we can talk about how bad Penn st is but they are not going away. They will continue to be the premier team in the Northeast. They just pick up another big commit today. They have a young team so this year's class will not be large in numbers. A lot of Rutgers commits would still go to Penn st if they had a chance. You guys are lucky they are being more selective this class.
Sandusky stuff "happened over 40 years ago" - state penn coach
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Penn st has been nothing more than a mid tier big 10 team the last 20 years. With one good year in between.
Don't see how their the premier program in the northeast. Considering they are a 9 point underdog to Pitt this season. As far as recruiting is concerned. Look at Texas! If you do not have a average coach or above. Recruiting means very little.
Its funny when ever I write something you all like to hear, its cool, but soon as I comment something you don't like, Im a troll. Trolls like to write negative stuff just to get under the skin of people. I don't do that. I express the negative and the positive. Trolls are the people who can't except hearing both.
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One good year in the last 20 years? In the last 20 seasons Penn State has had 4 top 10 seasons, 8 top 15 seasons and 11 top 25 seasons. Penn state overall record is 23rd best. While not great certainly not mid tier.
They are in a elite conference and they win. Who is more consistent than them in the Northeast that is in a elite conference?
I would have expected a coach that set himself up as the morale example for a profession and sport not to harbor a child molester for 40 years.
But sometimes we are disappointed by leaders. At least I was. Seems you are OK with it.
You guys should have hired Switzer or Sherrill. All they did was cheat at football. Your false idol presided over the defilement of young lives.
Of course they did, and it would be why they would never get hired. It was a stupid comment.
I don't understand the need by some on this board to denigrate the on field accomplishments of Penn State football, while at the same legitimately criticizing the way the program intentionally ignored protecting children. It has been, and continues to be, the premier football program in the NE until we begin to beat them on the field of play on a regular basis. Not rocket science.
And to also be fair, we should have won and for all but about 1 minute of the entire game, were winning the game the first year DESPITE having Flood. We absolutely had the players to win in '14.
The made up crap from the 70s is ridiculous. If anyone believes that nonsense they need meds and therapy.
Oh, RU certainly could have won that game. But the game is 60 minutes. Now it appears PSU will have a decided talent advantage for at least the next 2-3 seasons, so it'll be interesting to see if Ash can narrow that gap moving forward.
Regardless whether his testimony has changed or not, the important thing is what Paterno himself said he was told by McQueary.
Paterno said he was told that McQueary witnessed "something sexual in nature" happening between Sandusky, a full grown man, and an underaged boy, both naked in a shower together, and that it was serious enough that MM was upset about it.
How did that NOT sound major alarms for Paterno, who was already aware of Sandusky's sexual tendencies based on the reports against him from 1998 investigations. Even if not enough evidence existed to convict Sandusky in 1998, it had to at least warn Paterno that Sandusky has a real problem. Then, to have this follow just a few years later?
"I knew Mike was upset," Paterno had told the grand jury, "and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster."
That is all you need to know right there...from Paterno's own mouth....that Mike McQueary told him something serious enough that it should have instantly been reported to the police. The REAL police.
So did Paterno know Sandusky was a pedophile after McQueary told him this? Based on his own words, and the fact that he knew Sandusky had been investigated a few years earlier for separate cases of inappropriate sexual acts with boys.....then YES he ABSOLUTELY knew about Sandusky's behavior, and chose NOT to do the right thing an have it brought out to the public via a report to the local police department, like it should have.
It's funny, but 99 percent of the population in the U.S. think that is the way it should have gone down. Only the Paterno cultists can't seem to grasp that basic logic.
That is why people say Joe Knew. Because he did know, and at the very least, he let his bosses above him NOT report anything to the police.
At the worst, based on the email from the Freeh report, he persuaded Curley not to carry out their next steps, which were to report Sandusky to child welfare authorities.
It was either his decision not to report Sandusky, or he agreed with the decision not to report Sandusky...but either way, he damn well KNEW.
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PSU had a decided talent advantage against Temple also. At least on paper. How did that turn out?
Let me fix this for you. Anyone who does not believe the testimony from the 70's needs meds and therapy. There you go. Have a nice day.
There is now evidence that can ever be presented to the Joebots that will make them stop worshipping their false idol. Witnesses, e-mails, Paterno's own statements and 40 years of evidence haven't done it. There's no helping them.
Ignoring the obvious truth that less-talented teams do occasionally win games, I'll play along: not well. It didn't help that our offense made no adjustments and one of our best linebackers was hurt. Things changed drastically on that side of the ball when Wartman-White went down. But no excuses. PSU should never lose to Temple. That was the first time since 1941, and hopefully it's another 75 years or so before that result repeats itself.
Penn State also had a decided talent advantage over Maryland (again, on paper at least) two years ago, and lost...at home no less.
This tells me that teams can have less talent against Franklin-coached PSU teams, and still win because of his poor coaching.
In his first two years, Franklin has lost to 2 teams his school had not lost to in over 5 decades.
He lost to a Maryland team that PSU was 35-1-1 against and hadn't lost to since 1961.
He also lost to a Temple team that PSU hadn't lost to since 1941. Temple was 0-38-1 against your Lions since the last time they beat PSU.
Wow, good job, Franklin.
It also goes back to the whole competing with 65 scholarships and 9 scholarship OL thing, but you guys don't want to hear that. And for the record, the 2014 team wasn't all that impressive. The majority of the most highly-recruited guys were true freshmen, the OL was in shambles, a non-NFL prospect at RB (who really should have been a WR) in Belton, etc. I'd have to really examine the rosters to see who was more talented - and I'm assuming PSU would still have a slight edge over Maryland - but it was mostly very young talent.
For example, among players on the 2014 team who are now in the NFL, only two look like they can be impact players: Austin Johnson and Adrian Amos. Then you have borderline guys like Jesse James, Carl Nassib (who wasn't Carl Nassib just yet in 2014), and Anthony Zettel, plus the question mark of Christian Hackenberg. No one's mistaking that roster for 2001 Miami.
The leap in the level of talent in this program from a few years ago to now is astronomical, and for that Franklin and the staff deserve as much praise as they can get. This is why, as Franklin himself pointed out this week, this season is so pivotal. It's time to turn the corner on the field and start delivering on the vision the staff has been selling to recruits.
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Yes, because the University was cutting fictional Keep Quiet checks to non-existent victims based on a delusion. How can we not see that?
Franklin said it's been happening for 40 years. So you're saying he needs meds and therapy? Not a radical thought.
You can downplay the talent you had on that team all you want, but the factual truth is PSU had guys on their 3rd and 4th string that were higher rated and had more D1A scholarship offers than most of Temple's starters.
PSU had walk-ons that were higher rated than kids on scholarship at Temple.
You had far more talent on your 3 deep than Maryland did, even with the sanctions.
You choose to praise Franklin for his recruiting, while giving him a pass for poor coaching.
I don't buy that BS at all.
He was 7-6 two straight seasons with enough talent that should have been 9-4 or 10-3.
If not for defensive series collapse against Rutgers at the end of the game two years ago, he would have been 6-6 going into a bowl game, not 7-5.
He has shown that having a talent advantage does not mean much, if the coaching is not there.
We can talk in circles about talent advantages, inexperience, lack of scholarships, a glorified high school offensive line, etc.
The bottom line is, I am one of the reasonable PSU fans who didn't expect division titles and Rose Bowl appearances the past two seasons. Would I have liked to beat Maryland, Illinois, Temple, etc. in those games? Of course. Do I think we probably should have won at least one or two of those even with the situation at hand? Probably, yes.
However, I'm not going to get worked up about going 6-6 and 7-5 the past two seasons instead of 8-4 and 8-4, because ultimately those records don't mean much, if anything, when you take the long view - the same way you guys won't have your pitchforks out if Ash goes 3-9 this fall.
This hasn't been about winning 8 games instead of 6 and going to the Outback Bowl instead of the Pinstripe Bowl. The goal, again for us reasonable fans, has been to keep the program's head above water and keep stockpiling talent with an eye toward 2016, 2017 and beyond.
I'll also add, I'll take some of whatever you're on that you think PSU should have won 9 and 10 games, respectively, the past two seasons.
The 2014 team relied way too much on freshmen and sophomores, and oh yea, had possibly the worst OL in the history of major college football. The fact that that team pushed Ohio State to OT and probably should have won that game was a borderline miracle, as well as a testament to how much the atmosphere at Beaver Stadium can impact a game.
The 2015 team, which still had a dreadful offensive line, lost five regular season games to teams that went a combined 51-9 in the regular season. Excuse me for not crucifying Franklin just yet.
The 2014 team relied way too much on freshmen and sophomores, and oh yea, had possibly the worst OL in the history of major college football. The fact that that team pushed Ohio State to OT and probably should have won that game was a borderline miracle, as well as a testament to how much the atmosphere at Beaver Stadium can impact a game.
The 2015 team, which still had a dreadful offensive line, lost five regular season games to teams that went a combined 51-9 in the regular season. Excuse me for not crucifying Franklin just yet.
In 2014, PSU was 6-6 regular season, with these losses:
1.) Michigan (5-7 and 3-5 in Big Ten)
2.) Illinois team that finished 6-7 and only 3-5 in Big Ten league play
3.) Northwestern (5-7 and 3-5 in Big Ten)
4.) Maryland (7-6 and 4-4 in Big Ten) - LOST at home.
Those are ALL games PSU should have won. Maryland just because it was a home game.
That puts you to 10 wins.
in 2015, PSU was 7-5 regular season, and after seeing who you lost to, I do admit (see, people can admit when they're wrong) that the best you could reasonable expect was 8 wins, not 9.
You should have beaten Temple, and you would have been 8-4 regular season.
So I was off. I sad you should have had seasons of 10 wins and 9 wins, when I should have said 10 wins and 8 wins.
The point is....in both seasons, Franklin lost games he had no right losing, based on talent.
That is why I'm not afraid of facing a Franklin-coached team now that we have a bonafide coach running our team.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on 2014. That was a mediocre PSU team that had quite possibly the worst OL ever, and lost to other mediocre teams. Hardly surprising.
As far as Franklin, and your "bonafide" coach who has never been the head coach for a game in his life, I'll leave you with two thoughts:
1. The biggest problem Franklin and PSU have had the past two seasons is the offense was a disaster, because of bad scheme fits, lack of adjustments, OL play, etc. By turning over the reins to Joe Moorhead, not to mention a more mobile quarterback and the greater experience among the talented skill guys and better OL play, that side of the ball should improve significantly.
2. And this is the more important point, remember the old saying: "It's not about the X's and O's, it's about the Jimmies and Joes."
In the three years before Franklin, PSU's recruiting classes averaged 37th nationally, 6th in the B1G, and signed 11 four- and five-star players.
In the three years since Franklin, PSU's recruiting classes averaged 20th nationally, 3rd in the B1G, and signed 26 four- and five-star players.
The trick now is to show progress on offense, make recruits see the vision you're selling start to come to fruition on the field, and take recruiting to the next level (top 10). With all that talent I'll take my chances with a lot of coaches, including Franklin.
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The same was said about Sandusky by some NitWits when his actions were made public , but long after he was seen molesting a child in the Penn St football locker-room shower.
If Sandusky could molest a child in 2001 and be caught doing it by a PSU GA , but not turned in to face charges, who can say it didn't happen 40 years ago and PSU has been paying out since the first time because they kept a monster instead of terminating someone in their employ that molests children .
Once they did that, stuck with a molester and had to cover up for the pervert so no one would know .
oh please.. how many players actually see time in a game? Penn State was missing 20 schollie players that would have been on the bench or redshirting.
I would say. What Sherill and Switzer did pails in comparison to what Paterno did to cover up his defensive coordinators sick mindset. All to protect his false image of the program.
I respect Sherill and Switzer much more than Joe P. And i am Italian. It was just sickening what was going on at that cesspool
What's sickening is after McCreary told Joe about it. Sandusky was in the media booth right after during one of the games....sick.
yet, their fans try and spin it like he was never around the football program.
Take a poll of major college football coaches, asking what type of impact the loss of 20 scholarships can have on a team and its preparation, and get back to me.
the penn st thing was despicable but why are rutgers fans still bringing up? The current staff and administration has nothing to do with it. get over it. Just beat Penn st while you have a chance. Franklin is a great recruiter and average coach. We will see if he the adjustments he made helps. He needs to win. If not, they will go with Rhule who is a stud. Rutgers fans should hope Franklin stay around.
Look this is a Rutgers board and if you can't see that Nit posters keep threads like this alive you probably just don't understand recent revelations about the cover up have shown it went on for longer than originally thought.
So instead of this being old news it became something new to the public and worthy of discussion. But the discussion would have ended if cult members didn't extend the talks with their BS.
As for :"The current staff and administration has nothing to do with it" read what the cult posts on this board denying it and what the current PSU President said about the reports of what happened 40 years ago.
Making that statement by you a uneducated spin.
Then again you might just have your head in the sand , like many Syracuse supporters did during the Bernie Fine incident and prefer to remain ignorant
Why were 14 claims paid beyond the Statute of Limitations? Because the Trustees thought this would never surface.
They thought that this was going away quickly by buying claimants off.
As you said, "The current administration and staff have nothing to do with it." JF added that it happened 40 years ago. That's why it was brought up. DUH!
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