing vs. other teams is any safer than playing vs. other teams. If it's so dangerous, why come together to work out at all?

Holloway made it clear as day he supports playing if/when we have rapid testing and some control in the Midwestern states where this continues to rage.

If that doesn't happen, we're ALL going to have much bigger problems than football.
 
Of course, I'm not in the room, but it's pretty clear that there is a group of 5-6 schools (including Rutgers) that are not in some sort of "not changing my vote" group - as some here keep saying.

If a majority of schools want to play - Rutgers will vote to play and will play --- as is often the case in any decisions by committee - most don't want to get in front nor be the one to hold things up.... they just want to have everyone (or nearly everyone) agree together...
 
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Did you see that on a Netflix ad while you watched the flick, Cuties?
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Lol! Got em!
 
Twaddle. I have never said Coronavirus had a 5 percent death rate but the president did. It was on the tapes he made with Woodward. Read and weep. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/trump-woodward-coronavirus-tapes.html

Basically this is you "Everything I don't like is fake. WAHHHHHHH."
basically it's not because I never said that LOL.

It doesnt say anywhere in that article that Trump said that LMAO. You somehow got dumber under your new screen name.
 
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Cali rippin' it up, like old times..so great!
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"Holloway, 53, is still just weeks into his job as the university’s 21st president, but the former varsity football player at Stanford..."

Haha lol so much for that. He sounds like the scrub he said he was.

I was very strict about "flattening the curve" but that's over now. The death and morbidity rates just aren't there despite the high case counts
#NailedIt.

I wasn't too sure about Holloway but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. #Wrong.
 
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Well, nobody knows more about saying the wrong thing a million times than you, Cali.

No issues? 41 MLB games have had to be postponed due to COVID and the Cardinals and the Marlins have had major outbreaks. But yeah, no issues.

The B1G voted to postpone football due to hatred for Trump? Let's look at the logic of that statement. The B1G presidents got together and said, "You know, this will cost us hundreds of millions of dollars, and we all know that there is no risk here, but if we vote to not play, this could somehow hurt Trump's chances for re-election." And then 11 out of 14 voted yes for that.

Not even QAnon could think they could get people to believe that one, and they get people to believe some amazingly crazy stuff.

My position is that these presidents got together, looked at the data, took the advice of their medical specialists, and decided that playing would put their athletes and the people they interact with at too great a risk. It's called Occam's Razor.
it's 50 games now actually
 
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