Wouldn't that be nice. Would love to see the IRS taget the on-goings of these collectives from both the donor and recepients perspectives. Are these kids getting 1099'd, paying estimated income taxes etc... Can't believe 18-22 year olds have to / should retain a CPA now-a days. It's just appears to be so ripe for abuse.
Rutgers rapidly is losing ground in the NIL battle with other Big Ten schools, and critics — including people on the inside — believe the Scarlet…
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Couple things:
1. Do RU athletes have to work through the NIL collective? Or can they work directly with potential NIL sponsors? Because if it’s the latter, then I’m not seeing how anybody can know what the NIL numbers are for a school, at least not today for as-yet unsigned contracts.
2. The accuracy of the article isn‘t really the issue. The timing is the issue. It’s not the individual reporters so much as a person or persons higher up in the media outlet’s management that have, for unknown reasons, consistently sought ways to tear RU athletics down using carefully timed negative articles, like this one. The reporters appear to be pawns, doing what they are told.
The pattern has been there to see for as long as I’ve been a fan of RU sports. One or two occurrences would be believable as a coincidence. Dozens of occurrences all timed for maximum negative impact is no coincidence.
I’d like to see a different media outlet do an investigative piece on this. Find out who’s driving these attacks, if there’s corruption/bribery involved, or it’s some kind of grudge by one or more people within the organization.
1. Do RU athletes have to work through the NIL collective? Or can they work directly with potential NIL sponsors? Because if it’s the latter, then I’m not seeing how anybody can know what the NIL numbers are for a school, at least not today for as-yet unsigned contracts.
2. The accuracy of the article isn‘t really the issue. The timing is the issue. It’s not the individual reporters so much as a person or persons higher up in the media outlet’s management that have, for unknown reasons, consistently sought ways to tear RU athletics down using carefully timed negative articles, like this one. The reporters appear to be pawns, doing what they are told.
The pattern has been there to see for as long as I’ve been a fan of RU sports. One or two occurrences would be believable as a coincidence. Dozens of occurrences all timed for maximum negative impact is no coincidence.
I’d like to see a different media outlet do an investigative piece on this. Find out who’s driving these attacks, if there’s corruption/bribery involved, or it’s some kind of grudge by one or more people within the organization.
I didn't read the hit piece, so if this was addressed I apologize. The RU collectives don't seem to set very attainable goals. Right out of the NIL gate the argument was and has been "we need to raise a bajillion dollars so we can buy the best players and compete with OSU, UM, psu". That's not going to rally the grunts when the whales decided to sit this one out. And I can't blame the grunts or the whales, given we just went through a fundraising & build out phase to get new athletics buildings built, plus the general RU $1 Billion drive, etc. Now we have the media rights money coming in, but athletics still papering over old budget deficits so they keep pumping us to pay $$$$ for more facilities.
Athletics needs to own the infrastructure they want and pay for it with Big Ten money. Then they can tell the fans to redirect donations to NIL pursuits. The collectives immediately need to state a push for attainable fundraising goals, like increasing total donations $1 million a year for the next 3 years, or increasing new donors 10% yearly for the next 3 years. Earn a few tangible wins, gain some momentum, then step back and shift into the next gear.
Athletics needs to own the infrastructure they want and pay for it with Big Ten money. Then they can tell the fans to redirect donations to NIL pursuits. The collectives immediately need to state a push for attainable fundraising goals, like increasing total donations $1 million a year for the next 3 years, or increasing new donors 10% yearly for the next 3 years. Earn a few tangible wins, gain some momentum, then step back and shift into the next gear.
I wouldn't have thought so, either. But I don't really know that's true.
It may be that NCAA athletes can sign NIL contracts with whomever they wish but they must report all sources of income to the NCAA (even from side-jobs having nothing to do with NIL). I could see that being the case if the NCAA tries to watch for corruption in college sports.
So there may be ways to obtain the information, although I kind of doubt it and I don't think it would be publicly accessible information.
I meant, the universities don’t need to report. It’s not their money in or out.
I was referring to his Northwestern point, which would be relevant to coach salary info. Private universities don’t need to make that public.
Sure, anything is possible. We aren’t the Soviet Union…yet, lol. And on the margins, we’ve seen waves of ups and downs of schools.
But, look at the top 25 on any given year going back decades and decades. You will see the same 20ish schools. That is not a bug, it’s a feature. They OWN this sport. All others play at their whim and fancy.
NIL? I just don’t see it as this huge disruptor of the power dynamic that has been there forever. We’ll see in 20 years post NIL if the same 20ish schools continue to dominate the polls. If so, then, just like the big nonsense mass delusion that the “NCAA” is an independent governing body, all this NIL noise will be nothing more than window dressing.
I would characterize the article as sobering, not a hatchet job. RUJon and Danny Breslauer have a lot of credibility. If they’re sending out warnings, I listen.
I agree there won’t be any huge disruptions but definitely more opportunity than ever.
There are really only a handful of schools that can win a national championship in CFB but there are opportunities to be ranked and make playoffs etc from time to time for others like we saw even in a 4 team one with Cincy and TCU. Mizzou would’ve made a 12 team one this year. I’ve named similar status schools in the past that would’ve made it as well, even an IU in the pandemic year. So thats a good thing.
Ole Miss would’ve made it tbis year too and they’re not a blue blood. They’ve been very active in the portal this year snagging a bunch of players who look good on paper at least. NIL and portal has given them opportunity to try and elevate beyond what they have been.
There really aren’t mechanisms in CFB like drafts or caps so it’s hard to get full parity but at least there’s slight movement that way towards a little more parity. We can see schools have the opportunity to do things they haven’t ever done before whether it be rankings, playoffs or just a bowl.
Texas State just made its first bowl ever under GJ Kinne in year 1. They had the second most players come on board this year after Deion and Colorado. Would that have been possible without the portal? Probably not.
Opportunities for NCs? Probably not but opportunities for other meaningful goals that are different for each school I think better than ever.
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My thoughts on the Sarge article on Rutgers and NIL
As president of KTR and having worked on this for more than two years now this article is a pretty accurate picture of where we are right now. We have enough money to keep our football players but not nearly enough money to be aggressive in the portal. On the hoops side, it is easier to make an...
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Nothing really new-- again, many of our "fans" donate with their mouths not their pocketbooks. Bitch and moan about everything but find it hard to help where it means the most--$.
They elite teams in the Big Ten have the advantage of being National Champions in the past and their fans from 30-40 years ago still remember the excitement. They might be their older fans in their 50-70’s that are willing to donate significantly for the NIL. My nephews went to Rutgers about 20 years ago and never went to a Rutgers football game during that time. That’s probably typical for Rutgers students for the last 50 years with the exception of Schiano.01. They went during the Schiano years when I brought them. Until we get an offense NIL isn’t go8ng to change much at Rutgers.
It’s the truth and it suck’s. Now they are writing articles about how cheap we are as a whole. Some fans as long as they get to post and discuss endless banter can give a shit if we win or lose.
Even if we raised 20 million for the football program, would that even put us in the top 10?
And if I suddenly won the mega millions, it would give me some pause to contemplate giving a kid millions to play college football.
That kind of money that young would probably guarantee an acquisition of bad habits before he even had a chance to develop proper impulse control.
And if I suddenly won the mega millions, it would give me some pause to contemplate giving a kid millions to play college football.
That kind of money that young would probably guarantee an acquisition of bad habits before he even had a chance to develop proper impulse control.
Agree. And again I say - this is by design. Blips of teams/years non-withstanding - keep the train moving down the tracks. Feed the scraps and “meaningful goals” to the rabble, while the true money and power stay right where it has always been.
For my part, I say, bring on the opportunities. Why the hell not? I’d love an expanded playoff. 12, 20, 32, etc., etc. I like watching games….so again, why the hell not? IMO, the best tourney in the world is the FA Cup. You and I and a few buds can form a team and join a knockout that every team in the entire country plays? The closer you get to that awesomeness, the better, lol.
Just donate people. Signed up for a monthly membership of $20 or more and we will ve OK. I know that for some donating to NIL doesn't feel right but for now is a major part of college athletics and recruiting and we need all the help we can get to keep things going.
As Aaron Breitman on his podcast said--I also wondered where's the discussion in that article about the latest success retaining football players ?? Article leaves alot out but of course we need $.
How is it sobering ? We ALL are aware of our lack of spare change.Rutgers has to step it up on donations but NIL needs a group of 5-6 B1G sugar daddy’s.
True. I’m sure there’s another Sherwood Blount in the wings. Now it’s legal.
I respect that
Seems to be a common sentiment on this board
Just don’t complain if other programs with robust NIL programs are kicking our teeth in
The tone and especially the timing are all wrong for a plea for donations.
If the intent was not to be a hit job, then it was conceived and executed very poorly, and whoever is responsible should be replaced by someone more competent. But I’m guessing it was just a hit job.
What gets you more fired up: reading the SL write that your school is small fry and can’t compete in the big ten or reading the SL write your school needs donations?
Then we are back to the old system of direct AD donations determining success and failure.
We'll be stuck unable to fire a coach because of a buyout while other schools can just spend themselves out of mistakes with private donor money.
If they want to minimize the inequity of NIL need to take the next step and minimize the inequity of private donations.
Neither thing would ever have the slightest impact on me. I’m nowhere near that easily manipulated. And I don’t make financial decisions for emotional reasons like that anyway.
But, the saying that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar applies here.
You are saying fans should be responsible for the players salaries? Plus, see below to how well Rutgers seems to be doing pretty decently in attracting and retaining it's athletes.
That's a fail of a statement. Basically the entire defense who could have been poached, have pledged to remain for another year. This year's recruiting class was better than the last. Basketball has the #2 and #3 players in the nation attending Rutgers next year. That was done how? Because they love Rutgers and the campus? And forgive me if I missed it, the OL transfer stated he went to Illinois because Rutgers had no money? Or do you know him personally and he told you this? Or you are just trying to regurgitate your position for the umpteenth time?
That's not a bad business move for the guy running the NIL.
Who pays for players scholarships?
Isn't it fans and the mandatory "donation" to the R Fund as part of season ticket sales?
You do realize those two posters are the same person? They have basically admitted it.
The guy running it is not making a dime off this. He is doing it on his own time working hard while others do squat and donate less. We have enough NIL to keep what we have but none to grab portal guys who can come here and help. NIL cost us a DT who went to Florida and a OL who wanted to be here but Illinois had money to give and we have excuses to give.
Anti-Hobbs narratives being shattered. What exactly more to the those assailing Hobbs want him to do? Calling fans individually? Some of you people should just STFU and donate, and motivate your friends and fellow alumn to donate. Stop pointing fingers, and use those fingers to contact your friends and fellow alums and ask them to donate. But it is so much easier to be a keyboard warrior and criticize the guy in charge, as if it is all his fault that our fanbase is full of cheap front runners.
We even have a-holes who criticize the donors who have donated a lot to athletics because they are not currently giving to NIL. You know who you are 365.
We even have a-holes who criticize the donors who have donated a lot to athletics because they are not currently giving to NIL. You know who you are 365.
Then don’t complain when we never beat the winning teams in the B1G.
I know that it won't make a difference, but I just sent the following email to NJ.com
Headlines such as today's "Poor Rutgers" are the reason I will not subscribe to NJ.com. I don't expect NJ.com to be a cheerleader for Rutgers, but headlines and stories that bash Rutgers sports appear too often. In one week the football team will play in a bowl game. I'm sure that a positive headline and story could have been written.
RU fan
Headlines such as today's "Poor Rutgers" are the reason I will not subscribe to NJ.com. I don't expect NJ.com to be a cheerleader for Rutgers, but headlines and stories that bash Rutgers sports appear too often. In one week the football team will play in a bowl game. I'm sure that a positive headline and story could have been written.
RU fan
Add 10% to all the football coaches and assistant so we can funnel the 10% funds to the NIL or add a fictitious employee and have all of his salary be used for the NIL. This would all be coming from the $80 million we receive from the Big Ten.
why doesn't the powerful Star-Ledger and NJ.com entities double our NIL collective for us?
yeah.. come to think of it.. haven't they been using the NIL of Rutgers athletes for decades and decades?
