Schiano versus Leipold
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A large contingent of the fans on here claiming they wanted Leipold weren’t pushing for him at all in 2019 if I recall. Most of the anti-Schiano guys were very much on the Hafley bandwagon. One poster wanted the East Carolina coach (they have the same record currently as RU). It seems awfully unfair to hold Schiano to the bar of hand picking the relatively new coach out there with the best current record to compare him to at all times. He inherited a team than would be 1-5 right now without question.
I think we're well past deciding that a coach who commands the respect of NJ high school coaches doesn't matter. If Schiano has their respect, is it helping? Doesn't seem like it. We need a coach who can get good players from anywhere. And coaches who win get respect anywhere.
LOL. Yeah wow against UMass and Liberty. No way KU could have pulled that off!
So no, I won't be stopping pointing out facts that annihilate your grievance driven agenda. We get it, have for years, that your media outlet hates Greg.
Oh wow. They would have had two wins had they played UMass and Liberty like we did in 19.
Also Coastal Carolina is bowl team unlike UMass.
That merely means both teams were roughly equally bad. The year before Leopold took over Massey Composite had them ranked lower than Rutgers. There's just no way to argue their talent was at all significantly better than ours, like a team that was bad but not hollowed out, like Nebraska currently, or Indiana. They were rock-bottom bad, too. They had been horrible for over a decade.
That's the beauty of the GS haters.
Once Leipold flops they'll dump him faster than they did Rockin' Randy Edsall, who if you recall from GS 1.0 "never gets blown out." Presumably he's resting on his laurels of leading Maryland to repeat championships?
Oh right.
And then the minute we do win they'll be fleeing like the "Pike will have 2 B1G wins" crowd watching the MSU game.
And when that happens they'll always have losing to Tulane in 2010 much like the Pike haters have the Lafayette game. You can't understand these people properly without understanding a lot of deep seated axe grinding and negativity basking.
No doubt they were bad but we have the actual head to head to know we were worse. The year you're talking about was the COVID year, and it was GS' first year, and had we had OOC games we almost certainly would have been in a bowl game.
Actually I don't think Leipold will fail, but take one of the many offers he'll be getting after this season is over and not have to prove this year was a fluke..
I believe Lance has what it takes to turn around a program , but at RU would need more time than he would be given ..
I actually would like to see Lance stay at Kansas and keep it a winner..
Al;so like what the K-St HC is doing, but he inherited a steady Eddie type of program from Bill Snyder.
It's simple when you take everything into consideration,
Leipold was what Kansas needed.
Greg fits the bill for Rutgers
An early look at TCU’s next opponent, No. 19 Kansas
If I told you before the season that TCU and Kansas would be a battle of ranked, unbeaten teams that would also host ESPN College GameDay, would you have believed me?Don’t lie either.
Well we’re here now and despite the Horned Frogs already facing Oklahoma and SMU, the Horned Frogs’ toughest road contest could be Kansas.
This was already going to be a tricky game for the Horned Frogs after it took a late field goal to survive 31-28 against the Jayhawks last year at Amon G. Carter stadium.
Both teams are better and the atmosphere could be the best it’s ever been with GameDay on the scene. It’s an early candidate for the Big 12 game of the year and could determine who should be considered a favorite in the conference along with Oklahoma State.
Here’s four things to know about Kansas:
Daniels the Heisman candidate?
Every year in college football there’s a surprise challenger for the Heisman that emerges in September. Consider Kansas quarterback Jalon Daniels to be that player this season. Yes it’s early, but that doesn’t change how effective Daniels has been. Daniels has taken the next step under coach Lance Leipold. His yards per attempt has increased from 10.8 from 7.4 last season.He’s the Jayhawks leading rusher with 335 yards. He averaged 2.5 yards per carry last year; that’s up to 7.3 now. With 983 passing yards, Daniels has over 1,300 yards of total offense and 16 total touchdowns in five games. His 95.6 QBR is the best in the country according to ESPN. Daniels is coming off his worst game of the year in the narrow win against Iowa State.
The Cyclones held him to 102 total yards and one touchdown. Every game he’s had a QBR in the mid 90s, but it was 43.4 on Saturday. TCU already knows how good he is after he carved up the defense last year. Can the Horned Frogs replicate Iowa State’s defensive gameplan?
Elite rushing attack
One thing you can bet on with a Leipold team is their willingness and effectiveness at running the ball. At over 220 yards per game on the ground, Kansas has a Top 15 rushing offense in the country. Daniels plays a big part in that, but the Jayhawks have a depth.Devin Neal is behind Daniels with 333 rushing yards and four touchdowns. Daniel Hishaw Jr. has five touchdowns and 262 yards of production. Hishaw, Neal and Daniels have at least 44 carries and average at least six yards per attempt. Sevion Morrison is a change-of-pace back that is averaging 9.2 yards per carry. The Jayhawks have a good offensive line which has led to a productive rushing attack.
Kansas has also been good in pass protection as Daniels has only been sacked twice this year. There’s an obvious caveat as Daniels has only attempted 25 or more passes one time. That came in the Jayhawks’ double-overtime victory against West Virginia. Can TCU jump out to an early lead and make Daniels have to beat them from the pocket?
What about Kansas defensively?
The Jayhawks have improved. Last year Kansas allowed opponents to score more than 42 points per game. That average has dropped 24. Take out the opening win over Tennessee Tech and the number only moves slightly to 27.5.It’s not a dominant unit, but it’s certainly will be better than last year’s. One thing Kansas does well is get after the quarterback and force turnovers. The Jayhawks lead the Big 12 with 15 sacks and are tied with TCU with four interceptions forced. Four different Jayhawks have at least two sacks led Lonnie Phelps who has five. It should be noted three of them came against Tennessee Tech.
Cobee Bryant was a major recruiting win for Leipold and he’s emerged as one of the leaders in the secondary. He has two interceptions and returned a blocked kick for a touchdown. Kansas has done enough on that side of the ball to bolster the explosive offense. Can it slow down TCU’s?
Other names to know
Known as the heart of the Kansas defense, linebacker Rich Miller leads the team with 38 total tackles and 22 solo. No other player has more than 30.Daniels spreads the ball around at receiver with Luke Grimm being the leading pass catcher with 19 receptions for 208 yards and two touchdowns. Lawrence Arnold and Quentin Skinner are two more receivers with at least 100 yards. There’s no Marvin Mims or Rashee Rice in this group which could free up Tre’Vius Hodges-Tomlinson to be used differently in coverage.
Kenny Logan Jr. is a hard-hitting safety that is second on the team with 27 tackles and also has an interception.
Mike Novitsky is considered the team’s best offensive lineman. Pro Football Focus has him graded as a Top 10 center in the country.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/steven-johnson-early-look-tcu-090000135.html
its not a fact that “Leipold inherited a much better team” than Schiano did. It just isn’t true. Kansas was ranked anywhere between 81–115 when Leipold took over depending on outlet. Rutgers is around 70 that season. (Google is your friend)
you can believe what you want to make yourself feel better but its unfortunately not true.
Not sure what my media outlet is..(NJAM? since I’ve defended it in the past??). No clue about them..but I for one don’t hate Greg. Just hated the hire
ADs seem to have guts to hand out huge unwarranted contracts but not for this. No path is guaranteed but betting on guys who have done it time and again with changing faces while working up the career ladder isn’t a terrible bet to make.
Our school is fixated on the idea of hiring DCs from blue chip schools. They absolutely should've hired a HC from lower down.
Have you seen our current class. Schiano is getting the Ash treatment.
probably because there was a few who considered Jeff a good option that weren't in Schiano's corner before Hobbs hired Greg.
I have no problem with coordinators either..anything can work. I do like coaches though who have demonstrated more with less but it doesn’t necessarily have to be as HC.
When we hired Ash, I wanted Aranda because of what he did at Wisconsin but also what he did at Utah State amd Delta State.
This last go around I liked Littrell as one name and his stock has dropped since but I also liked Elko because of what he did not at A&M or ND but what he did for the defenses at WF and Bowling Green alongside Clawson. With defensive coaches though my question would be what are their philosophies on offense and who might they hire as OC.
So many paths can work so I’m not particularly married to any one. Big themes for me is demonstrating more with less as a coach and keeping up performance as the players’ faces change. Philosophy on offense would be close to those as well. Sometimes its hard to meet all criteria though in a single candidate. In the end though its always some degree of crap shoot.
Rutgers has been offensively inept for a long time.
i said at the time we needed an offensive minded head coach. And I still believe this.
I don't think so. Someone else mentioned above and it's a hilarious memory in retrospect. 🤣🤣
I don't blame them for being completely embarrassed for actually pushing that choice, but trying to blend in amongst the Leipold guys now is just cowardly and lacking of character. Not necessarily surprising, but worth a call out.
I mean, can we at least agree that we dodged a real bullet there? So far, of course.
Maybe but it seems like a HC who was successful at a lower level is more likely to be successful one level up than a coordinator who was never a HC at any level. Its a different job.
either case it's a crap shoot like rutgersguy said.
I tend to trust the successful mid-major HC moving up over the Coordinator taking his first HC position at a P-5 school.
A highly respected OC/DC at the school hiring would be a different story and that hire
would be the best over a successful mid major HC.
I've been dying for offense way before it became the in thing here. Mainly because way back then I was looking at the rankings of a bunch of years and the teams that were near the top on offense, not always, but often did well. If you were a team of lower status on the landscape and were doing well, good chance you were up there on offense. I saw that as a sort of trend and best potential avenue so figured that's what need as a team that's lower status on the landscape.
I've said before though the thing is as much as I think offense is the avenue with the most potential, I think a defensive coach who comes up around or understands offense is the ideal. Otherwise it's possible you get teams like KK at TT who are great offensively but have no defense. You just need a mediocre defense not a great one. If he just had that at TT, he would've been so much more successful there. Also top offensive teams can be soft or somewhat mistake prone as well. I think that's part of the mentality Day has tried to change at OSU this year. We can light you up yea but if needed we can run you over physically too. That has specifically happened with Michigan in mind and what happened to them last year. So if an offensive coach can have that realization that's good too. Strong offense with a mediocre defense is a combo that I think can make noise for teams like us.
I've posted these comments from Elko here before. It's from this summer and it strengthens my previous opinion of him now having read them, if he executes on it. I think he's got a chance to make Duke respectable (.500 or so). He hired Kevin Johns as his OC. He came up with KK at TT and was also with Norvell at Memphis for a bit so that's a positive. Think he may have had some time with Kevin Wilson at IU too. We'll see how he does but it's a nice pedigree to go along with whatever Elko can muster with the D.
Aranda was GA at TT under Leach so that's also part of why I liked him too. Like I said who have they "grown up" with, that's usually where the influences come from. He hired Fedora which was disaster in year 1 and quickly changed course to Grimes for a more physical but still open style of play. Quite a bit of misdirection in Grimes' wide zone offense.
Anyway here's Elko's comments that I liked:
“Just pay attention to who’s winning,” Elko said. “You’ve got Bill Belichick in New England. You’ve got Kirby (Smart) and Nick (Saban) and Luke Fickell. Those are three of the four Playoff teams last year. I know there’s this allure of offense, but really the most successful coaches are the defensive guys who understand offense. They’re not trying to win games 7-3, but they understand how to run a program with a bit of that defensive mentality while still allowing the offense to flourish.”
And he won’t apologize for finding success on defense in a points-happy era of college football. Elko doesn’t believe that traditional statistics show the impact of a great defense in today’s game. Even old-school defensive-minded head coaches like Pat Narduzzi have grown (sort of) comfortable winning shootouts. But that doesn’t mean defense matters any less.
“You have to balance what you’re doing to what you’re playing against, which is what we’ve always done,” Elko said. “A lot of matrixes off of what they do. What are the averages of our opponents? If you’re playing teams that average 51 points a game and you hold them to 31, you’re one of the better defenses. People get lost in archaic boxes of this number of points or less, or this amount of yards or less. …
“Winning games 52-48 in a championship season, it happens across the board. It doesn’t mean, if you have a game like that or a couple of games like that, that you’re unsuccessful on defense. Or that you’re running an offensive program or defensive program. You’re just trying to win. That’s what I’ve always tried to sell.”
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I’m not getting comments like this. Defense is half the game. We’ve clearly done a 180 on where we were on that end of the ball. It’s not true that we’ve made no progress. We were in the hunt for a real bowl game until the very last game last year. 2 years removed from being one of the worst FBS teams (not just P5 - Buffalo types were blowing us out).
They would have preferred Ash stayed to hiring Schiano. It's a very weird obsession.
How about the Al Golden people? Second favorite to me. My forever favorite is Rockin Randy Edsall, who, as they frequently told us, "never gets blown out."
Hafley could be a Rockin' Randy part 2- we already beat him head to head, which is a GS-hater favorite quality.
100%
Everyone complained about OC turnover.
Well if the HC is running the offense then OC turnover isn't as big an issue.
The blueprint is simple for a team at our level - you hire for "coaching" not "recruiting".
Coach the players on the field now and make them competitive (don't even have to win).
Take that evidence of coaching up players to the recruits and say "Look what I did with those guy. With you, we can really get something done."
But all the "Big Name Coach" people said:
- We need to fast track the rebuild
- Need someone to immediately turn around recruiting
- Fanbase won't suffer through a 5-6 year rebuild
- We don't have time to wait for a lower level coach
Funny how the tune changed.
And before someone tries to call me an "Ash Lover" or those other ridiculous things - I wanted Ash fired the moment he hired OC Kill.
Does Hafley fit the above blueprint? Not close - no way we should hire him. He's "hiring for recruiting" not "coaching".
Does Leipold? No idea - don't know his background and don't really care since we're not hiring him now.
It's on AD Hobbs to find someone who fits the mold.
It's AD Hobbs job to fill the HC vacancy. I'm just providing the blueprint.
It's actually the opposite. the "Only Schiano" people wanted HC Ash to coach out the season.
All of the "Hobbs has no plan. Why did we fire Ash if he had no plan to replace him" people were upset because Schiano wasn't hired mid-season 2019.
They were saying if we're not going to hire Schiano then why fire Ash so early. They preferred keeping Ash for another 8 games.
